And more to the point, Ripley was on the clock and didn't have time to get into a fight with the ALIEN. It was shuttle or shut off the self destruct.
A detail about Alien... Has anyone else noticed this?
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And more to the point, Ripley was on the clock and didn't have time to get into a fight with the ALIEN. It was shuttle or shut off the self destruct.
GlazyUK
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And yet with all that acid in it's body it couldn't eat through the cable of the harpoon Ripley shoots into it !! As somebody pointed out to me, besides the Facehugger there's no evidence in Alien that the full sized Alien does have acid for blood, it's Cameron's sequel that expands on that idea, not Ridley Scott !!!
Grey
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Perhaps this is what you're refrencing, but there was a scene that was partially filmed where they drive the Alien into an airlock and Ash triggers an alarm that scares it off, allowing the alien to escape. I think it's safe to say he was deliberately misleading them from the start but the bit about fire is just a common assumption, one that I think any of the other characters could've come up with had he not offered it.
So... we're in agreement? Did I not say that Cameron didn't even touch the Space Jockeys when it came to ALIENS?
Also, the argument in saying that the scene was cut doesn't do anything in this case since the scene was re-integrated into the Special Edition cut. A cut of the film that is the preferred version of both James Cameron, Sigourney Weaver and pretty much anyone who chooses to follow up in the ALIEN franchise as a whole. Now that's not meant to be an argument over which version is better, but it's hard to argue the merits of saying the scene "was cut" when a lot of the multi-media depictions of the franchise continue to build directly from it's unique elements.
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Well, you're free to believe what you want regarding if the alien had acid blood or not, but the film 'does' expand on it. The entire crew are trying to get rid of the alien without damaging it because they don't want it to bleed. Remember the cattle prod scene?
Brett: "Shouldn't damage the little bast**** unless its skin is thinner than ours, but it will give him a little incentive.
THAT is expanding on the use of the creature's acid blood since it totally shaped how the crew must deal with it. They are not trying to damage it because they don't want it to bleed.
Grey
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There's actually more evidence than that. In the previously mentioned airlock scene, Ash scares off the Alien using an alarm which causes the ship to automatically seal the door, chopping off one of its arms which sprays acid everywhere and causes the airlock to decompress. Ripley seals the emergency bulkhead but the loss of pressue is why she has a nosebleed in the next scene.
There's a photo floating around of the Alien missing an arm, and the first half of that sequence exists as a deleted scene from the Laserdisc.
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you can see that image as well as a lot more about the deleted scenes they discuss the Alien here.
http://www.alienlegend.com/Alien-Movies/Alien/DeletedScenes/index.htm
Grey
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There it is. :thumbsup
I've been playing the video game Alien: Isolation. I can honestly tell you - YES, the Alien does NOT like fire whether it be from the flame thrower or a gas tank exploding! However, fired at close range the Alien isn't affected and will happily apply some aloe after killing you.
YES, I know I know... I mentioned a video game which I'm sure doesn't even count? But it does take place 15 years AFTER the original Alien? Yes? No?
LOL That has happened to me several times! 14 vents and it bashes into you! Note to those playing for the first time - DO NOT flame the Alien while hiding under a table or gurney... NOT GOOD!
Didn't steam work on the alien when Ripley flushed it out onboard the Narcissus? Since fire is worse than steam (Fire uses the surface for fuel where steam is just hot water), I'd say it's a safe conclusion that fire would be pretty nasty to the alien.
Also from that alienlegend website that Bryancd linked previously,
Again, the discussion may be in a deleted scene, but it's still the basis for all their planning.
Also from that alienlegend website that Bryancd linked previously,
Again, the discussion may be in a deleted scene, but it's still the basis for all their planning.
CB2001
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Well, we don't know if its hot steam or if its something else. For all we know, it could be the air filtration system's coolant and the coolant may actually sting due to the chemicals it may be composed of.
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It was steam. It was clearly meant to be steam. If it was chemicals Ripley would have been just as screwed. It was steam. It was the heat that sorung it out from hiding. The Alien had acid for blood and the flamethrowers would have been effective somewhat in deterring the Alien.
CB2001
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If it was steam then why the hell would there be controls for stream release into a spacecraft? It'd make more sense to have steam venting out into space than into the main compartment. That'd be like having the option of blowing hot steam into the cab of you car. Even more so, why would there be steam in any space craft? It makes more sense for it to be the air system. And if I'm wrong about the chemicals (which could have been sucked out with the opening of the airlock to flush the alien out), there's a good chance that it's probably cold as hell (much like what happens when you take a can of compressed air and you spray it for a long time to the point where condensation and frost forms on it).
Again, how would any one know for certain in the first film when it was never really confirmed in the film? What if there had been no followups, or video games, and it was just the first film by itself... How would you know for certain that flamethrowers would have done anything against it when we never get a clear view of it doing so?
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Now you're just being ridiculous. At some point you just have to accept the narrative of the film and make some basic assumptions.
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i have the novel at home! I have think the ending plays out differently in the novel.
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i have the novel at home! I have think the ending plays out differently in the novel.
CB2001
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Now you're just being ridiculous.
You accept that its steam being vented into a spacecraft. I accept that it might be steam or air filtration system and/or coolant. Let's leave it at that.
I too have the novel at home, as well as the novel for Aliens. I think my Dad may also have a copy of the Alien novelization. May have to check and see if the ending is different or the same.
As I recall the Alien surprises Ripley and she jumps in the closet. It's walking around playing with the cat in the box or something.
a casual walk through of the Nostromo looks pretty steamy to me! There's steam all over the ship in the film, like when Ripley is arguing with Parker and Brett in engineering.
a casual walk through of the Nostromo looks pretty steamy to me! There's steam all over the ship in the film, like when Ripley is arguing with Parker and Brett in engineering.
CB2001
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Couldn't find my Dad's copy here.
Or it's the air filtration system letting out cool air (because if it was steam, as you suggested, then Brett, Parker and Ripley would be screaming in pain from standing in the middle of hot scolding water vapor, much like how the alien reacted in the shuttle as you suggested). I'm just saying the possibility is there that it's cool air and not hot steam.
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