PHArchivist
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Or so I heard...
Is it because its better...? In all respects?
Is it because its better...? In all respects?
John Carpenter doesn't like Rob Zombie's Halloween...
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Is your son playing with your computer again?
Magic 8 ball answers your question: All signs point to NO:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/halloween
Well Rob Zombie's music is better than John Carpenters! So there!
PHArchivist
Master Member
"Critics Consensus: Rob Zombie doesn't bring many new ideas"
This is in arguably incorrect.
Like it or not, credible or not, the additional 20-30 minutes of prologue DOES bring "many new ides". A bullet-point list can be provided, but I know that you know this already.
Do you like the new ideas?
Do the new ideas make it a better film?
Personal opinion...
For me, it (the prologue) does. It provides depth, intelligence, and meaning. JC didn't like it for the same reasons. My understanding is that he felt it took away from the mystique of the character. For me, the foundations of the psychosis added a gritty realism, making it more accessible, if you will. More plausible. Thus, more horrific.
Providing insight to a character's background CAN deflate the character (Jango Fett - Boba Fett).
For me, for this character, Zombie's story-telling works...
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I agree but damn it just to much to type... I keep typing then deleting... :facepalm
The Searcher
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I thought the only one Carpenter saw (besides the new one and the first three) was Resurrection. Now, I can’t confirm the article 100%, but it’s worth a look: https://www.looper.com/136110/direc...als-the-halloween-movie-that-made-him-cringe/
sztriki
Sr Member
Fixed it for ya.
As for the topic of the thread, here's what he said:
And here's a few days after:
https://twitter.com/TheHorrorMaster/status/780953450406215680
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The Searcher
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I don’t think Halloween III tried to be like the original... which is why I (and Carpenter apparently) love it!
It's like the Matrix. People say there are sequels, but I don't believe it.
KojiroVance
Sr Member
Carpenter explained in that video, horror films are of their time and for audiences of the time. OP, you perhaps think Zombie’s film is better, good for you. But that’s not the case for others. Us folks who were the cinema going genre fans appreciated Carpenter’s lean film. Zombie’s film seems to layer on more and more back story and gore. If that floats your boat, great. Doesn’t make it “better.”
Zombie_61
Master Member
I can sum up the main problem with both John Carpenter's Halloween (1978) and Rob Zombie's Halloween (2007) in two words: Laurie Strode.
Both films use Strode as the primary female character/hero, and follow her rather extensively. Now, if the audience is going to have to watch a single character throughout the majority of a movie you'd better make that character not only interesting enough to want to watch, but likeable as well. That way, when the villain shows up the audience has someone to root for. The problems are that Carpenter's Strode is one of the most boring characters in the history of cinema so no one really cares if Michael kills her, and Zombie's Strode is so annoying that everyone wants him to kill her.
Both films use Strode as the primary female character/hero, and follow her rather extensively. Now, if the audience is going to have to watch a single character throughout the majority of a movie you'd better make that character not only interesting enough to want to watch, but likeable as well. That way, when the villain shows up the audience has someone to root for. The problems are that Carpenter's Strode is one of the most boring characters in the history of cinema so no one really cares if Michael kills her, and Zombie's Strode is so annoying that everyone wants him to kill her.
BINGO! Sometimes leaving the backstory to the imagination of the audience is FAR more scary!
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LOL I couldn't agree more!
Just my opinion but this is it, completely for me. Zombie's movie humanized the killer. That's okay if that's what you're into. Carpenter's was a very different movie. "The Shape" was hinted to possibly having a supernatural quality. THAT'S the movie I wanted to see. You simply could not stop him weather you try to hurt or kill him, you don't hear a peep out of him and he keeps coming at you no matter WHAT you throw at him. It leaves you wondering what has happened over the years to transform a human boy into a powerful, unfeeling, soulless, relentless monster.
Zombie's movie gave me a demented dude in a mask.
Pumpkinhead
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Rob Zombie... should be NEVER be allowed to make any movies. He sucks. His version of Halloween took all the was good about the original and turned it inside out. He's like the Shane Black of Predator movies.
Tan Djarka
Sr Member
The first one, while not on par with the original was okay. It demystified Michael Myers, which really didn't do any any good for the character, but it wasn't horrible. The second one, on the other hand? I remember thinking, during one of the more brutal killings (a beating that just seemed to go on an on) "Is this really necessary?" I don't know about his other two subsequent films, but "The Devil's Rejects" was pretty good.
Egon Spengler
Master Member
I'll catch it for this I'm sure, and maybe it's because I waited until 2018 to watch the original Halloween, but to me it's Rifftrax MST3K material. It was boring and Laurie was stupid. I used to get a creepy feeling when I'd hear the Halloween music, but now I think -sings- Boring bah boring bah boring ...
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