Skullsplitter
Sr Member
Actually, M Night Shamalan would be a nice touch, he knows how to write decent stories. But I dissagree with most idea's above... I mean, Doom had the right feel? Hell no!
AVP-R 2?
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Robillicus
New Member
No. There should be no more images of the homeworld. The writers should cater to our imaginations.
They might as well just adapt the original "Aliens Vs. Predator" comic series to the big screen. Hell, half the work has already been done for them! With the way things are nowadays, they're so ******* tight about everything they bitch out every chance they get. I'm not expecting anything spectacular since they've decided to give the Predator and Alien "B" movie status. I guess I missed that meeting.
In all actuality, though, just don't make the movie. My Grandfather used to say that if you're going to do something, do it right and to the best of your ability. Well, we all know you won't. You'll hire some new-to-the-scene director who will intern hire a bunch of "new" faces because this is the new Hollywood thing to do. But I'm bettin on it being that you don't have to pay them as much as a noteable, familiar face. Then you'll hire a composer who mixes everything in his basement. While this works in some situations, and sometimes the results are cool... this is ALIENS VERSUS PREDATOR... you ******* hire an orchestra to score the movie.
There will be no CGI in this movie. No.. none whatsoever. You will hire SWS and ADI to collaborate together on both the Alien and Predator creature designs. Enough said on that aspect.
Hire a team of writers and get them to collaborate with the Thomas brothers. Yeah, remember them? They kinda came up with the whole Predator creature. He's their baby.
This will be the very last confrontation between the Alien and Predator, so it better be goddamn good. You've had several oppurtunities to make this work, and you choose to spend less to try and get more while turning out a half-assed product.
*SIDENOTE*
I will hear nothing negative against Predator 2. A lot of you complain about how the Predator was taken out by Danny Glover. I don't remember a scene in the movie where Harrigan over powers the Predator, pins him to the ground and makes him scream for his momma. I do remember the Predator being way too arrogant and dramatic instead of just going for the killing blow. Harrigan saw an oppurtunity and went for it. This is the same ******* situation as the first Predator movie. Predator 2 is so above the last two movies that have come out.
MoviesColin
Well-Known Member
Finally, someone agrees with me.
So Fox has made the past two AVP movies for the young 15 year old fans who want carnage carnage carnage.
So how about Fox makes a movie for the older fans that's... how you say... INTELLIGENT.
1 predator. 1 alien. Predator is hunting the alien. Get a good story, a good setting, good characters, some emotional subplots for the characters, and a good action plot.
Silverado
New Member
Hey Man I agree with you 100%! Especially about Predator 2.
rocktuskpred
New Member
BOUNTY HAUNTER
New Member
Yeah, when you read some of these rather silly movie ideas that are posted by (mostly) younger fans, you can see why Fox has dumbed down the storytelling to cater to that demographic.
I also agree about Predator 2. I've always said that P2 is one of the most under-rated action films of 90's. I've often found it humorous that the directors of the AVP films always say they want to make this next one more like the "original" Predator or "Aliens". They completely shy away from P2 like it's a ******* child, and yet, ironically, a majority of what we see about the Predators and how they interact in the AVP films was lifted almost directly out of P2.
Certainly the temple-like spaceship interior of P2 was far more inspired than the generic spaceship interiors of AvP1 and 2.
But for the moment, let's take statements like this:
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"I think Stan Winston should direct this new movie and that we get somoone like m. night shaynaman (sp?) or Sam Rami to write it. I also think that SWS should do the special effects. Then, hire some good/KNOWN actors (someone like tom jane from the punisher would be cool). Think about it, that would be LEGIT!
get the general idea from the comic books, but lets step aside from whats already been written and go off in a new direction. If this were to happen, i guarentee that AVP 3 would be a success."
_______________________________________________________________________
Who can argue with that, right?
Well...Fox can. As far as they are concerned, AvP1 and 2 were both successes. Financially. And that's all that really matters to them.
Here's a reality check, kids: No A-list directors or A-list actors will ever agree to do an AVP film. EVER.
First off...they're just too expensive. I love these kids who type things like, "They need to get James Cameron to direct AvP3!!!!" *lol* Yeah, right. His salary requirements alone would probably have surpassed half of the budget for the entire production of AVP2. The same goes for A-list actors. Some of these guys are pulling down $20 million a picture, guys. AVP2 was rumored to have been produced for just around $40 million. For the ENTIRE movie. Actors, writers, sets, effects, post-production...everything. ADI continues to win the effects bidding war because they are willing to do the job for considerably less than SWS, or any other reputable effects house. It's simple dollars, guys.
So, really...what possible motivation is there for Fox to hire expensive people to make these movies when we're all paying to go see them anyway? They can crank one out for $40 million with unknown actors and directors and it still pulls in $200 million plus at the box office worldwide. That's a pretty nice profit margin.
That, my friends, constitutes a "successful" film to the studio.
As far as a "good" script goes...can you do better?
Sure, I can hear lots of kids screaming "hell, yeah!". Well...prove it. Take your script to Fox and get someone to read it. But frankly, I've never read a decent fan script. They're all pretty silly. "...and then, at the end of the movie...500 Predator ships show up and Predators start jumping out and killing hundreds of aliens in the streets, man! It's awesome!" Uh-huh. Yeah. That couldn't even be done for $100 million. (And frankly, stuff like that is just stupid.)
The fact is that the people who write these scripts are doing the best they can, but they have to operate within the constraints that the studio execs place on them. Shane Salerno couldn't write a scene with "500 Predators" if he wanted to. The studio dictates the budget, the overall depth of the locations, the number of characters...everything. It's all about money.
Now, granted...turning AVP:R into a teen survival flick would not have been my first choice. If you're going to have human characters operating between the title creatures, they were probably better off going with following more government agents (ala P2) as they attempted to once again capture the Predator and found themselves being stalked by these new Aliens. Something along those lines would have been somewhat more realistic and interesting than watching Dawson's Creek unfold between creature fights.
But whatever. They're obviously aiming these films at the teen demographic, so they probably reasoned out that it made more (monetary) sense to make it a teen slasher flick.
The bottom line is that this isn't about making art, guys. It's business. Sure, I'd love to see a Cameron/Scott/SWS combo dream team do a truly epic AVP film with truly moving characterizations...but that's just not ever going to happen. These are rubber monster movies. No academy award-winning actors are interested in participating in this kind of stuff. Even if the money WERE available. Ultimately, movies like this are nothing more than a vehicle for TV actors to break into film.
Lance Henrikson was the closest thing to an established actor that will ever appear in these films, and I was frankly surprised that he agreed to do it. I think he just did it for a nostalgic hoot. (That and the fact that Paul Anderson somehow begged Fox to pay Lance's salary to add legitimacy to the film...)
But! A smaller budget, unknown actors and new directors don't necessarily have to mean a bad film. Honestly...I enjoyed AVP:R, for the most part. I did. I thought the Brothers did a decent job of returning the Predator to his roots and at least attempted to shoot the Aliens the way Cameron did. The action sequences were fun, and really...what more can you expect from a film like this? Yeah, all the teen stuff was lame, but you know you're just going to chapter forward the DVD to the next creature fight anyway.
It's a business, guys. Nothing more. I suggest you just try to see these films for what they are and not expect so much.
I also agree about Predator 2. I've always said that P2 is one of the most under-rated action films of 90's. I've often found it humorous that the directors of the AVP films always say they want to make this next one more like the "original" Predator or "Aliens". They completely shy away from P2 like it's a ******* child, and yet, ironically, a majority of what we see about the Predators and how they interact in the AVP films was lifted almost directly out of P2.
Certainly the temple-like spaceship interior of P2 was far more inspired than the generic spaceship interiors of AvP1 and 2.
But for the moment, let's take statements like this:
______________________________________________________________________
"I think Stan Winston should direct this new movie and that we get somoone like m. night shaynaman (sp?) or Sam Rami to write it. I also think that SWS should do the special effects. Then, hire some good/KNOWN actors (someone like tom jane from the punisher would be cool). Think about it, that would be LEGIT!
get the general idea from the comic books, but lets step aside from whats already been written and go off in a new direction. If this were to happen, i guarentee that AVP 3 would be a success."
_______________________________________________________________________
Who can argue with that, right?
Well...Fox can. As far as they are concerned, AvP1 and 2 were both successes. Financially. And that's all that really matters to them.
Here's a reality check, kids: No A-list directors or A-list actors will ever agree to do an AVP film. EVER.
First off...they're just too expensive. I love these kids who type things like, "They need to get James Cameron to direct AvP3!!!!" *lol* Yeah, right. His salary requirements alone would probably have surpassed half of the budget for the entire production of AVP2. The same goes for A-list actors. Some of these guys are pulling down $20 million a picture, guys. AVP2 was rumored to have been produced for just around $40 million. For the ENTIRE movie. Actors, writers, sets, effects, post-production...everything. ADI continues to win the effects bidding war because they are willing to do the job for considerably less than SWS, or any other reputable effects house. It's simple dollars, guys.
So, really...what possible motivation is there for Fox to hire expensive people to make these movies when we're all paying to go see them anyway? They can crank one out for $40 million with unknown actors and directors and it still pulls in $200 million plus at the box office worldwide. That's a pretty nice profit margin.
That, my friends, constitutes a "successful" film to the studio.
As far as a "good" script goes...can you do better?
Sure, I can hear lots of kids screaming "hell, yeah!". Well...prove it. Take your script to Fox and get someone to read it. But frankly, I've never read a decent fan script. They're all pretty silly. "...and then, at the end of the movie...500 Predator ships show up and Predators start jumping out and killing hundreds of aliens in the streets, man! It's awesome!" Uh-huh. Yeah. That couldn't even be done for $100 million. (And frankly, stuff like that is just stupid.)
The fact is that the people who write these scripts are doing the best they can, but they have to operate within the constraints that the studio execs place on them. Shane Salerno couldn't write a scene with "500 Predators" if he wanted to. The studio dictates the budget, the overall depth of the locations, the number of characters...everything. It's all about money.
Now, granted...turning AVP:R into a teen survival flick would not have been my first choice. If you're going to have human characters operating between the title creatures, they were probably better off going with following more government agents (ala P2) as they attempted to once again capture the Predator and found themselves being stalked by these new Aliens. Something along those lines would have been somewhat more realistic and interesting than watching Dawson's Creek unfold between creature fights.
But whatever. They're obviously aiming these films at the teen demographic, so they probably reasoned out that it made more (monetary) sense to make it a teen slasher flick.
The bottom line is that this isn't about making art, guys. It's business. Sure, I'd love to see a Cameron/Scott/SWS combo dream team do a truly epic AVP film with truly moving characterizations...but that's just not ever going to happen. These are rubber monster movies. No academy award-winning actors are interested in participating in this kind of stuff. Even if the money WERE available. Ultimately, movies like this are nothing more than a vehicle for TV actors to break into film.
Lance Henrikson was the closest thing to an established actor that will ever appear in these films, and I was frankly surprised that he agreed to do it. I think he just did it for a nostalgic hoot. (That and the fact that Paul Anderson somehow begged Fox to pay Lance's salary to add legitimacy to the film...)
But! A smaller budget, unknown actors and new directors don't necessarily have to mean a bad film. Honestly...I enjoyed AVP:R, for the most part. I did. I thought the Brothers did a decent job of returning the Predator to his roots and at least attempted to shoot the Aliens the way Cameron did. The action sequences were fun, and really...what more can you expect from a film like this? Yeah, all the teen stuff was lame, but you know you're just going to chapter forward the DVD to the next creature fight anyway.
It's a business, guys. Nothing more. I suggest you just try to see these films for what they are and not expect so much.
youngnpred
New Member
I may be young, but, i have seen alot of films ALOT. I have a very extensive collection etc. When i said "success" i meant critically a success not financially. I am not so into the slsher carnage movies. Looking back at the first predator, sure there was blood, but it wasnt ridiculous as to have every scene filled with gushing blood everywhere! (movies like freddy vs jason, etc. it makes it too gory and many peopl just focus on the blood and violence factor rather than the strory. ) I personally did not care for either of the AVP movies, although the special effects were intersting, i did not like the story and the actors did horrible jobs.
Im not saying i have the answers, im just voting my opinions of what i would think would make a great movie. But everyone has their own tastes etc.
Im not saying i have the answers, im just voting my opinions of what i would think would make a great movie. But everyone has their own tastes etc.
youngnpred
New Member
well, doom did have a good fear factor involved, surely the strory was not that great, but then again known actors? the rock should stick to wrestling.
but you cant please everyone, i guess that is foxs mentality.
UltimateHunter
New Member
Yo, moviescolin or whatever, I am a 15 year old fan and am very intelligent with movies (if I say so myself). Did you mean new fans or something or just that all 15 year old fans are dumbasses. If thats what you meant keep in mind you were 15, 2 years ago bitch!
bitch!
Robillicus
New Member
Yo, moviescolin or whatever, I am a 15 year old fan and am very intelligent with movies (if I say so myself). Did you mean new fans or something or just that all 15 year old fans are dumbasses. If thats what you meant keep in mind you were 15, 2 years ago
Actually I think he meant that the movie was aimed at a younger audience, hence the PG-13 rating. I mean for ***** sake there were infants in the theatre when I went and saw it.
AVP broadened the audience to a lot of younger people, and ones that'd never seen the first two movies. Each group clashes about the character about whether the thinner, sleeker creature is better than the larger, more muscled version. That and story ideas.
I don't know for sure, but your last comment isn't helping your arguement any.
youngnpred
New Member
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"I think Stan Winston should direct this new movie and that we get somoone like m. night shaynaman (sp?) or Sam Rami to write it. I also think that SWS should do the special effects. Then, hire some good/KNOWN actors (someone like tom jane from the punisher would be cool). Think about it, that would be LEGIT!
get the general idea from the comic books, but lets step aside from whats already been written and go off in a new direction. If this were to happen, i guarentee that AVP 3 would be a success."
_______________________________________________________________________
Who can argue with that, right?
Well...Fox can. As far as they are concerned, AvP1 and 2 were both successes. Financially. And that's all that really matters to them.
Here's a reality check, kids: No A-list directors or A-list actors will ever agree to do an AVP film. EVER.
First off...they're just too expensive. I love these kids who type things like, "They need to get James Cameron to direct AvP3!!!!" *lol* Yeah, right. His salary requirements alone would probably have surpassed half of the budget for the entire production of AVP2. The same goes for A-list actors. Some of these guys are pulling down $20 million a picture, guys. AVP2 was rumored to have been produced for just around $40 million. For the ENTIRE movie. Actors, writers, sets, effects, post-production...everything. ADI continues to win the effects bidding war because they are willing to do the job for considerably less than SWS, or any other reputable effects house. It's simple dollars, guys.
Kids???? haha
thanks for the stroy time
~"us kids"
"I think Stan Winston should direct this new movie and that we get somoone like m. night shaynaman (sp?) or Sam Rami to write it. I also think that SWS should do the special effects. Then, hire some good/KNOWN actors (someone like tom jane from the punisher would be cool). Think about it, that would be LEGIT!
get the general idea from the comic books, but lets step aside from whats already been written and go off in a new direction. If this were to happen, i guarentee that AVP 3 would be a success."
_______________________________________________________________________
Who can argue with that, right?
Well...Fox can. As far as they are concerned, AvP1 and 2 were both successes. Financially. And that's all that really matters to them.
Here's a reality check, kids: No A-list directors or A-list actors will ever agree to do an AVP film. EVER.
First off...they're just too expensive. I love these kids who type things like, "They need to get James Cameron to direct AvP3!!!!" *lol* Yeah, right. His salary requirements alone would probably have surpassed half of the budget for the entire production of AVP2. The same goes for A-list actors. Some of these guys are pulling down $20 million a picture, guys. AVP2 was rumored to have been produced for just around $40 million. For the ENTIRE movie. Actors, writers, sets, effects, post-production...everything. ADI continues to win the effects bidding war because they are willing to do the job for considerably less than SWS, or any other reputable effects house. It's simple dollars, guys.
Kids???? haha
thanks for the stroy time
~"us kids"
inkmonster
New Member
DOOM was a good film for being based on a video game. And the Rock is a great actor a better actor than wrestler I would pay to see him in a Predator film. I dont know why everyone wants to see more of there homeland what makes a predator film good is there here killing off humans.
