ANOVOS issues (ANOVOS ONLY discussion)

[Spankuh]

The last update they gave on the First Order TK armor kits was September 20th. In it, they stated that manufacturing was going to start in a month and that they wanted to have all orders shipped out by Celebration 2019. That would be this April. I would think that if manufacturing had started they would have sent out an update with that info. There are now three months left in their Winter shipping schedule. Doesn't look good.

 

[Sean Hebein]

Man, it's not doxing to give the address of a public company...
I did a google search for the address of a company. It's not like I shared information that anyone else couldn't find. LOL

Cheers
Steve

The danger in what you are doing by posting that is we don't have any way to verify the information. The screenshot you posted looks like a residence. For all we know, the people that live there or work there have no idea who ANOVOS is. But, by you even suggesting and posting that information here, you can give people ideas and a very specific location. Anyone searching may be able to find that information that you posted but we shouldn't make it easier for people.

Wouldn't it be awful if someone was getting harassed that had absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

Even if someone that works for ANOVOS is at that location, do we really think that is their HQ? So you would be going to a residence and possibly involving their family in an unpleasant situation.

I get the frustration but this is a completely out of line way to get satisfaction.

FInally, ANOVOS isn't a public company, they are privately owned.

Sean

 

[JoeG]

Agreed with what Sean Hebein said. Posts reported.

 

[patrickivan]

edit----- I just recalled someone posted something on another page, and just checked and it's the same as what I just posted. Sorry- not trying to steal anyone's posts lol



Per the BBB

and 110 complaints filed.

6 resolved (with no details on some).

And about 90 unanswered....

Anovos Productions LLC | Complaints | Better Business Bureau® Profile

 

[patrickivan]

The danger in what you are doing by posting that is we don't have any way to verify the information. The screenshot you posted looks like a residence. For all we know, the people that live there or work there have no idea who ANOVOS is. But, by you even suggesting and posting that information here, you can give people ideas and a very specific location. Anyone searching may be able to find that information that you posted but we shouldn't make it easier for people.

Wouldn't it be awful if someone was getting harassed that had absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

Even if someone that works for ANOVOS is at that location, do we really think that is their HQ? So you would be going to a residence and possibly involving their family in an unpleasant situation.

I get the frustration but this is a completely out of line way to get satisfaction.

FInally, ANOVOS isn't a public company, they are privately owned.

Sean

Posting public information is not unethical.

Going to the residence outside of serving legal papers, that's would be unethical.

 

[Sean Hebein]

I think in this context, the ethics are questionable.

 

[AJK001]

There is nothing wrong with posting public information that is available to anyone that googles it and that others have already posted. What I find unethical and questionable is the way Anovos treats their customers.

 

[patrickivan]

Where's the malicious intent? Without that, there is no such dox in this box.

It's not like someone is suggesting anyone be hunted down for harm. THAT is unethical.

Wanting to get your money back and needing information on where they are to initiate a potential legal process? 100% fine.

You want to run a business that takes people's money, and not provide the services promised? Then you're fair game. Anything within the scope of the law, you're fair game.\

And to be clear, no one outside of those directly involved in running the business, should have their information made public. I dumped all over a 1:350 FB trek modeling page creator who SO desperately wanted his money back from someone, that he started posting the fellows wife and daughter's information. That's completely unethical, and I reported him for that. He had to remove it all.

 

[Jagjaguwar]

Eh. I think it’s pretty normal for businesses to keep their actual physical addresses somewhat unknown, no? I work for the government, and using PO Boxes as our public address is what we do. In our case it’s just safer.

Still waiting on the promised email update about Blue Leader...

 

[Pepperbone]

Still waiting on the promised email update about Blue Leader...

I'm gonna guess Summer/Fall 2019, which for me will mean refund.

 

[Pepperbone]

Not sure if this was brought up, but the next wave of Luke helmets retails at $550, instead of $350 when it was originally announced 9 months ago.

 

[oblagon]

Eh. I think it’s pretty normal for businesses to keep their actual physical addresses somewhat unknown, no? I work for the government, and using PO Boxes as our public address is what we do. In our case it’s just safer.

Still waiting on the promised email update about Blue Leader...

Really? lol. Look online; businesses are more than happy to post their address.
There's no comparison between a private company and governmental building.

 

[Jagjaguwar]

Should have clarified, doesn’t seem unusual for small businesses who likely have small physical presences to list PO Boxes or nothing at all. I also know that UPS offers business addresses that are essentially PO Boxes but look like real street addresses. Who knows if that’s what they’re doing, but it exists.

Or, if this is incorrect, I’d be happy to hear what the physical address for EFX Collectibles is.

 

[darthjones]

Yes, that house comes right up with a search of Anovos Simi Valley. I guess for tax purposes it could be rented/ purchased as part of the company. And it is very close to the PO Box that keeps coming up. But I agree with everyone here that there could be people living there who have no part of what is going on. No one should be going there to find out anything as the alternative pursuit of action through legal avenues will alert the right people at Anovos, take less time, have more of a binding effect, and will keep you from being arrested for harassment etc.

For instance, it also comes up as Nikki's Doggie Daycare. Something fishy with the computer returns.

Comes up too as Paloma Model and Talent.

Weird.

 

[Jagjaguwar]

As far as the Glass and Windows company, looks to me as though that business just so happens to exist near the “center” of Simi Valley, CA. If you try getting directions to the google search result, you’ll see that it’s just taking you to the city, not any specific address.

A search on google maps for just “Simi Valley” should yield the same result. *edit: must be a search for directions to there from wherever you are. Otherwise it doesn’t drop a “pin.”

The 7699QC+ part is a google “plus code,” not an actual address. Basically a coordinate system for use in google maps.

 

[Spankuh]

You mean request a refund. Actually receiving it seems to be a problem right now.

 

[Spankuh]

I emailed Anovos customer support this morning, asking for on update. I just got this in reply:



Hello,
As per the summer update the FOTK kits will be for sure finally shipping all out before celebration 2019 which in in April 2019 the teams will update you via email when they are headed to our warehouse and when they are shipping.

 

[oblagon]

I’d be happy to hear what the physical address for EFX Collectibles is.

I wouldn't use EFX as an example, they don't have the best reputation either. It says a lot when a company hides it's location by not listing it or lying; they don't want the ripped off customers coming to ask questions.

 

[mluder]

The danger in what you are doing by posting that is we don't have any way to verify the information. The screenshot you posted looks like a residence. For all we know, the people that live there or work there have no idea who ANOVOS is. But, by you even suggesting and posting that information here, you can give people ideas and a very specific location. Anyone searching may be able to find that information that you posted but we shouldn't make it easier for people.

Wouldn't it be awful if someone was getting harassed that had absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

Even if someone that works for ANOVOS is at that location, do we really think that is their HQ? So you would be going to a residence and possibly involving their family in an unpleasant situation.

I get the frustration but this is a completely out of line way to get satisfaction.

FInally, ANOVOS isn't a public company, they are privately owned.

Sean

"Public Company" and Publicly Traded Company" are two different things... 7-Eleven is a public company but privately owned. If you asked me for the address of their headquarters it is perfectly legal to share... Now if you asked me for the address of the owner's private residence that's a different story.

Many small (smart) businesses use PO boxes rather than their homes as the corporate address. In this case it may be that residence or that house may have nothing to do with it. The fact that so many businesses come back associated with that address suggests something tax or legal related going on. I recently saw a story on a news program about a house somewhere in London (I think) that's the address to several fairly large companies. It is done for tax purposes or so they can avoid certain fees associated with licensing etc.

Anyway... Point is, it's absolutely not doxing to share information readily available to anyone who looks for it through normal channels. There is no expectation of privacy when you publicly list an address or phone number, etc.

Cheers
Steve

 

[Jagjaguwar]

I wouldn't use EFX as an example, they don't have the best reputation either. It says a lot when a company hides it's location by not listing it or lying; they don't want the ripped off customers coming to ask questions.

It is an example though, as are any of the small-sounding businesses mentioned in this thread as showing up in searches for the supposed Anovos address. The fact is that not every business gives out such details, as I said initially.

It’s possible that the reason for this is something sinister, I suppose, but I personally don’t think that Anovos is in a position to do something that elaborate. It seems they’re having enough trouble with just producing and shipping product. My sense is that the reason any of these companies do this is to direct customers to better channels of communication. In Anovos’ case that’s email, live chat or the phone number they have listed on the website. We have no idea what sort of physical presence Anovos has in California, but it’s entirely possible that whatever physical address there may be is not somewhere where customer support people (as unhelpful as they can be at times) would even be able to respond to any letters or in-person visits. If that’s the case, I’m not sure what benefit there would be to having the actual street address available to customers. It makes sense to have a physical presence and a public address when you’re a business that people can actually purchase from directly, in person. But with these companies, I dunno. I’m not sure why it matters.

And no surprise, but no sign of the promised email with updates yet this week. Thinking I will be requesting a refund tomorrow.