A couple of thoughts about the "Predator" films... (SPOILER WARNING)

CB2001

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There is a good chance that the following post may spoil the films in the Predator series for those who have not seen it. This spoiler warning is for you. If you haven't seen it, then do not read this post.

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After seeing Predators again, there were a couple of thoughts that popped into my head about the franchise and items/people in them. Maybe I can get others thoughts about this.

The first thing that popped into my head was the fact that, as far as I am aware (unless someone can tell me otherwise), we have not seen a female Predator, which was strikingly odd to me. I mean, when it came to the Xenomorphs in Alien films, we've seen what is basically the female of the species (with the Queen in Aliens) and what someone could sort of call the "male" of the species, I don't know if it counts or not, but the Facehuggers obviously seem like they're the closest you can get to a male in the entire Alien's lifespan). But when it comes to the Predators in the Predator films, we have never encountered one that seemed to indicate that it was the female of the species. I thought maybe someone would have already addressed this, so I went online. I found a forum post where someone also appeared to have the same type of curiosity and fans were arguing against having a female Predator that was noticeably female. Someone pointed out the fact that most fan drawings have the attributes of Earth females, basically shapely hips and, obviously, breasts, stating that the Predators were reptiles and that they wouldn't have breasts. I thought the whole argument was completely ridiculous, but after reading some more, I found out that one of the Predator's Expanded Universe stories laid out that there were female Predators in the society, and that not only did they have breasts like human females, but that they were actually much larger than the males (and, apparently, the society was Queen-ran, but I could have misread that).

Now, to me, I would think that if you were going to do a female Predator, there'd had to be some way to show the difference between them, and that leaves you with limited choices. Since most of the Predators in Predators were larger than the original Predator (as we see with the one that was tied up in the film), that pretty much rules out the idea of the females would be bigger than the males (unless someone, somewhere, in another movie is going to explain the three we see in Predators were actually females all along). The only other options I could see are these: 1. the obvious feminizing the Predator's design (which I'm sure a lot of people would disagree with). 2. Have a specific color palette that only applies to the female Predators (sort of similar to peacocks in real life, how the females are just brown and white while the males are the more colorful ones, you know what I mean?). 3. Make the females somehow faster, stronger, more agile and possibly more deadly than the males (to go with the old saying, of course). Frankly, I don't mind the first option, as I've seen a lot of sketches, models, custom action figuress and even some female cosplayers as female versions of the Predator that seem to show that such a design is possible (though most of the art I've seen has been more fan-service than legit designs). Just as long as they don't go completely overboard with it, I don't see how it could be a problem.

Now, onto my second thought, which is something I'm sure a lot of us have an opinion on. And that is the issue with the whole "mud as camo" thing. Now, I know the Mythbusters have proven that you cannot mask your body's heat with mud, no matter how thick you put it on. But, after doing some thinking, I think I know how the mud works as camo (and it's not about masking heat, either) against the Predators. I could very well be wrong about this, but could it be possible that the mud was actually interfering with the Predator's technology to read body heat, not covering up for the heat itself? I mean, mud is wet dirt. Dirt is composed of minerals. Could it be possible that the mineral composition of the dirt somehow interferes with the technology for it to read body temperature, not that mud cools the skin and thus not making your body heat register with the Predator's tech? I'd like to know what you guys think about that.

I know these two things seem silly to think about, but like I said, they're a couple of thoughts that just came to me after watching the movie again recently. What do you guys think about these two topics?
 
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I'm pretty certain if you look at the end of Predator 2, on the ship, you can see that one of them looks female.
 
There's a novel adaptation of the original Alien vs Predator comic series that touches on females, since a lot of the story is actually told from the perspective of one of the Predators. It mentions specifically that not only are females bigger than males, they're a LOT bigger. Not just the size difference we saw in the third film between the different races. The character muses that it's not uncommon to come away from a vigorous coupling with broken bones after having been thrown around the room a few times. The character is also surprised to find that the human he's with is female. He figures it out late in the story because of her breasts, which implies that Predator females are similar to humans in that regard.

That book's a really good read if you're curious about their society, since so much of the story is told from his perspective. Kudos to the author (Steve Perry) for coming up with all those details that were never even in the original comic.

And yes, it's worlds better than the films. No relation other than the name.
 
There's a novel adaptation of the original Alien vs Predator comic series that touches on females, since a lot of the story is actually told from the perspective of one of the Predators. It mentions specifically that not only are females bigger than males, they're a LOT bigger. Not just the size difference we saw in the third film between the different races. The character muses that it's not uncommon to come away from a vigorous coupling with broken bones after having been thrown around the room a few times. The character is also surprised to find that the human he's with is female. He figures it out late in the story because of her breasts, which implies that Predator females are similar to humans in that regard.

That book's a really good read if you're curious about their society, since so much of the story is told from his perspective. Kudos to the author (Steve Perry) for coming up with all those details that were never even in the original comic.

And yes, it's worlds better than the films. No relation other than the name.

Yeah, that's where I heard about the female Predators in the Expanded Universe stories (which included the AvP stuff).

But, I read that when it came to the comics, the first time you see the female Predator, the design contradicts Perry's description from the novels. But then again, maybe I should actually read the novels and not just the cliffnotes. :facepalm

But what about the mud thing? Could it be the minerals that the dirt is made of causing it to not register in the Predator's tech, or is the end-all-be-all answer that everyone agrees with is the "mud cools your body temperature"?
 
Mud : predator = lead : superman

Accept it and move on. it's an alien thing.


Predators are aliens who kill things in a horrifically violent way. No need for genderization there.


Next thing you know, people will be wondering if Jason Vorhees was really female, or if there was a female version of the killer at Crystal Lake.
 
Next thing you know, people will be wondering if Jason Vorhees was really female, or if there was a female version of the killer at Crystal Lake.

There was a female version of the killer at Crystal Lake. Her name was Mrs. Pamela Voorhess. Why would anyone wonder about that when its common knowledge?
 
Yeah she's hot, but i think enough damage has been done to the franchise, without entering female Yautja into the mix.

Mud, your over thinking it dude, its mud, with non existent alien tech, a movie gimmick, to make us all go WHHOOOOOAA, when Ahhhnie slaps it on.

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The reason you don't see any female Predators is that they are in the kitchen. Badoomp boomp!

(runs and hides...)
 
The females are probably home on the homeworld, running it and making sure the testosterone filled barbaric hunter men don't **** things up, which is why they allow the rights of passage thing when they are young and go out into the galaxy to hunt some stuff to come home and be praised and join actual society.

Funny. We've never seen one predator actually win. Must be a damn weak lot they are sending off.

Those designs above are just beyond ridiculous... but then again... so was the movie.
 
I like the expanded universe stuff for the predator franchise, some of the comics in particular (It is two stripes time springs to mind). It ticked me off that they didn't use any of it as inspiration for the AvP movies, and in one of the making of features, actually talk about deliberately ignoring it >.<

The females being bigger, and their society being matriarch based made a cool kind of sense to me. Why do predators go on the hunt? As a hunter based society becomes larger you need to do more to stand out amongst potential mates. You set up an honor system to restrict how, so it isn't first to use the nuke wins. Over time it becomes more ritualized in places. Even more sense if the male birth rate is the higher.

Meanwhile the females run the show, pick the most cunning powerful mates, and the species goes on.

As to the mud, Haven't seen the mythbusters take on it, but i always thought the handwave was its cold mud, takes a little while to heat up and arnie reapplies as needed. The first scene where it camouflages him he has just done a fair swim which would cool down his skin temp and slow the mud heating. ah well
 
Maybe the Female Predator is so large she is unable to move once she reaches the stage of fertility, sort of Jabba the Hutt Like, Just churning out little Preds much the same way as the Alien Queen.

Now thats an artist Impression i'd like to see.......

nice thread :thumbsup
 
Another option is that the females are very different from the males. They may not be as mobile as the males or have a different body construct (quadrupedal etc ...) More of a termite queen that's only good for reproduction and little else. That might explain why the males are the hunters, they hunt and take care of the females who can't fend for themselves.

Another option may be that Predators are hermaphrodites (like the somewhat similar Kafers in the 2300AD RPG by GDW) or may even change gender at different points in their life cycle.

My guess ? We'll get a female predator with very clear hominid female characteristics, probably smaller than the males, but more limber like 99% of all action female stereotypes.
 
Thermal imaging cannot see thru mud, period. It is an issue of density of material and insulation thickness. The Predator would have absolutely picked up every inch of space that Arnold touched though. Residual heat lasts much longer than you would think. The sensor picks up the variation in temperature from the ambient temp of the immediate area.

As far as the females go, I believe their society has been described as Matriarchal, with the males competing for the females. This comes from the novelizations, comics, etc.

Seeing the "Elder" males in the films make me think otherwise. I only really consider Predator and Predator 2 to be canon. It could definitely be expanded upon and has been discussed and debated to some length over at the Hunters Lair.

I didn't care for Predators at all - I'm still not sure if it was supposed to be a re-boot, re-make, a nod, a tribute, or what. It was basically the bones of the original barfed up on a plate of dissapointment and regret.
 
If you mean this one, apparently, many don't see this one as a female.

Actually, as I recall, there was one that was more slender, more 'gracile' than most of them that stood out as appearing more 'feminine' to me and my husband. It was subtle, but noticeable to us.
 
I'm pretty sure Predators was not a re-boot but a sequel. They mention the original predator incident in Central America at some point IIRC.
 
If you mean this one, apparently, many don't see this one as a female.

Yep,

He is known as "Borg Predator" - because of his armor and crazy wires going everywhere.

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