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    Oct 11, 2017, 11:17 PM - Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #1

    G'day folks,

    I'm trying to replicate the explosives used in the film for a display...This picture seems to show something written on the side. Anyone able to help with this as I've come up blank
    blank.

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    Oct 12, 2017, 11:20 AM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #2

    This was the best shot I could find in the movie while skipping through it. The flamethrowers in the movie are real 'M2' flamethrowers which were initially developed during WWII, the specific kind used in the movie are Vietnam-era M2A1-7 flamethrowers. If you look at WWII-era dynamite, (the kind used by combat engineers) there are similarities in the markings.

    Obviously the dynamite is a prop, so maybe they looked at photos or had access to surplus inert "training" dynamite from the same era as the flamthrowers and made up paper labels to wrap around a tube.

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    Oct 12, 2017, 2:18 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #3

    Thanks legend. You have cemented the UN for me. I have now identified the logo and brand of Dynamite. i just need to figure out the remainder of the text under the UN.

    Thanks for your help.

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    Oct 12, 2017, 5:21 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #4

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    Oct 12, 2017, 10:23 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #5

    Found your logo: https://www.trademarkia.com/logo-72158447.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_Inc.

    After some fruitless Googling, I've learned an appropriate Nobel trade name is "UNIGEL" (1979):

    https://www.dynonobel.com/practical-...ducts/dynamite

    Searches for "Unigel" and 'explosive' (or whatever) can show you modern examples.

    It's possible someone just cut and pasted some stock prop labels to make the ones seen on screen. Or, Hercules was making Unigel in / for the US under license.


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    Oct 12, 2017, 10:24 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #6

    I know it's a movie, but it is doubtful that they would use World War 2 era dynamite. The stuff crystallizes when it ages and becomes unstable. Sunlight could set it off. Was it Click image for larger version. 

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    Manufacturers change labelling all the time. Logos and lettering change in size and sometimes colour. The additional lettering would be lot numbers, safety information and brisance (shattering power).

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    Oct 13, 2017, 12:16 AM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #7

    Thanks guys. You've done some great research and it was a fun hunt. It's actually Hercules Inc. Just trying to get the right text in the other areas.

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    I plan to make some replicas of the sticks and Macready's bundle if there's enough interest as it's going to be used in a spiderhead display of my own.

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    Oct 13, 2017, 7:22 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #8

    Who wants to mock up a wrap with me? I'm not really mr digital. Lol. I'll make you a free stick or two
    Still working on design.

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    Oct 13, 2017, 8:31 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #9

    friggin AWESOME!
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    Oct 16, 2017, 9:43 AM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #10

    TazVader said: View Post
    Who wants to mock up a wrap with me? I'm not really mr digital. Lol. I'll make you a free stick or two
    Still working on design.
    I'd totally be into that! I had a lot of fun inventing some faux vintage battery labels a while back; here's the build video: https://youtu.be/8YO-Pj8Flk0
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    Oct 16, 2017, 9:58 AM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #11

    I'd also be happy to help, I'd love to have some dynamite sticks for my display.
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    Oct 16, 2017, 10:38 AM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #12

    Dan Efran said: View Post
    I'd totally be into that!
    On further reflection, yes, I'd be happy to help with vintage label design. But no, please don't send me fake dynamite in the mail!

    I don't need any dynamite props at present, but I can't rule out building some someday. (I've already made several short films featuring bombs of various types!) So I'm interested in the dimensions and logos and stuff that you're uncovering. (Weight, maybe?) I hope you'll share the results of your research.
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    Oct 16, 2017, 7:45 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #13

    Awesome guys!!! Mmm....well perhaps just aged stick wraps with the correct details would be a better option for post lol

    I've got a Norris spider head on the way to my house so I figured a cool base would be a half open crate of dynamite with a few sticks...sticking out lol

    So brown paper ie grocery bag or similar should work for our wraps...just need to work out length and diameter of the tubes then the printing can be positioned correctly I guess lol I'll have a hunt around after work on fri Dan unless someone here is familiar with said material...

    Now we have the Hercules and the symbol down... anyone have any better screen caps to confirm the smaller text?

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    Oct 16, 2017, 7:49 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #14

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    Oct 16, 2017, 8:04 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #15

    off the shelf road flares would be a good similar size,
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    Oct 19, 2017, 1:45 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #16

    So how's this going?
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    Oct 19, 2017, 5:36 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #17

    I'm about to go on holiday so will start it moving when possible. Got some talent involved

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    Oct 19, 2017, 9:02 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #18

    man..... that sounds like my boss. "ive got something exciting to show you..... but im heading off for a 2 week hunting trip... "
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    Oct 20, 2017, 2:04 AM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #19

    As in I'm going to have more time to devote to this as I'm not at work lol

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    Oct 20, 2017, 8:50 AM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #20

    Have a good holiday Taz, can't wait to see how this turns out.
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    Oct 21, 2017, 11:45 AM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #21

    I dug up a few "pictures" of other Hercules sticks - not the same style but still helpful. Note the angled wrap line.
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    Also, I took the crate image from post #7 above, and removed most of the perspective distortion on the logo, so that it basically matches the proportions of the low resolution logo from post #5:
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    Not perfect, but probably good enough.

    Next I'll clean that up and start mocking up a wrapper. Maybe tomorrow.

    Does anyone have more screencaps? I don't own the movie. A clip from the blood test scene, on YouTube, reveals that there's quite a bit of blank space on the labels, but I wonder if we can get a better look at the text below and beyond the "UN". If not, I'll guess it's similar to the vintage ones.
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    Oct 21, 2017, 2:40 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #22

    Internet consensus suggests these sticks are usually about 8" by 1-1/8" or 1-1/4". Size may vary by strength, though - bigger stick, bigger boom?

    Of course the props were props, so might have been non-standard sizes anyway. I haven't tried to scale the ones in the movie from other props/scenery. It might be worth attempting.

    Instead, I decided to spend some time today cleaning up my workshop. Wouldn't you know it, one of the first out-of-place items I had to put away was...

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    A cardboard tube, just about 1-1/8" diameter. Well okay then! I sawed off 8", as shown. Ready for label tests.

    I'm not sure where I even got that tube. Probably gift wrap, my favorite source for narrow cardboard tubes.
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    Oct 21, 2017, 2:54 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #23

    Dug a bit more and found this screencap.
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    Notice how you can't see any printing on those sticks at all. So the entire back half is blank and these are all facing away - I guess.

    Note the diagonal wrap line.
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    Oct 21, 2017, 5:06 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #24

    Partly cleaned-up logo. Not perfect, but quite possibly good enough at the size we need.
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    Oct 21, 2017, 5:52 PM - Re: Help Identifying Carpenter's "The Thing" Dynamite brand. #25

    so your gonna have to adjust the "mock up" and print this out at an angle to get the "spiral" wrap of the paper? right?

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