ANH Motorised stunt Saber experiments (& blades) Part 1

I think they pulled up shoulders so it's easier to tap & also not leave exposed threads. If you think about threads on a curve it engages a greater depth of threads but only for a segment. As I expect you found out, trying to start the tap is a pig & doing it in stainless is doubly so.

When my new stainless tube arrives I will probably only thread it & not try & take them onto the core as well. This means I can do the outer tube separately from the core & avoid many of the above problems, positioning excepted.
 
Right I'm about back to where was. I finally remembered how to put lines lengthwise on round bar, use some narrow angle 'iron' as a ruler. Unfortunately (been using that word a lot) it shows my wires hole is off a bit. As this thing is going to have to last longer than a few days filming I'll revert to plan A here & fit a grommet which means a bigger hole that I can straighten up.
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Gave the tube a brush up it in the lathe with some emery & it looks a lot better. With the light at the right (or wrong) angle I can just make out my patch - see red arrow.
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Drilled the new grub screw hole in the right (?) place. With the core/motor tight against the switch the pre-drilled grub screw hole in the core didn't match up & in the wrong direction, who'd have guessed. Shows the other time was just good fortune (?). I'd forgive you for thinking I'd never made anything in my workshop ever before.
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To fix this I rotated the core roughly 180 deg. (so the motor terminals still clear the switch) & drilled & tapped the core grub screw hole with the core (& switch) in situ - which sorted that one out*. (You can also see I've scribed a 18mm diam circle around the glass eye hole center with dividers which will - hopefully - tell me if things are going awry when putting that hole in.)
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*Well sort of - as now the grub screw was no longer lined up with the bearing housing groove, so I bored the bearing pocket deeper, which has had the small benefit of letting me see what that looks like compared to the promo photo.
Does anyone know if roller bearings were made with blued housings? if so this would, I think, match up well with that photo.

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Here's the other end showing the motor against the switch, I found out that it's very difficult to remove the switch with the motor in place like this.
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Next - glass eye... anyone have a fingers crossed emogee?
 
Not long now! It's going to be so satisfying getting that blade spinning the first time :) Looking great.
 
Having remembered I had a round bar center finder, & dug it out & was reminded why I never used it, it was a pos. At least 1mm out & on a wonky shaft. So I've spent some time chucking most it way and turning this -

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into this -

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These things aren't precision instruments, even when properly made, but I now have reasonable confidence I can get well within 2 /10th's of mm from center-line which should be a help as I've still several holes to do.
 
So how did I get on? Here's a test scribed line inside a couple of milled witness marks. I'm slightly out but less than 1/2mm but I'll come back to this.

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Lining up my center mark with a dead center (having used the center finder to set my cross slide) - then center drilled - 10mm end mill - 15mm end mill as tapping diam - then a little flattening with 18mm end mill to help start thread on a flat not a radius & finally tapped.

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Cleaned up threads having removed & replaced the core.

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Glass eye fitted.

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And level...

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Put in my drill press vice with datum lines level with the tops of the jaws & the 16mm tap in situ the error is clear.

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I'm not quite square on for that photo so the tap looks out more vertically than it is as well as rotationally. This is mainly a lateral error when I drilled & is, I think, a compound of not lining up my center finder properly (see below) & rotating the tube so as to use the dead center to 'spike' my center punch mark while the quill was free (drilling mode) & then tightening the mill vice, which I have discovered moves the tube slightly. Result being about 1mm off laterally & off slightly rotationally as this inside shot shows (also how far in the eye goes).

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The good news is I only found this out after serious scrutiny to see how well I did. None of this is really detectable by just looking so who's to say it wasn't this bad originally. So on I went on to the top red button...

Checking I determined my upper center punch mark was a little off so corrected it.

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Setting up with the center finder in the mill I noticed that if the tool/collet was rotated slightly it throws the reading off so this could have & probably was a contributory factor in my glass eye being off.

Here I 1st have the center finder arms touching the end of the vice so it is square on & set it to center of the mark then I move the slide longitudinally to give me room to rotate it slightly & when pressed onto the tube again it's clearly off but unless you know about it & align it in rotation by eye (as I did 1st time) you can end up being out without knowing it. As I said earlier these aren't precision alignment tools but do OK for this sort of thing.

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Having got everything as centered as I could tell I then set about putting in the shallow blind hole ready to tap just a couple of threads. I did this with the bearing in place so I could tell when I reached the bearing pocket (by hitting the hard bearing housing). This turned out not to be as good an idea as I hoped.
Sequence was center drill, 8mm drill, 10mm end mill, 1/2" slot mill, 16mm end mill, 18mm end mill to take down the top radius so I can start on a flat to tap. (not all shown here).

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Tapping didn't go well. Aluminium is so soft it's hard to tell when the tap is cutting & when it's just chewing.

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Once the bearing was removed I found I still have least another mm, poss. 2, before I reach the pocket. What I should have done was drill through into the pocket, without the bearing in place, with something like an 8mm drill so that I could judge fro this hole how far in I could take in the end mills and also start threading on the radius & then end mill the 18mm clearance flat thus removing any chewed bits down to good threads (which seem to happen at the start of tapping no matter what).

I can get the button to engage but only by about 1/10 of a turn which isn't enough for me. There's enough metal left for me to fix this if I'm careful by following what I should have done above but I will end up a little deeper seated than I was hoping for. But that's for another day.
 
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Hadn't stopped to think before but this is actually my 1st ever saber build. Still a few tweaks needed internally but I honestly couldn't be happier with it (there's no running around with arms waving emojee :( ). Hope to put fabric on a golf stick for it today.
Thanks for the comments.
 
Finally had time to sit down and read through all that (off work today) and holy cow. Before you started this, I always wondered how they situated everything inside, and basically I'm realizing its the thick walled metal housing for the motor/bearing/etc.

I also realized that the original prop did not work the red button down into the wall of the tube. You literally did this so professionally, all the parts fit together like a glove. In the old photos you can see the saber tube barely touches the threads. Weird right?

its kind of magical seeing it all together and turned on, it's a piece of movie history.

I get that sentiment about tapping aluminum though, it is really hard to tell.

Nice work!
 
Time to try & catch up a little on how I made this.

Top button - as I mentioned last time I was able to just catch the button thread into the mess I'd made & this pic shows, I think, that the depth is about right. There is a dark line at the base of the button on the real thing that looks very like what I had.
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What ever it wasn't a good attachment so I followed my revised method & centered up on the dimple that was still there at the bottom (I'd left the cross slide in position so that helped) cnterdrilled then followed completely through with an 8mm drill.
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Then took the tapping endmill down to nearly through , tapped then counter milled 18mm to just below the hole edge which now hides all the thread.
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I took the tapping mill a tad too deep & cut into the bearing pocket. This is because when material is unsupported like that the cutter pushes the material way rather than cut it so I didn't notice from the top. 2nd pic is after I've trimmed away this thin flashing removed the core removed & eveything deburred - the bearing is in place, The blue is marker pen I used to see if the button was hitting it when fitted (it isn't & engages about 1 full turn, tightens nicely.)
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Button sits nicely & looks very neat.
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Next was the bit I'd been looking forward to, cutting the angle. 1st I used my template (centered on the bottom datum kine) to mark on where the 'straight line' of the angle hits the tube edge. Then used the edge of a piece of paper to scribe a line between angle base & the other mark this is the minimum 'guide' I needed to remove. Holding the tube in profile, by eye, I drew on in pencil (then scribed) a straight line to give the 'actual' curved line to produce a straight bevel when viewed from the side (if that makes sense). This is the maximum 'guide' for material to remove.
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First cut on the cautious side, a little more yet to remove.
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Did this separately for each side then filed flat to the marks on the tube edge. Compared to the real thing.
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From my scaling for the plan & template I had gauged the curve to be about 3mm deep from the straight cut I'd just made (which is why I was careful in doing this) and more towards the base. Marked on this 3mm point with pencil then drew on the curve by eye with marker. Put this curve in with a 'dremel' & small heavy grit sanding drums as I thought this would give me greater control. Later determined a half round file would probably have been just as controlled & quicker. It gets through the sanding drums fast too.
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Another quick comparison, then some adjustment with that 1/2 round file. Holding in the vice with piece of old leather to prevent marking up the tube.
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Then some more comparisons. Getting there.
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Time to put on the radiused corner, marked on by eye with marker. Then another comparison - just a little shallow.
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Taken a little more off & I'm happy. Knowing when to stop is an ever progressing skill & it's always easier to take a little more off than put a little back on. I know - I've had to do it.
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As I said this was the bit I'd been looking forward as I felt it would be where it 'became' a saber & not just a tube. I wasn't quite prepared for how big a transformation that would be & it was at this point I just had to complete it as fast as I dare.
 
This is so cool. Love it! I don't know whether you saw, but there was a thin knurled button up on the junkyard recently? I think it sold, but I'll keep an eye out for any more.
 
Yeah I saw one somewhere but thought it was fleabay maybe there was one on each. If recall they want over £100. I'd rather make one than pay that much (& I am investicating doing just that ).
 
Though this would be a good point to update that template I did earlier. I've changed the layout a bit & tried to make it a little clearer as to where all the hole centers are. When I eventually got a decent print of it my printer (as always) prints so that when the circumference is right the length is a fraction long. If this happens to you I recommend going for correct circumference to give you a proper angle/bevel profile & then double check & adjust if nec's the hole distances from the ends of the tube.

For doing the T-track positions please ref to later posts.

Just so you know the bevel profile for both the straight & final angles are taken directly from the MK2 as a rubbing on to paper which was then cut & used to trace onto this template. Be cautious removing metal & check often as when filing, the side away from you usually throws a little burr that will obscure any drawn or scribed line.

To use the bevel profile I suggest that you cut the paper along the line & when the template is in position follow the cut edge with a scriber (do straight one 1st then when that angle is cut do the final).
 

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Right where was I?

Having seen how the core/sleeve looked in the tube I decided skim back the front off level with the front of the bearing, which I think was a good move.
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Next up was sorting that hole for the wires by enlarging it to take the grommet. I bought these to use on the MK1b as that's a stainless tube but also having to use here to compensate for a going wrong.
First up ascertaining how the needed hole edge positions. Then post dremelling with a diamondt grit bur ; with grommet then trimmed so as not interfer with the T-track.
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