Alien: Covenant (Prometheus Sequel)

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Meh. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Also true! :thumbsup

Ambiguity is one of the tools of the artist though, too many things to list. What about the ambiguity of the unreliable narrator? From Turn of the Screw through Catcher in the Rye though American Psycho.

Also, what you often find is that the subtext gives you the information that the plot explicitly does not. This can be frustrating to some, but the rewards of those films that make you work a little are often a lot greater. For me, Prometheus failed on the plot level for the most part, but the greater themes and subtexts more than made up for it.
 
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Ok, just throwing this out there. If the Space Jockeys created life on Earth, then there's nothing against the idea of them creating life on other worlds in the same manner, and see what evolution brings from their DNA. Perhaps this could be a thread in the follow up??

Maybe on another world they created Predators. Or even worse... EWOKS!!!
 
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I loved Prometheus, and would love to see a sequel, but I wish he would move over to making another Blade Runner right now instead.
 
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I think P2 is going to be a tough movie if they can ever get it off the ground at all. I loved Prometheus, and I loved the ending, but honestly, I feel like their story is done. I have a hard time imagining a satisfying continuation of Shaw's story. Do I want to see the Engineers planet? Yes. Do I want to know more of their story? Yes. Do I think ANYTHING won't be at least a little of a letdown? No.
 
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I think P2 is going to be a tough movie if they can ever get it off the ground at all. I loved Prometheus, and I loved the ending, but honestly, I feel like their story is done. I have a hard time imagining a satisfying continuation of Shaw's story. Do I want to see the Engineers planet? Yes. Do I want to know more of their story? Yes. Do I think ANYTHING won't be at least a little of a letdown? No.


I agree on all counts, Art. I would like to see an actual ALIEN prequel at this point.
 
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Although I emotionally want to lay all the blame for the films shortcoming, despite the fact I loved the film, on him, I think Ridley was likely all over the map with the creative process on this. He does drink a lot. :)
 
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^^^ Definitely all over the place. Maybe it was the pressure of making a "Sci-Fi Blockbuster" and he felt he had to out do everything preceding this movie, but aside from looking amazing it felt... off.

My first thought was "how can we [humans] have advanced so far technologically but still be so stupid." This is where you can start shooting holes in the story and characters left and right. Like the biologist afraid to stay at first, but then wanting to play with an alien snake. A geologist that gets lost even though he's the guy with the mapping tech. A scientific expedition that disregards all safety measures related to quarantine and contamination. A period of time where androids can run everything, but they still send crew of humans to a place without knowing the potential dangers.

The overall story (pick one... there were so many different arcs) was what exactly? Ever since Alien people have been wanting to know more about the "space jockey". I think I read somewhere that Scott really had no back story to it and never expected the demand for it to be hashed out. So that was really the whole point of making this movie was to explain a prop on the set. I think they could have accomplished this a lot simpler and still have had it be very entertaining.

I kind of feel like they're somehow retconning the way the xenomorph is always looking different in every movie... which is unnecessary.

One of the best things about this movie was Michael Fassbender's performance. I did like Charlise Theron (mostly because she's the hottest woman on the planet) and I thing Idris Elba is cool as hell. Beyond that... I'm glad everyone else was just red-shirt fodder.

I can't even begin to imagine what this next movie will be like.
Here's my awesome story idea:
Once the Prometheus went into collision mode it sent out a distress signal to Earth, specifically to Weyland Industries. The message Shaw sends out is also received that Weyland and Vickers are dead.
This sets the gears in motion for the merger Weyland Industries and Yutani Corporation (I'm pretty sure in the first Alien movie the company was Weyland-Yutani).
The new stockholders send a team consisting of two parts. The A team is a scientific team. They are sent to the planet to investigate the incident, collect data, technology and specimens, and return to Earth. The B team is a squad of prototype androids programmed for paramilitary operations on hostile worlds where humans can't effectively fight due to atmospheric conditions. Their job is to 1) protect the science team and 2) track Dr Shaw to her destination and conduct extraction/rescue operations. The science team collects multiple black goo urns, the remains of an engineer from the tunnels, and they find the remains of Vicker's liffeboat and take the large tentacle "face/bodyhugger as well as capture/contain and the xenomorph.

During this time Shaw has reached her destination and has met the passive/benevolent "engineers" from the first [cut] scene of Prometheus. While there she learns all about the nature of the black goo, the xenomorph and it's intended purpose.

The B team eventually tracks Shaw down to the engineer planet, gets into a small melee with some of militant engineers (proving they aren't Gods and can be killed by human's "creations"... kind of a Gods killing Gods message if you want to get all deep and philosophical... or just making for some cool alien on robot battle action) and eventually finds her and explains the operation. David has been more or less reconnected to his body (not exactly seemlessly, which might look pretty cool). While Shaw talks with the B team, David links up with B team's ship computer, and learns there is an A team that's on it's way back to Earth with samples that will eventually destroy the planet. They immediately depart in the engineer ship taken from the last movie to pursue them. This ship is faster than Earth/Human-built ships so it catches up with the A team right around the time it's near LV426.
David makes contact with the A team ship and finds out that the artificial biology of the androids is adequate to cause a form of "artificial evolution" as well as sustain gestation of the xenomorphs. During the elapsed time one of the androids was programmed to conduct tests on the others which yields the evolution of a (more consistent with the appearance we've seen in later movies) xenomorph egg laying queen. The Giger biomech appearance is actually the result of how an android would loo if turned inside out.
David is able to remotely take control of the the A team ship and docks with it in orbit over LV426.
The young queen enters the engineer ship and somehow causes it to crash. During the crash the A team ship comes disconnected from the engineer ship and burns up on re-entry. The oxygen/atmosphere is lost in the engineer ship and the only way Shaw can survive is to get into the space jockey suit (which is obviously too large for her but she can still close herself in it) and lock into the seated position we see in the first Alien movie. Once the ship settles the queen sets up camp and starts laying eggs in the navigation room of the engineer ship.

The last thing we see is David receiving a message from Weyland-Yutani ordering him to broadcast an "SOS" signal from the planet. The signal is sent and the monitor shows
"Distress vessel.... Message received.... USCSS Nostromo en route to location... Science Officer Ash"
 
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1.) That makes far too much sense, and therefore cannot be the sequel. :p

2.) I'd skip the Nostromo dashboard shot, and just have it broadcasting the SOS signal, with the Company not knowing precisely what became of the ship or the expedition. No communication back, or at most limited communication indicating the presence of effective bioweapons, the need for further study, and...transmission ends.


The goal being to plant the seed for the Company to be willing to reroute a ship if it ever finds the SOS beacon, because they have at least some inkling (but not a complete picture) of what the ship contains: bioweapons.



Although, honestly, I'd be just as pleased if we all just moved on and told different stories unrelated to LV426 or any of the events, creatures, and characters surrounding it.
 
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The engineers are the descendants of the Navi from Pandora. Now we can link Blade Runner, Aliens, and Avatar. lol
 
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My first thought was "how can we [humans] have advanced so far technologically but still be so stupid." This is where you can start shooting holes in the story and characters left and right. Like the biologist afraid to stay at first, but then wanting to play with an alien snake. A geologist that gets lost even though he's the guy with the mapping tech. A scientific expedition that disregards all safety measures related to quarantine and contamination. A period of time where androids can run everything, but they still send crew of humans to a place without knowing the potential dangers.

I blame the vast majority of these "issues" on editing. The cut scenes on the DVD answer most of these and other questions of seemingly stupid motivations. Why they cut them from the film I will never know. Just to create controversy? To purposefully inject confusion? It makes no sense to me, because the cut scenes flesh out a lot of the characters and at least for me, answer the question of why they did this and that much better. It doesn't make some of their decisions any less stupid, but at least you have a slight understanding of WHY they might have done this.

The overall story (pick one... there were so many different arcs) was what exactly? Ever since Alien people have been wanting to know more about the "space jockey". I think I read somewhere that Scott really had no back story to it and never expected the demand for it to be hashed out. So that was really the whole point of making this movie was to explain a prop on the set. I think they could have accomplished this a lot simpler and still have had it be very entertaining.

I agree that the Space Jockey had no back story, but I don't understand why so many people don't like the one that we have been given. To me, it is unexpected and goes in a direction that I wouldn't have guessed in a million years, and I really like that! Would it have really been entertaining to be told:

"So there was this elephant truck driver in space. His cargo got out and killed him. His space truck crashed."

BORING and predictable. Want something more interesting?

"So there was this elephant scientist in space. He made a monster and it killed him. His science ship crashed."

BORING!

Now, I don't think the direction of Prometheus was the ONLY direction, but it was vastly more interesting that the utterly predictable and banal story were aliens once again run amok that I was expecting. Instead we got a much deeper story that has amazing implications that actually reduces the alien to a small player in a much larger story and I love that. We have always seen the ALIEN as a big deal and this movie says "ehhh... not really." Again, maybe that is not what everyone wanted, but I love that.
 
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In my opinion, Ridley Scott's goal in a sequel to Prometheus wouldn't be to answer any questions, only to ask different, and more difficult questions.
 
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We have always seen the ALIEN as a big deal and this movie says "ehhh... not really." Again, maybe that is not what everyone wanted, but I love that.


The chief problem Prometheus has is attempting to tie itself up with Alien, whether it's thematic narrative, or quality of writing - the difference between the two is night and day.

The xeno itself was never interesting beyond Alien, just another dull boogeyman to cart out again and again. What *was* interesting was the Space Jockey, and the power of it lay in it's mystery. It spoke of something way outside our understanding, and the fact that we had never encountered them and they quite possibly had never encountered us suggests the human race should maybe keep quiet, hide under it's 'bedcover' and hope to never ever draw the attention of such horrors.

Some people don't know when to finish a painting, they keep coming back wanting to add more and more until what once looked good is lost. Alien was that finished painting, a masterpiece. What should have inspired brave, original storytelling has instead inspired grave robbing, quite literally when it comes to Prometheus. And this latest news that the film makers are in a right pickle not knowing where to go next shouldn't come as any surprise to those who thought the movie tripped badly with it's beginning, let alone the end.
 
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They choked on the biggest problem they had, which is how to make a story out of a completely unknowable, unrelatable alien, if it's not just a straight monster movie. What they did in Prometheus was fudge this, by humanising the Space Jockeys.
 
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