JP mosquito egg/ shiftknob/ the quest for the perfect cane

[DWVinny]

New Plastic is in and the results are FANTASTIC!!
I tried using smoothcast 320 initially, it was ok, But much too brittle for my taste. I want this to be a usable item, not just for aesthetic. I made one with just smoothcast, dropped it from about five feet off the floor, and it broke into 3 pieces.
I found some new resin that is FAR superior to the smoothcast stuff. Its quite pricey and takes a long time to cure but I think the end result is worth it. The manufacturer claims "nearly unbreakable" Im not so sure about that but, It seems to be more than sufficient for this application. You can see in the video Im putting all I got, into trying to break it and can only bend it.. This one in the vid is only resin. The finished Pieces will have steel rods in them as well So they should be more than strong enough for actual use. Very exited with the results!

 

[Brigandia36]

What do you use for molding the resin ? Do you build your own mold ?

 

[cavx]

Is the cane itself supposed to be tail vertebrae?

 

[The Terminator]

Re: JP mosquito egg/ knob part deux

Here are some pics of the first finished cane.
Hopefully you can see the curvature of the cane itself in the pics. This egg doesnt have the best mosquito in it. But I used it more for its shape and size, than the bug.
My understanding is The movie canes ranged in size from 85-86.5cm or 33.5" to 34" in height Depending on which one, you measure.
Mine average around 34" depending on the egg. The very top of the "bucket" should be around 34-35mm and the bottom of the foot is roughly 19mm or 3/4" without the rubber piece. I wont go into the dimensions of each bone section. But lets just say I spent a LOT of time measuring, checking, and talking to "sources" who will remain nameless about the dimensions. Each segment should be accurate within 1-3 mm in size and girth.
Contrary to popular belief the Movie canes were not glossy, and they were Ivory/off white, and lightly weathered. I may have overdone it a bit with the burnt sienna LOL



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I didn't really get to say it in the other thread, so very nice looking cane! :thumbsup

Here is a good screen shot for color reference
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Comparing real world colors to a color seen on screen really is not a good comparison. The color depends first on how it was painted, secondly what the lighting setup during filing back in 1992, which also includes all the bouncing lights from surrounding objects(e.g. blue screens, green plants). Then it gets tricky: these colors were then captured onto film, through a particular lens and possibly filters, all of those in turn make colors appear in different ways. Then you get into the whole color grading of the film.

Then comes the fun part, which format did you use as a source. VHS will have one look, the dvd has a different look, the different blu-ray versions have even more differences. It really isn't a good color reference. If it had a good color chart next to it during filing of the scene, then it would have been a good reference.

Is the cane itself supposed to be tail vertebrae?

That is what I always interpreted it as. Even as a kid

 

[DWVinny]

Re: JP mosquito egg/ knob part deux

What do you use for molding the resin ? Do you build your own mold ?

Its a 2part resin from the company I buy my shift knob resin from, They dont sell to the public so I didnt mention the name. Yes everything is made in house. There is a pic of my mold 2 posts up from yours.

Is the cane itself supposed to be tail vertebrae?

Yes indeed Cavx or at least vertebrae of some sort.

I didn't really get to say it in the other thread, so very nice looking cane! :thumbsup

Comparing real world colors to a color seen on screen really is not a good comparison. The color depends first on how it was painted, secondly what the lighting setup during filing back in 1992, which also includes all the bouncing lights from surrounding objects(e.g. blue screens, green plants). Then it gets tricky: these colors were then captured onto film, through a particular lens and possibly filters, all of those in turn make colors appear in different ways. Then you get into the whole color grading of the film.

Then comes the fun part, which format did you use as a source. VHS will have one look, the dvd has a different look, the different blu-ray versions have even more differences. It really isn't a good color reference. If it had a good color chart next to it during filing of the scene, then it would have been a good reference.

Well thank you Sir :thumbsup
As far as color I would say the Blue ray best represents it. You are certainly right though, it look like its a different color in almost every scene LOL.
These two pics are of "confirmed" screen used canes. You can see it is most certainly white.

 

[ced84]

Hello friends,

Excuse me, but I use a translator to talk.

This new Hammond cane replica is very satisfactory and very close to reality it seems to me you. Regarding color, I will join 2 pictures of an original film Jurassic Park cane in comparison.

http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=16/16/epy2.jpg

http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=16/16/u5pi.jpg

The color of the egg which contains the mosquito is also very close to the original in this new replica DWvinny. And the mosquito is also very satisfying, I would say one of the best I've seen. Certainly this is not a real insect that's true, but after all it does not change at least I think it helps to get closer to the reality of the film sticks. Anyway in the film, it's not a real bug, it's a montage of several insect species that are in the egg of the cane.

Now it must not be forgotten that in the movie there are no one cane. Several rods were used to make the film and they are not at all identical. The best pommel been keeping the two close ... During the film, it is other canes that are used, the caps canes are different depending on the scenes, and there are at most "big" and canes other more "fine".

In the movie "The Lost World", it is not about canes Jurassic Park. Cane The Lost World is totally different. But it is also less emphasized.

In fact sugarcane is supposed to be dinosaur vertebrae. Since John Hammond is somehow a portrayal of Andrew Carnegie who was a collector of bones of dinosaur, hence the idea cane. More Richard Attenborough with his style is almost a dead ringer for Mr Andrew Carnegie.

Regarding the size of the original cane, the cane that I show here that has been used by Richard Attenborough in Jurassic Park measured 85.9 cm or 33.81 inches.

Always pay attention to the internet images because it is retouched for sales, here's the official photo of the sale of the cane that I showed you above, you will see the color difference on both the cane and the egg: http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=16/16/7c7t.jpg

 

[DWVinny]

Hello friends,

Excuse me, but I use a translator to talk.

This new Hammond cane replica is very satisfactory and very close to reality it seems to me you. Regarding color, I will join 2 pictures of an original film Jurassic Park cane in comparison.

http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=16/16/epy2.jpg

http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=16/16/u5pi.jpg

The color of the egg which contains the mosquito is also very close to the original in this new replica DWvinny. And the mosquito is also very satisfying, I would say one of the best I've seen. Certainly this is not a real insect that's true, but after all it does not change at least I think it helps to get closer to the reality of the film sticks. Anyway in the film, it's not a real bug, it's a montage of several insect species that are in the egg of the cane.

Now it must not be forgotten that in the movie there are no one cane. Several rods were used to make the film and they are not at all identical. The best pommel been keeping the two close ... During the film, it is other canes that are used, the caps canes are different depending on the scenes, and there are at most "big" and canes other more "fine".

In the movie "The Lost World", it is not about canes Jurassic Park. Cane The Lost World is totally different. But it is also less emphasized.

In fact sugarcane is supposed to be dinosaur vertebrae. Since John Hammond is somehow a portrayal of Andrew Carnegie who was a collector of bones of dinosaur, hence the idea cane. More Richard Attenborough with his style is almost a dead ringer for Mr Andrew Carnegie.

Regarding the size of the original cane, the cane that I show here that has been used by Richard Attenborough in Jurassic Park measured 85.9 cm or 33.81 inches.

Always pay attention to the internet images because it is retouched for sales, here's the official photo of the sale of the cane that I showed you above, you will see the color difference on both the cane and the egg: http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=16/16/7c7t.jpg

Thanks for the Kind words :thumbsup
As far as the multi-bug thing that is absolutely correct. The head is an elephant mosquito. The body is from a crane fly, and I believe the wings are either paper or from a different insect. If you look closely at the tail in this pic you can see what appears to be an extra wing. Going on m experience with inserting real insects. Im guessing it was easier to just get the wing to "lay down' instead of removing it.

 

[The Terminator]

Re: JP mosquito egg/ knob part deux

The cane looks extremely sturdy

Well thank you Sir :thumbsup
As far as color I would say the Blue ray best represents it. You are certainly right though, it look like its a different color in almost every scene LOL.
These two pics are of "confirmed" screen used canes. You can see it is most certainly white.
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On a personal note I definitely prefer the more yellow tone of the amber. If I remember correctly the darker the amber the older it is :unsure
Which version though? The 2D version uses one color timing and the 3D version uses another. The 3D version is closer to the original, but not in every scene - confusion :lol

Comparisons:
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21055&s2=2997&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=0#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21058&s2=3000&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=3#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21059&s2=3001&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=4#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21062&s2=3004&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=7#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21063&s2=3005&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=8#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21065&s2=3017&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=10#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21066&s2=3016&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=11#vergleich

The loss of details in the 3D version is astonishing

 

[DWVinny]

Re: JP mosquito egg/ knob part deux

The cane looks extremely sturdy



On a personal note I definitely prefer the more yellow tone of the amber. If I remember correctly the darker the amber the older it is :unsure
Which version though? The 2D version uses one color timing and the 3D version uses another. The 3D version is closer to the original, but not in every scene - confusion :lol

Comparisons:
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21055&s2=2997&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=0#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21058&s2=3000&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=3#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21059&s2=3001&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=4#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21062&s2=3004&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=7#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21063&s2=3005&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=8#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21065&s2=3017&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=10#vergleich
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&d1=2276&d2=292&s1=21066&s2=3016&a=0&x=&y=&l=&i=11#vergleich

The loss of details in the 3D version is astonishing

I have the 2d version.
And speaking of sturdy, that is an understatement. I just demolded one with a metal rod this morning and its really solid! I can hardly even bend it now. I also added threads to the top so the egg can be screwed on in addition to glue.
This puppy is rock solid :devil

 

[The Terminator]

That is no prop replica, that is a deadly weapon

 

[Contec]

Re: JP mosquito egg/ knob part deux

If I remember correctly the darker the amber the older it is :unsure

What counts as Older when the real amber is millions of years old already.

 

[The Terminator]

Re: JP mosquito egg/ knob part deux

What counts as Older when the real amber is millions of years old already.

A few more million years?

For gods sake Jim I'm a graphics artist, not a geologist! :lol

 

[ced84]

Exactly as you tell DWVinny, it is an assembly of several insects, from what I was told to sell the cane, the body is the body of a large crane fly, the wings are the wings of a dragonfly they cut to make size, the head is that of an elephant mosquito, and they have added huge tubes to give a prehistoric side with the insect. In all the pieces of amber film and canes, insect wings are downgraded and pasted on their back and it shows a close-up. It is said that the dragonfly wings are impregnated with sticky hairspray to keep their shape before molding. And the pommels of canes film molding is done in two parts because when you look at the egg and that the spins we see each side of the insect a casting line ... there is very imperfections in the egg and wearing blows certainly with the ring of John Hammond ... and speaking of all this, do you notice that the watch John Hammond is adorned with amber? Small orange resin pieces are glued to the strap of the watch Richard Attenborough. And to answer the question of color, knobs canes are more orange than yellow, yellow as seen here in the photo posted by WVinny is because the photo was fully retouched but in reality the egg is more orange.

 

[ced84]

These are defects that have the egg. Can wear the ring because of Richard Attenborough or a molding defect , I do not know. But these defects are hollow for passing your hand over one feels that he is slightly widened and they are blackened . When you look in the bud by the other direction in the light these defects appear as small round ...
http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=16/17/f7nn.jpg

 

[DWVinny]

Yes those are a molding defect. I would say its a combination of One: using a 2 part mold and Two: Not degassing it.
As much as it pains me I added the bubbles..

 

[Malphas]

That is no prop replica, that is a deadly weapon

Or a functional cane which I think he said he was going for at some point.

 

[The Terminator]

Yes those are a molding defect. I would say its a combination of One: using a 2 part mold and Two: Not degassing it.
As much as it pains me I added the bubbles..

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B-b-but but but but, think of all the people who try so hard to avoid those exact bubbles
That fake amber looks like honey and looks tasty :lol

 

[ced84]

This is fine as it is closer to true Hammond cane heads.

A very successful detail is that segregates the two molding lines on each side of the insect.

On many replica there to a molding line .

 

[DWVinny]

 

[Restaurajones]

Great job there !! Making the sankara stones , lattely I have had the thought of make some day a replica of this . Incredible the mosquito :thumbsup