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    Nov 22, 2011, 1:51 PM - Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #1

    Hi friends. As some of you know, I’ve been searching for an Illusive Concepts Han Solo in Carbonite 1:1 prop to strip the paint from for sometime now. Jeff “Gotmagic” on the Yahoo Han in Carbonite builder forum, took me up on my offer. He sent me his #345 Illusive Concept prop with the body and carbonite section already cut out of the box. He is going to build a more accurate cabinet and side panels. I will strip down his cast and repair the defects and remove detail added by IC to bring it back as close as possible to the screen used original.

    I will be doing a paint strip down and removal of all the top and base coats IC applied, and get down to the original as cast details which were buried under all the applications of paint.

    I will be examining the Illusive Concepts casting and will try to answer the questions of what was original and what, if any, modifications were made to it after it was cast by comparing it to original photos of the movie prop. I will be looking forward to getting feed back and advice from some of the very knowledgeable HIC experts out there.

    A small bit of history on the IC prop.
    This was a 1:1 prop produced in 1997 by Illusive Concepts at a run production of 2500 pieces, but that number was never achieved. I have heard due to the company going out of business. The body and carbonite section of the cast was taken directly from an original movie prop. The surrounding box frame and eight side panels were custom made by them. There were supposedly modifications made to the hair, face and hands possibly due to damage and/or to help with ease of molding such a large amount of units.

    So, lets get started...
    One thing I noticed when I first unpacked it is that these props weren't made flimsy. Jeff had cut the body out of the frame before shipping it off. We have 1/2 to 3/4" thick fiber glass here, nice and strong.










    One thing that I was disappointed with was the quality of this low number cast. I knew there were problems with parts of it from the pictures Jeff initially sent me but this project is turning from just a strip down and minor repair to a full on resculpt of the face and hands...cool, I get to re-sculpt my favorite prop? That'll work too

    Details and issues reviled in my next post, along with the start of the paint stripping process.





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    Nov 22, 2011, 2:29 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #2

    Put up some really good pics of HIS right hand and I'll find some ggod ones to show how they massacred it for breakage. Later #'s were also shrunken down another 5% due to another casting of the reworked hands which were the main problem in shipping since they packed them so poorly.

    Does this one have a glossy coat on it or is it rough to the touch? That will tell you what generation it is.
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    Nov 22, 2011, 3:12 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #3

    This one has a gloss coat applied. The right hand, along with the face and some of the fingers of left hand were messed up pretty bad when they applied the initial gel coat so the detail, IE wrinkles and structure mainly in the right hand were wiped out. They also tried to fix it with Bondo.

    I will show detail shots when I get a chance to do my next post.
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    Nov 22, 2011, 6:45 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #4

    Looking forward to the progress!
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    Nov 25, 2011, 5:18 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #5

    Thanks for the link on the HIC yahoogroups forum. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.
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    Nov 26, 2011, 2:48 AM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #6

    Hey guys. Im fairly new to the RPF, at least when it comes to posting messages. Since I began collecting over 12 years ago the IC HIC was something I never dreamed I would own. Well, I was able to get my hands on one last weekend at auction for what I believe was a great price. It's in great shape, but also evident that there are some problems that need correcting; however, I knew I would be able to find some guidance on these forums. Anyways, I have a later edition, I believe #938 but not positive. Once I get the courage I will be attempting to make improvements and look forward to using this thread for direction. If for any reason reference photos are needed from a "later model" IC HIC, I'd be more than willing to post some. I'm in no way an expert when it comes to a film accurate HIC so I'm really looking forward to your findings and progress!
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    Nov 29, 2011, 1:47 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #7

    Congrats on the purchase of your HIC. I definitely would like this thread to be a group effort and any pic's you want to show, from your IC's, as we progress, are very welcome. There were a ton of these props made and the problems with this one is hopefully not the rule but the exception. I'll have some more shots coming soon.
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    Nov 29, 2011, 2:18 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #8

    This is going to be a fun one to watch. Will copies be made available in the JY when completed?
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    Dec 3, 2011, 7:54 AM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #9

    If that one is like mine, the right pinky will look like it is made of bondo. I have always wanted to see what was under this thick gloss. Thanks for taking this on.
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    Dec 9, 2011, 4:08 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #10

    Finally have some time to post. Here are some of the problem areas on this particular cast.

    The face had a lot of issues, you can see the mottled rough surface and the stepping or ridging around the lips, nose, cheek, toes and forehead.





    Same with the left toe.




    Two of the right hand fingers were broken off at one time and repaired. This may have been in the mold itself. We will see after it's stripped.



    Right hand was real bad, the pitting in the fingers.




    The palm in the right hand was the worst area. You can tell that the palm wrinkles are wrong and I suspect was repaired with bondo at the factory to save this casting. We will know more when I strip off the paint.



    They did not even bother to fix the lower finger area, YIKES!


    More pictures to come...
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    Dec 9, 2011, 4:16 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #11

    Wow. That is horrific. I'm afraid you'll probably find it all in the casting and not in the paint. This one is much worse than the one I had and sent back, and that one was not worth the money with all the flaws.

    I can't get over all the holes in this one. And that hand. Good grief.
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    Dec 12, 2011, 3:40 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #12

    I have wondered if the number on the plaque actually identifies the order these were pulled from the mold. My #499 doesn't have quite that many quality control issues with the right hand and presumably was pulled after your 345. My gloss does seem much heavier than yours too. Thanks for the updates. Let me know if you want any specific photos of mine.
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    Dec 12, 2011, 4:23 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #13

    Antwayne, I don't think it's a matter of the mold being deteriorated, I believe that they either had a gel coat cure problem, maybe an equipment failure or the guy that showed up to work that day had one cerveza to many the night before and just mixed the material and hardeners wrong. Who knows. The next one they pulled might have been perfect. I think this was operator error.

    I'm not counting out the fact that it could have been the mold itself though. I don't know how many mold negatives they had, I would assume they had more than one for the numbers they were going to produce. This one may have been a bad negative and was tossed shortly after.
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    Dec 12, 2011, 4:26 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #14

    I actually have a original HIC from Illusive which I completely stripped down, it had a very thick clearcoat, I will apply a new paintjob and make a new box for it. I will take some photos which might help your fixes, I applied primer to see details. Alot of details were lost under that superthick base/clearcoat paintjob, basically whoever buys Illusive recasts without being stripped first the copies will have way less details which are buried under that thick clearcoat.

    GFollano
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    Dec 12, 2011, 4:41 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #15

    GF said: View Post
    I actually have a original HIC from Illusive which I completely stripped down, it had a very thick clearcoat, I will apply a new paintjob and make a new box for it. I will take some photos which might help your fixes, I applied primer to see details. Alot of details were lost under that superthick base/clearcoat paintjob, basically whoever buys Illusive recasts without being stripped first the copies will have way less details which are buried under that thick clearcoat.

    GFollano
    Exactly why I'm doing the strip down GF Hopefully what you had underneath your paint was better than what I have. Most all the body and cabonite was cast in real good shape. Just the most important details were smugged on this one.
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    Dec 12, 2011, 4:52 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #16

    Id love to have one of those. What a piece!

    Michael
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    Dec 12, 2011, 6:37 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #17

    Here are a few photos of mine stripped with a light coat of primer, one of the finger tip has a small chip, easy fix since it's on the plain area of the finger tip not the nail section.

    GFollano
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    Dec 13, 2011, 8:11 AM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #18

    GF, any close up shots of the mouth?
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    Dec 14, 2011, 12:10 AM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #19

    Interesting. Like Antwayne, I don't have nearly as many issues and mine is #832.
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    Dec 14, 2011, 3:05 AM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #20

    I just purchased a front panel on ebay a month ago, also just purchased a side panel that I will be making 7 copies from and I also have the water jet cut box. All I need now are the pieces for the side panels. Im glad you have this post on here as I am about to strip my front section as well. Good thing I worked in a body shop 18 years ago. Does anyone know where I can find the sidepanel Greeblee parts?

    Thanks
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    Dec 14, 2011, 10:51 AM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #21

    Captain Wow said: View Post
    I just purchased a front panel on ebay a month ago, also just purchased a side panel that I will be making 7 copies from and I also have the water jet cut box. All I need now are the pieces for the side panels. Im glad you have this post on here as I am about to strip my front section as well. Good thing I worked in a body shop 18 years ago. Does anyone know where I can find the sidepanel Greeblee parts?

    Thanks
    CW, I make all the parts necessary for the panels, see my threads in the Junk Yard.

    http://www.therpf.com/f13/han-carbon...eeblees-99552/

    http://www.therpf.com/f13/han-carbon...cs-kit-117629/
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    Dec 27, 2011, 4:09 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #22

    Well, back for another update. I've started the strip down. I wanted to see what was going on with the hand first. You can see the bondo that was used to try and make this one "sellable".





    Close shot of the hand repair.



    Stripped




    It very difficult to see the details in the black so I sprayed a light coat of silver on the hand after I cleaned all the bondo out. We get a good look at the problem cast that was under the patch work. The main structure of the hand and original wrinkles were still there. This will be a great guide when I start to sculpt the details back in.



    75% stripped down to the black gel coat.



    Face stripped and silver applied for visuals. lots of issues here unfortunately. This will require most of the face to be re sculpted.

    I pulled a big chunk of bodo out from inside his lower lip, like a big wad of chew. Curious why they filled in this area with bondo.


    Next, the re sculpting begins!
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    Dec 29, 2011, 4:26 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #23

    BTW, DS Yes I will be making a mold when finished before I send this back to the owner so I can have one for myself. I MAY do a very limited run in the Junk yard but I just don't have the time it takes to pump these out in mass like Lonestar. He would be the man for IC copies.

    Sculpting the left side face.



    Starting the rt side face.



    Smoothing in the wrinkles on the rt hand.
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    Feb 12, 2012, 12:22 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #24

    Any updates?
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    Feb 12, 2012, 2:47 PM - Re: Han Solo In Carbonite propů going under cover... #25

    Antwayne, I'll have some pic's soon (work has kept me extremely busy)

    I have the entire piece stripped now. I have been working on the right hand when I can, cutting back all the extra carbonite IC added to the back and reworking the fingers more. I'm pretty close to being done with the resculpting for the body. I will tackle the carbonite edges around the complete perimeter next, where IC had spliced the seam to the box.

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