Another Struss/Reel Images mod thread!

yeah, i have. it was very tempting, but we've got a lot of judges in my immediate area (8 and counting).

that's enough of us that it's proven much cheaper to do in-house runs of stuff for the relatively simple stuff. while the engineering on the neck roll isn't "simple" , the fabrication of the parts once they are all designed shouldn't be too hard.
 
I'm Waiting on my RI Vest, but as I read, I better get on my upgrades. Mesh upgrade? any source?

Thanks For your WIP it's very helpful !
 
I finally connected one of my new elbows. I made a black perforated leather armband, sized to the jacket and secured with velcro. The rubber pad is sewn to that, so I just have to slide it up the sleeve of the jacket, before the jacket goes on.







It's not perfect, but it is good enough to keep me happy!
 
Next up is the neck roll.

Here's an overview of my plan:

The core of the neck roll is going to be a molded piece of flexible foam. I cut a template out of upholstery foam so that I could try it on. Once I got the size and shape to a place I liked, I used the upholstery foam to make a template, and fabricated a rigid plastic one out of sintra.

The sintra roll will be molded. The first mold will be plaster of paris since it is cheap and fast. If that turns out to not be durable enough, I'll make one out of some sort of urethane or epoxy. Ultimately I want the mold to be rigid so that the expanding foam won't distort it.

Once the mold is made, I'll cast the core out of Smooth-on Flex Foam-it V. I picked this one because the density and expansion pressure both seemed appropriate to what I'm doing. It's a self-skinning foam that does not require baking.

The ridges are going to be sculpted and cast in rubber (Vytaflex 30 is the current plan). This will get glued to the flex-foam-it using a TBD adhesive that likes them both. Leather will be glued/sewn on to finish the thing up.

That's a lot of work for a collar!

Foam template:



Sintra version:



I have to give it a sanding then pour the plaster mold for it. Hopefully doing that tonight!
 
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I also switched away from using the Goldfinger Sovereign Gold. Even though it is widely believed to be the same stuff used in the film, it just doesn't look right in the sort of lighting conditions my suit will typically be seen in.

After experimenting with different colors, I settled on this:



Left is the Golden Bronze, right is the Goldfinger Sovereign Gold.

Since my lower eagle was painted with sovereign, I ended up replacing it after all. So now my chest and shoulders are all StudioCreations while the back remains RI.

I put the paint on heavy to smooth out the texture of the haircell ABS my shoulders are pulled from. It seems that Jeff is now using pinseal, but mine are a bit older. The weathering was then added in with black acrylic:

 
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Here I am, back again! This time with a new neck roll. It's not 100% accurate, but it's close enough for my taste and much much better than what I had.

First we have my collection of dowels, sanded, filled and trimmed. In order to meet a project checkpoint, this one was timeboxed to 2 hours (rather than doing it right, I did what I could in that period)



From there I made a big silicone mold (33" long), and cast one in Smooth-On VytaFlex 60, with a strip of old black t shirt embedded. Well, in reality I cast a few of them in varying thickness and materials until I landed on something I liked. The t shirt stuff worked great... the flanges (seam allowance) around the ribbed piece are super super thin now... just enough rubber to saturate the fabric.



Unfortunately my sewing machine was not up to the task of sewing this stuff to leather, so I had to do it by hand.



I sewed around all edges other than the inside bottom, turned it inside out, inserted the foam, then closed up the edge:



Here it is attached to the vest:



And a quick shot of Judge Selfie trying it on over his t shirt:

 
I've had a couple of people ask about how I made the rubber edging. Mine is not 100% accurate at all, but it's reasonably close and pretty easy to do. I didn't take many pictures, but I figured a write up would be somewhat helpful.

First, make a paper pattern of your neck roll. I did this by tracing the outside perimeter of my foam core. The lines will likely be messy from tracing around a curved object, but you can clean those up easily enough before you cut the template out.

Once you have your template cut, wrap it around your core again to make sure it still looks good. Ideally it should be pretty exact to the outside of the neck roll.
I decided that I liked the look of 1/4" dowels for the ribbing. Its up to you if you want to go bigger or smaller. Same with the top and bottom piping... I used 1/4 as well. I think if I was going to do it again I'd do 3/16" ribs and 1/4" piping.

I found that hardware stores don't seem to have dowels smaller than 1/4", but craft stores have them all the way down to 1/8"


Using the template, figure out how much dowel you will need. Mmmm, math! ( Dowels are cheap, so I just went with really high measurements and had leftovers )


  • Find the tallest part of your neck roll... right in the center back. Measure that and add 1/4".
  • Measure the length of your template and divide that by your dowel diameter. That's how many pieces you will need.
  • Dowels are generally 36" long, so divide 36 / the height of your sections to see how many sections you'll get from a dowel (round down)
  • Divide the "how many pieces number" by the "how many per dowel" number and you have a shopping list.

For example:

Say I have a 30" long pattern piece that's 1.5" tall in the middle. I'm going to use 1/4" dowels


  • My pattern pieces will be 1.75" tall (1.5 + 0.25)
  • I'll need 120 of those (30 / 0.25)
  • I'll get 20 per dowel (36 / 1.75)
  • I'll need 6 dowels (120 / 20 )

In addition, pick up 2 dowels for your piping (one each top and bottom)

OK, so now you've got dowels! What you do here is going to depend on the tools in your toolbox (or workshop really).

To cut the pieces, I used a PVC pipe cutter.

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It doesn't make the cleanest edges, but that's part of why I scaled my pieces up a bit, to allow for the rough edges. You could use any sort of saw you are happy with.

I used hot glue to attach the dowels to my pattern piece, being really careful to keep them straight and square with the bottom edge. Once the pieces were glued down, I ran it through a bandsaw to trim the wood down to match the size of the pattern, then used a belt sander to smooth out the edges.

I then took a hand sander and beveled the top and bottom edges of the dowels slightly, to simulate the look of ribbed leather wrapped around a curve. It's not a perfect match, but I think it looks better than squared off ends.

When it was all cleaned up and smooth, I glued it down to a piece of 1x4 wood I had in my garage. You want to make sure the board is flat... a twisted board will ultimately give you a twisted casting, and that's not good.

Putting the piping dowels on was a little awkward, but not too hard. I glued them to the board, starting at the center and working my way out to the edges. As the ribbed section curved, I bent the dowels in place and applied more glue. At the curves I used a couple of finish nails on the outside edge to let the hot glue set.

Once it was all shaped, I used some wood filler to smooth out all the gaps and ridges, then sealed it with a few coats of smooth-on's sealer product (I forget the name).

The last thing I did was make a small flange around the edge with some 0.080 styrene. In the castings this becomes the seam allowance to sew it to the leather.

I know a huge block of text like that isn't the easiest thing to follow, but it's better than nothing ;)
 
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Great minds think alike! I have a stack of dowels ready in my workshop because I intend to do the same thing....unless I can find some corregated cardboard (which I know I've seen) with one side exposed corregations. The collar I am currently using is heavy corduroy covered with puffy paint. I should mention something that both your collar and mine seem to have in common. My collar bumps the base of my helmet and makes it difficult to wear properly. When I met Karl Urban recently, it seemed that his neck might be a bit longer than average; maybe the other actors also. Either that or we are all making the collar a little too tall. I'd love to hear other people's
solutions , if any. I do have padding in the helmet crown, so that isn't it.???
 
My helmet actually sits a lot better now than with my old one. The bucket is inside the neck roll, not on top of it, so I can move my head pretty freely. My older, smaller one did just what you describe... if I moved my head at all, it would bump it.

That being said, I'm sure the screen used Dredd had a longer neck than mine... he's about 6" taller than me :)
 
My helmet actually sits a lot better now than with my old one. The bucket is inside the neck roll, not on top of it, so I can move my head pretty freely. My older, smaller one did just what you describe... if I moved my head at all, it would bump it.

That being said, I'm sure the screen used Dredd had a longer neck than mine... he's about 6" taller than me :)
Ah,that makes sense. Any idea on Urban's height? Unfortunately when I got his autograph he was seated.
 
The consensus is that Karl is definitely a legit 6'1", possibly 6'2". This comes from many, many sources, including a lot of people who have met him in person.

This is me wearing a hero Dredd suit from production that was tailored to fit Karl (my lucky day, I know). I'm about your size Brian, so the suit was definitely too big on me, but we hid most of the extra length by rolling the sleeves and legs, which are then hidden by the gloves and the boots.
I'm including the photo so you can see how Karl's production neck roll might look on someone your size. I think it looks just fine and I don't recall having any issues with it interfering with the helmet (I should mention that the helmet is production as well - a too large helmet will definitely cause issues when paired with a neck roll).

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You did a great job on your homemade neck roll by the way.
 
nice! the neck roll / helmet looks about like mine, so i should be good.

my helmet is me-scale, so that part's perfect. i did my best to tailor it to fit me like urban's helmet fit him... i've yet to see one of mine next to a screen cast one so i have no idea what that means for accuracy :)

i'm so close. i would have been able to suit up last night, but wasn't able to get my temp knee pads on. i'm using elastic straps on the knees and elbows to break them in a bit before i permanently connect them to anything. i want to be sure that i'm happy with what i've made before i commit like that :)
 
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