RED TAILS... How was it!?

WRONG, Flyboys is a decent movie, it's about the Lafeyette Escadrille, the 124th air squadron formed by the French in 1916. they totally F-ed up the way they promoted it. Historical accuracy for the nitpickers, well what can you say. The air battles were really well done, the love story is what the Anakin/Padme love story could have been, decently written.

I don't know what movie you saw, but it wasn't flyboys :lol

The technical adviser for the script, costume and props was bang on. The CG dogfights were horrendous. The aircraft in WWI could not do any of the maneuvers I saw them do in that movie.

Supposedly they use bi-planes and put the sensors on them that they use for motion capture on actors in order to "map" the movements of aircraft. The problem was that the airplanes they used were modern aerobatic aircraft with 3X the horsepower and 1/4 the weight. :facepalm

----- Now back on topic about Red Tails.

Overal the movie was ok, but I think Tuskegee Airmen was a much better story. In Red Tails they went out of their way to put too many flaws into the main characters like blatant disregard for CoC (chain of command), alcoholism etc. Sure some of that happened in the war but not to that extreme. The dialogue and jokes were kind of cheesy at times (your more colored than me comes to mind), but it did make me smile.

The love story was a joke IMO and just didn't belong. If they wanted a "real" romance they should have made it feel important, all I kept thinking was 'when will we get back to the airplanes?'

As far as the technical side of the movie they did glaze over a lot of details. The real Tuskegee airmen went from P-40s to P47s then P-51 B/Cs and finally P-51Ds. They also had the pilots holding down the triggers far longer than they would have had ammo, but that's minor in the grand scheme.

The dog fighting was decently done overall IMO and the trailer scared me since it showed a Me262 being chased by a P-51D, but the movie showed the P-51 in a dive to catch the 262 which was more realistic. The loop and roll maneuver actually does work. When watching the trailer if you pause during the maneuver you can see that the P-51 puts down flaps (10 degrees or so) which is how the maneuver is possible. Flaps increase lift, but also greatly increase induced drag, but since induced drag is much lower at slow speeds it works out.

The CGI airplanes weren't badly done, but could have been better on some of the texture work.

Bottom line, if you want a good story and it includes the start of the Tuskegee to the end and scenes with real airplanes, watch "Tuskegee Airmen".

If you want a cool CGI movie with the occasional intermission... sorry i mean cheesy love story, then Red Tails.

P.S. I'm a licenced pilot and was the crew chief for CHAA (harvards.com) at airshows for many years, so I'm one the few that has not only been able to touch warbirds, but see them in flight and had the lucky chance to fly above a Lancaster Bomber near the CN tower /brag :lol
 
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saw the movie and it seems........... underwhelming...... wish this was in the hands of a better director.

Like Spielberg (Pvt Ryan) or one of the directors of Band of Brothers? I could see that, but do agree, the story should have been put into the hands of someone else.
 
saw the movie and it seems........... underwhelming...... wish this was in the hands of a better director.

And writer...

DVD was given to me, so plugged it in last night.

Agreed. Meh...

When I saw "Produced by Rick McCallum" then all the poor response made perfect sense... Not to mention GL's role.
 
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From Blu-Ray.com (and I couldn't agree more):

"What he has trouble with is what we might call the human element of his films. The dialogue. The storytelling. The tone. My main concern was that Red Tails would adopt the campy 1930s-serials quality of the Star Wars prequels, with cardboard characters, almost comically evil villains, and cornball, Hallmark-card sentimentality. Unfortunately, this is exactly what happened."
 
I've started watching this movie so many times, and never finished.
I don't think I've ever got more than 20 minutes in.
I really want to like this movie, but I just can't tolerate it.
 
I've said before a great theatrical release fighter pilot film has not been made in the modern era. It utterly escapes me why.
There are stunning stories to tell. Just amazing things that you will only hear about in documentary shows.
The most successful fighter pilot of all and a very compelling story will probably never be told in a movie because
well.... he flew for the Luftwaffe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Hartmann
 
They could easily do a modern version of The Battle of Britain, or do something a la Band of Brothers about various other branches of the service or different nations' militaries. There's no reason not to other than "People want to see comic book movies." Which is true, but which doesn't mean they DON'T want to see other thrilling tales.
 
I want to make a "Flying Tigers" movie.
But I have to make it myself. Anyone else would just screw it up.
With the possible exception of Ang Lee.
The Tigers are still revered in China, to this day, and if anyone could do their story justice it would be him.
Whatever happened to his Flying Tigers project?
 
I want to make a "Flying Tigers" movie.
But I have to make it myself. Anyone else would just screw it up.
With the possible exception of Ang Lee.
The Tigers are still revered in China, to this day, and if anyone could do their story justice it would be him.
Whatever happened to his Flying Tigers project?

No $*&@! So frustrating.
History is one of the greatest writers there is!
And they ignore her again and again and again.
The Wright brothers would also be a great film.

There was supposed to be a Dambusters film too.
 
I've said before a great theatrical release fighter pilot film has not been made in the modern era. It utterly escapes me why.
There are stunning stories to tell. Just amazing things that you will only hear about in documentary shows.
The most successful fighter pilot of all and a very compelling story will probably never be told in a movie because
well.... he flew for the Luftwaffe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Hartmann

I'd like to see an Adolf Galland movie.
Yah, he was on the wrong side, but he was one cool cat.
And he hated Hitler and Goering and the nazi party, and was a co-conspirator in at least one assassination attempt, so he's got that going for him, too.
 
I'd like to see an Adolf Galland movie.
Yah, he was on the wrong side, but he was one cool cat.
And he hated Hitler and Goering and the nazi party, and was a co-conspirator in at least one assassination attempt, so he's got that going for him, too.


Yep, a lot of guys were simply military men, sons of military men, and not into the whole Aryan crap. Things can be more complicated than
black and white. The stories are still incredible but I guess people can't understand
that showing this history is not being pro-NAZI.

Stories of a B-17 so shot up that a German pilot simply escorted them to safe territory...

http://www.military.com/Content/MoreContent1/?file=dday_0033p1

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now this is a story id love to see on the big screen!

Yep, a lot of guys were simply military men, sons of military men, and not into the whole Aryan crap. Things can be more complicated than
black and white. The stories are still incredible but I guess people can't understand
that showing this history is not being pro-NAZI.

Stories of a B-17 so shot up that a German pilot simply escorted them to safe territory...

http://www.military.com/Content/MoreContent1/?file=dday_0033p1

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/CessnaDriver/1499004_794451440571693_236846227_o.jpg
 
The stories are still incredible but I guess people can't understand that showing this history is not being pro-NAZI.
Well considering it's hollywood and they always have an agenda I'm not surprised they have it looking that way. It's a slap in the face to all the soldiers involved, just like Bay's Pearl Harbor movie.
 
Somebody needs to do one about the "Black Sheep" & Pappy Boyington!

Yeah, I loved the TV show as a kid but it was not exactly a historical document despite the consultant
status of Boyington on the show.... "Pappy's Lambs" for instance. LOL
I did see him in person long long ago at an airshow. There was a Japanese pilot there too, I swear they just leered at each other.
 
Curious if the director and/or writer really sucked, or was just a puppet for George and Rick.

Well, I suppose I'm not really all that curious, as I can take a logical guess.
 
YES!! I agree, I hope so, too! Both Band of Brothers and The Pacific are great! I actually liked The Pacific better, though.
 
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