Lord Abaddon
Sr Member
Well it takes a thief to know a thief, but this is a definite vote against having someone like him back in.
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Well it takes a thief to know a thief, but this is a definite vote against having someone like him back in.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
The only thing I think of when people say "Bring Moogy back" is the last round of shenanigans we had with the last round of open registration and how many prior sock puppets he has had. Again, goes to discussing banned members.
exoray
Master Member
Maybe you should take your own advice and preach in the mirror "innocent until proven guilty"
The personal attacks, shooting the messenger, diverting the topis and double standards are everything I expect from several member here...
More deflecting, you sound like a broken record:lol If what he had was real and ultra accurate we wouldn't be at this point now would we.
There was plenty of proof, your endless photo comparisons show you were blind to it. Umm yeah its called recast a spare part laying around:rolleyes
So what, so did a lot of people, including me. Everyone thought at first he didn't know how to assemble them. And your nonsensical point is?
Again, like others have said, he didn't need any help, he hung himself, deal with it. Since you claim to have followed from the beginning you should have remembered everyone questioning his sanity for being so open. When you don't have clue you shouldn't make false accusations.
Again with the drama and the false accusations:rolleyes How exactly do I support TE, because I complained about a crappy inaccurate helmet I paid $800 for?:lol
Drama alert again:wacko With you leading the way I am sure it will be just fine...not.
Again since you don't see the point, we aren't in a court room, so I don't have to give anyone the benefit of the doubt nor do I have to consider them innocent untill proven guilty, especially when I know they ripped me off. Maybe you should take your own advice and find another thread.
exoray
Master Member
Yes, the trial is over, all that is left is judgment and that should be shortly...
Out of your entire post of horse puckey, this was the only grain of truth. Unfortunately for you and your repaint of history aside, you were never in the middle. Nor were you simply a seeker of truth. You were the #1 leader of the Pro AA camp. You pushed and cheered and rallied for him at even the slightest whisper of an AA thread. So delude yourself, muddy the issue, get naked, drunk and dance away your sorrow beneath the silvery moon. In the morning you will still be as radically and irrationally pro AA as those you crucify for being Anti.
As for your comment about Moog, you are no better informed or enlightened on that subject than your defense of AA apears to have been.
Lord Abaddon
Sr Member
He has a record and admitted to the crime. He even joked about it here and on other forums. How about the terms "double standard" and "hypocrite" when you vilify and attack AA and his supporters before the man has even been convicted, but yet support and back someone who's got a criminal record, has lied and deceived people, and sock puppeted to the RPF countless times. You better look in your own mirror of integrity.
Darbycrash
Well-Known Member
Innocent until proven guilty.
Benefit of the doubt.
Etc.
What was mind blowing to the other side was how quickly he was vilified on every little thing possible nearly from the beginning. Several people stated from the get go he was not and did not know anything about the prop community and that maybe the MR stand was brought to him to use. Without the plaque, who would know if they didn't know what MR was?
Not all of us can be the all knowing, all seeing Carnac the Magnificent like you Ben.
Oh please you argued about that MR stand for the longest time. When it was clearly a recast. Then the false advertising campaign about the original molds after he admitted to reworking them. And lets not forget about the discount helmet you got Mike. I am sure that didn't impact your opinion.
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Lord Abaddon
Sr Member
Ah no. What I said and have always said from the very first day was that he should be given a chance. But the pitchforks and noose people wanted blood from not just AA, which would have been one thing, but attacked, slandered and insulted anyone even coming close to giving him the benefit of the doubt. And from the start too I said that we should wait for the court to decide, to see what comes out over time, to learn the truth. Unlike the anti-AA crowd I was willing to accept if he was found to be a liar and have. I've admitted I was wrong about him from what has come out of the trial...FACTS...not the personal bias, supposition, guessing and armchair expert opinions.
As for Moogy, sorry, but he said himself in this forum that he was convicted, that he admitted it, he laughed about it. He made insulting personal attacks upon members, he made comments that were WAY beyond the general cracks made in these threads. Once banned he tried to sock puppet his way in, played games with the staff.
The hypocrisy is outstanding.
Lord Abaddon
Sr Member
You know Ben you've brought up that lie about the discount helmet before and I've refuted it before, even showing my original quote which showed I never got any discount. You're not doing yourself any favors in doing it yet again.
As for the rest, I gave my explanations of what I thought at the time about the stand, and myself and many others agreed that his amending how he made the helmets was nothing new in business advertising (or should I bring up how the licensed makers claim their stuff is "from the originals...").
exoray
Master Member
Lord Abaddon
Sr Member
Does he or does he not have a conviction on his record?
tk1780
Well-Known Member
Hey Guys, I did not read through the last 20 pages but something that caught my attention I would like to have cleared up. Sorry, please note I am not brining this up to beat a dead horse or be stupid or tick anyone off ect, just to clarify.
Am I to understand that AA recasted fan made parts for his own suits ??? I knew the part about the MR stand but am I reading that right ?
Again not sure if I caught that right was it GF ie Felano armor ??? Again not sure if I caught that. More so he actually admited, in court , to doing this ????
As I said about 20 pages back, we were not done with the shocks, not a shock he lost but if this is now part of what went on than like wow ......unsure
Could somone please clarify all the " What the hell he did do and admited to doing " parts . Again thanks and please not trying to ruffle feathers.
Am I to understand that AA recasted fan made parts for his own suits ??? I knew the part about the MR stand but am I reading that right ?
Again not sure if I caught that right was it GF ie Felano armor ??? Again not sure if I caught that. More so he actually admited, in court , to doing this ????
As I said about 20 pages back, we were not done with the shocks, not a shock he lost but if this is now part of what went on than like wow ......
unsureCould somone please clarify all the " What the hell he did do and admited to doing " parts . Again thanks and please not trying to ruffle feathers.
exoray
Master Member
You are the one that clearly called him a thief, certainly before you committed potential libel you had your facts inline...
motivealloy
Well-Known Member
It will be interesting to see what the high courts final ruling will be.
Lord Abaddon
Sr Member
Oh I already know what he plead to, matter of public record and all that, I just want you to say it. But of course you dodge it and throw a threat in with it. Nothing new there.
But enough. Old habits die hard and the same group that always pulls a pile on started again, had to defend one of their own, and old instincts kicked in.
I apologize to the mods and others for contributing to the derailment of the thread.
Back on topic (and to hopefully hear a final verdict) which was and is AA vs LFL and the soon to be final verdict and then court documents (which should be revealing).
franz bolo
Sr Member
Why do people always mention the moogy guy? Did he get banned over Andrew Ainsworth? Did he recast one of the helmets?
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Darbycrash
Well-Known Member
umm lie you happen to say it in this thread right here below or to quote you:
"As to how I paid less the retail? Maybe if some of you detractors who never had one single iota of contact with the man did talk to him you might find out just how he is...but of course he's the devil and you won't talk to the devil."
Oh and here is the exact thread that came from so who is the liar now. So you pretty much insinuate you talked to him and got a deal on a helmet.
