I stand corrected. Although I assume that Disney had actually watched the finished or nearly finished product by that point and knew what they were getting.
For sure.
I stand corrected. Although I assume that Disney had actually watched the finished or nearly finished product by that point and knew what they were getting.
Exactly. And they gave him a trilogy of his own because they like what he's doing. You don't give another movie to a director you think sucks or did your IP a disservice. You definitely don't give them three more movies. Anyone here think Josh Trank is on tap to direct any more superhero movies? If so, I have a lovely bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. And the trilogy deal came after TLJ's release, so don't try to tell me that Disney isn't paying attention to what he did. They like it, they think he's on the right track, and they think it's going to make Star Wars more popular and more of a moneymaker.
One other note: I think it's difficult to evaluate TLJ fully until we see Ep. IX and what happens with the story overall (or, perhaps, even beyond if they don't actually wrap it all up in a bow with Ep. IX, which I could very easily see being the case). It's entirely possible that Rian's trilogy is going to be Eps. X-XII. I wouldn't be surprised if it was, although I also wouldn't be surprised if it was a spinoff trilogy.
What many here see as a bug, Disney sees as a feature that is working exactly the way they want. You disagree? Ok. There'll be other Star Wars for you. But from my perspective, TLJ did the franchise a favor long-term by breaking the mold and showing that you don't just have to ape the past to do a Star Wars film.
@Solo4114 Rian’s new trilogy was actually announced in Nov. prior to TLJ’s release. Fan reaction didn’t play a role, it was a decision that speaks volumes of KK belief in Rian, a belief that continues today.
I guess it depends on what that direction really is and your take on that direction.
Rian has literally said he had no restrictions on him at all and he was free to do whatever he wanted...That's largely where the 'no plan' assertions/assumptions come from.
As for their direction - as the literally wrote into TLJ - Forget the past - kill it off if you have to. And they're doing that literally. Killing off any connection to what created star wars in the first place. I don't think people expected Luke to be a major focus and for him to be kicking @#$% and taking names all over the galaxy. Keep him around as head of the jedi order or something (yoda in the prequels). Yoda wasn't remotely the focus, but had a couple nice action scenes. But it wasn't about him.
Hopefully i'm wrong and IX makes things better, but the impression is that the 'new direction' is screw 1-6 and their characters and frankly, their fans and we want to focus on these new characters and new fans only.
Those 1-6 fans are the reason these things hit the billion mark. But they seem to have not much issue in not caring about them at all. Or at least it appears that way.
I honestly think you guys are wrong
I think the backlash will hit LFL hard financially,.....I think it will show on BD/DVD sales of TLJ & on ticket sales of Ep 9
Time will tell
J
if you watch Ant-Man having never seen ANY Marvel film before, the story stands as a single, contained film. You don't really need to see anything else to understand the rest of it. The longer the series runs, the more interconnected the films become and the more references they make to each other, but even so, the films overall do not require that you know what came before.
if you watch A New Hope or The Phantom Menace having never seen ANY Star Wars film before, the story stands as a single, contained film. You don't really need to see anything else to understand the rest of it. The longer the series runs, the more interconnected the films become and the more references they make to each other, but even so, the films overall do not require that you know what came before.
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I guess it depends on what that direction really is and your take on that direction.
Rian has literally said he had no restrictions on him at all and he was free to do whatever he wanted...That's largely where the 'no plan' assertions/assumptions come from.
As for their direction - as the literally wrote into TLJ - Forget the past - kill it off if you have to. And they're doing that literally. Killing off any connection to what created star wars in the first place. I don't think people expected Luke to be a major focus and for him to be kicking @#$% and taking names all over the galaxy. Keep him around as head of the jedi order or something (yoda in the prequels). Yoda wasn't remotely the focus, but had a couple nice action scenes. But it wasn't about him.
Hopefully i'm wrong and IX makes things better, but the impression is that the 'new direction' is screw 1-6 and their characters and frankly, their fans and we want to focus on these new characters and new fans only.
Those 1-6 fans are the reason these things hit the billion mark. But they seem to have not much issue in not caring about them at all. Or at least it appears that way.
I honestly think you guys are wrong
I think the backlash will hit LFL hard financially,.....I think it will show on BD/DVD sales of TLJ & on ticket sales of Ep 9
Time will tell
J
I don’t think it’s true that LF is trying to abandon any fans. Although some fans feel like TLJ was LF giving them the finger intentionally I don’t believe that’s the intent. It may be the result but it wasn’t a manadate of the process of making these films. Surely R1 and Solo demonstrate their strong support for OT characters and situation. In regards to Luke I am reminded of JJ and Kasdans comments about them breaking the story of TFA. Every time they brought Luke into the story earlier he took over from the new characters and left them superfluous so they kept him out until the end. No doubt Rian found the same issues. Just a thought as to counter the idea they just want to kill these characters off.
By the time box office receipts are counted for IX in ‘19 Disney will have launched their new streaming service and be hungry for all forms of content. The instinct will to have projects in the works for screen and streaming knowing films will end up there. This trilogy is part of that plan no doubt.
I'm still failing to see where giving the OT hero's crap lives post ROTJ is anything but disrespecting them.
And, i've said repeatedly i, and most others didn't expect the new flicks to focus on the older characters. Han, i suppose was treated respectfully...Luke, was simply trashed. You can't tell there weren't good enough writers out there to write a script that didn't turn him in a bitter, non-believing tool who nearly kill his nephew. I reject categorically that was the only way they could make it work. I gave a good example - yoda in the PT. Yoda was in charge but far from the focus of things. Things were focused on the two he sent out to take care of business, Obi and Anakin.
I'd bet anything that had Carrie not died, they'd have killed her in IX as well. There seems a clear choice to rid themselves of the past characters. And, i'm sorry if people dislike the fact that a large number of people disagree with that tact. I'd wager the people here could come up with multiple different avenue's to write them off happily and to have given them decent lives post ROTJ.
Again, 90% of the movie going public only knows the movies. They know of nothing positive for Han/Luke/Leia post ROTJ. They can write all they want in books and comics, but the overwhelming majority will be completely oblivious to it. It's one thing if luke was a badass or whatever for 10-15 years doing lots of good, then the stuff at the academy screwed him up in the head. And technically, that's IS the way it happened. However, 90% of people don't know that. I sorta know it because i heard people reference it here prior to the movie, but i did't read any of that stuff. It felt like doing homework to watch a movie which, really, is unacceptable for a studio to think people will or should do.
As for finances...pfft...it's SW. Licensing is the majority of the money and it isn't close. The prequels grossed 1B BEFORE the first one hit theaters with a licensing deal. They turned a profit on all three before they filmed the first one. You've not got car companies shelling out likely over 7 figures to simply use the damn music and stick a 'see the movie in theaters on this date in the end' all the while the actual car has jack to do with star wars. And...star wars lipstick??
If TLJ wasn't a star wars movie it wouldn't have hit 500M. SW is what sold the rest of it. More specifically, the established fanbase forked out the rest of it. And what did they get? Fallen and/or destroyed hero's who reversed their original character arcs so they could focus on the new crew...I mean seriously, Han/Leia couldn't have been happy still and still found Rey and still died trying to get Ben back? How hard would that have been?
That's what's so baffling, given the firing of other directors that didn't toe the line.Rian has literally said he had no restrictions on him at all and he was free to do whatever he wanted...That's largely where the 'no plan' assertions/assumptions come from.
Mr. Webber, is this you? lol
I'll bet Disney does what the major studios normally do in a
situation like this:
#8 made money but left people disappointed. The studio will only hear "it made money" no matter what other evidence is presented to them, so they think it must be a success.
#9 will take a box office hit no matter how good it might be, because of the collateral damage the previous one left behind. The studio will be oblivious to this cause & effect no matter how obvious it is, and blame #9 for being a misstep even if it wasn't.
I don’t think it’s true that LF is trying to abandon any fans. Although some fans feel like TLJ was LF giving them the finger intentionally I don’t believe that’s the intent. It may be the result but it wasn’t a manadate of the process of making these films. Surely R1 and Solo demonstrate their strong support for OT characters and situation. In regards to Luke I am reminded of JJ and Kasdans comments about them breaking the story of TFA. Every time they brought Luke into the story earlier he took over from the new characters and left them superfluous so they kept him out until the end. No doubt Rian found the same issues. Just a thought as to counter the idea they just want to kill these characters off.