AA case begins

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Normally I would agree, but a certain banned member just happens to be directly related to the discussion of the trial.

True, GINO, but he was not called to testify, so in the finality of the case, bringing him up is really irrelevant. It only serves to give the Pro-AA crowd something else to rail against. I don't know the banned member, never exchanged a word with him, so in my opinion, I wouldn't know about him if people would not have brought him up here.

Again, was he directly involved in the UK trial, which this thread is about?

 

[defstartrooper]

I hate to say it, but ALL of the posts regarding banned members need to go. This thread is NOT about them. I have been very magnanimous about the whole crow thing, but right now, it seems like the Pro-AA crowd is trying to turn this around to focus on issues that do not apply to the thread. Again, it's about the AA case, his attempted theft of credit for work he did not do, and the outcome of the case, which we should know about soon.

TE had no problem being associated with this whole affair when it suited him and like it or not he was involved in it all, approaching AA about producing helmets and an attempted deal, giving information to LFL regarding the matter and of course his outing of AA through every means possible due to his community spirit no doubt.
And that's not a pro AA thing either or even an anti TE thing it's the truth.
Yes the threads about the AA case and TE had a role in that case so i don't see how discussing that is off topic.
And lets not forget that TE is only on the banned members list here at his own request.

It's now been shown that AA is a liar and thief and i for one am happy to finally find out the truth rather than stories and opinions.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

TE had no problem being associated with this whole affair when it suited him and like it or not he was involved in it all, approaching AA about producing helmets and an attempted deal, giving information to LFL regarding the matter and of course his outing of AA through every means possible due to his community spirit no doubt.
And that's not a pro AA thing either or even an anti TE thing it's the truth.
Yes the threads about the AA case and TE had a role in that case so i don't see how discussing that is off topic.
And lets not forget that TE is only on the banned members list here at his own request.

It's now been shown that AA is a liar and thief and i for one am happy to finally find out the truth rather than stories and opinions.

Just to play rule monger, it doesn't matter why a member is banned, discussing that banned member is verbotten. His testimony did not play a role in the UK case.

 

[rollerboi]

No, they were looking for something to incriminate AA, anything. And they found it and took it to LFL. So we can all be thankful for their foresight and contribution to the hobby. I think I'll do the same for the TK helmets makers here.

I'm really hoping I am misunderstanding something here. :/

 

[Art Andrews]

I'm really hoping I am misunderstanding something here. :/

We'll be glad to post 10,000 comparison pics if that would help clear up the misunderstanding... lol:lol Sorry... sorry... there I go creating a FRAMEWORK to derail the thread again...

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I'm really hoping I am misunderstanding something here. :/

I may be reading it wrong too, and I hope I am. It READS like SL is ready to toss some members under the LFL bus.

 

[lingarn]

I may be reading it wrong too, and I hope I am. It READS like SL is ready to toss some members under the LFL bus.

Eh, I think he's just making a point, which I will attempt to paraphrase below:

Trying to defend the altruistic intentions of people who throw a prop maker into the lion's den (deserved or not) means that someone else doing similar must also have altruistic intentions, right? I mean, if it was all for the best that AA was brought down, then surely it'd be okay for the same standard to be applied to everyone else making inaccurate helmets?

PLEASE do NOT associate me with these comments. This is an interpretation of SL's post. I see sarcasm, not malicious intent.

 

[Lord Abaddon]

Eh, I think he's just making a point, which I will attempt to paraphrase below:

Trying to defend the altruistic intentions of people who throw a prop maker into the lion's den (deserved or not) means that someone else doing similar must also have altruistic intentions, right? I mean, if it was all for the best that AA was brought down, then surely it'd be okay for the same standard to be applied to everyone else making inaccurate helmets?

PLEASE do NOT associate me with these comments. This is an interpretation of SL's post. I see sarcasm, not malicious intent.

That's how I'm reading it too, I think he was trying to make a point that it's hypocritical to apply standards to one TK maker and not the rest. Yes, AA flaunted it but some of the others aren't exactly quiet about it.

 

[ArtisanProps]

I may be reading it wrong too, and I hope I am. It READS like SL is ready to toss some members under the LFL bus.

I don't think Your reading this wrong!
Wow that Sithlord statement sounds like a threat Even all the Slanderous
remarks about specific people throwing AA under the Bus needs to be backed up IMO. because according to the transcripts I read, Lucas gave AA every chance
in the world to "Cease and Desist", but all AA did was Ignore the warnings.
The Reason He's in Court is his fault and his alone..........

 

[defstartrooper]

I don't think Your reading this wrong!
Wow that Sithlord statement sounds like a threat Even all the Slanderous
remarks about people throwing AA under the Bus needs to be backed up IMO. because according to the transcripts I read, Lucas gave AA every chance
in the world to "Cease and Desist", but all AA did was Ignore the warnings.
The Reason He's in Court is his fault and his alone..........

I'd say it's his fault but not his alone.

 

[ArtisanProps]

I'd say it's his fault but not his alone.

Really? Hmmm.... I'm surprised You would say that....

He could have decided at any point that what he was doing was wrong and
stoped. Especially when LFL sent him a "Cease and Desist", But his arrogance
is what got him thinking he could profit from "IP Theft", also his arrogance that
made him ignore the warnings, and alas his arrogance that landed him in court..
Unless someone else is pulling his strings, I would have to say it is his fault alone..

If someone Blew the whistle on him and he was directly brought to court without
any warnings I would agree with you

 

[AnsonJames]

Thomas wasn't making any threats, he was trying to make a point.

AA did however manage to traverse sh1t creek quite a distance without a paddle on his own steam.

Other people have helped to put a few nails in his coffin - however AA deserves what is coming to him...

 

[defstartrooper]

Really? Hmmm.... I'm surprised You would say that....

He could have decided at any point that what he was doing was wrong and
stoped. Especially when LFL sent him a "Cease and Desist", But his arrogance
is what got him thinking he could profit from "IP Theft", also his arrogance that
made him ignore the warnings, and alas his arrogance that landed him in court..
Unless someone else is pulling his strings, I would have to say it is his fault alone..

If someone Blew the whistle on him and he was directly brought to court without
any warnings I would agree with you

There wouldn't have been any SDS replicas to begin with if it were not not for others involvement.
And yes all of that above is his fault.

 

[SithLord]

Ethics? Who lied to the public from the get go? (The same lies told to TE and Gino) Who changed their website to cover up those lies? Who recast MR's stand? Who recast GF's armor? Who made up all these stories and stole a dead persons prop legacy? Who was stupid enough to think he could thumb his nose at LFL? It was all Andrew Ainsworth who thought 30 years had gone by and no one would remember or care about the facts.
He thought he could fabricate whatever story and wares he wanted and get away with it.
He's a POS re-caster, thief, and liar at best and LFL took him down. How can anyone defend that?

I'm not defending AA, I'm against the principles of the anti-SDS group and how they attack others...long before there was any evidence. So the only difference is that AA had a website? :rolleyes I've already said that I am disappointed in AA and he lied to me as much as everyone else. But we need to look at ourselves as a replica prop community. We went to MR. We took him down, not LFL. And all for the sake of competition. That's what I am talking about. It has nothing to do with supporting what AA did. AA got himself into this, but he didn't do it all by himself. We cheered him on at the beginning when the first prototypes came out and never did the soul-searching about whether it's right for him to have a website or not that we have done since the complaint. This is about the RPF and about our own conduct, not about AA. I don't question what AA did, nor do I defend it. What I have done is question this hobby and those who try to control or manipulate what is available. I looked at the replicas he made and tried to understand them as much as the next collector. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and I was misled. So if anyone wishes to judge me harshly for that then go right ahead. This is just a discussion forum about replica props.

 

[AnsonJames]

Lets be honest, Ainsworth saw massive Dollar signs after he sold his prototypes, no one coerced him to produce the helmets or make the claims he did.

He did it all on his own as well as ignoring a cease and desist from one of the biggest companies in Hollywood.

 

[Art Andrews]

We went to MR. We took him down, not LFL. And all for the sake of competition.

Please expound on these points and provide some evidence to back them up.

 

[SithLord]

A lot of of us have been taken to the cleaners by really nice blokes and by sticking up for them. I think AA Charisma was fueled by something pretty dark. Its amazing the amount of vitriol that can be generated by plastic. Some of it, as in this case, is well deserved. Trooper armor has always seemed to bring out the best and worst in folks. This hobby suffers and falls prey to greed and ego and dishonesty in the search to have 'the best'. There are some bright spots to be sure but as long as there are those that think they can profit excessively from this hobby then lies will be told and secrets kept.

I've been taken to the cleaners and couldn't agree more.

 

[KevVader]

The sky is falling. lol!

Yup....dogs & cats living together. Oh, the insanity!:lol
In another week we'll be on to something else...I say let it die, case closed.

 

[ArtisanProps]

Lets be honest, Ainsworth saw massive Dollar signs after he sold his prototypes, no one coerced him to produce the helmets or make the claims he did.

He did it all on his own as well as ignoring a cease and desist from one of the biggest companies in Hollywood.

YEAH!! What He said....

 

[SithLord]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SithLord
No, they were looking for something to incriminate AA, anything. And they found it and took it to LFL. So we can all be thankful for their foresight and contribution to the hobby. I think I'll do the same for the TK helmets makers here.

I'm really hoping I am misunderstanding something here. :/

You are. It's rhetorical and I don't mean it literally. It's like well if they are going to rat on a replica helmet maker and play holier than thou then any of us would be justified in doing that. I was being facetious.