X-WING & TIE PILOT HELMET progress pics
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So basically what you're saying is this:
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Oh now I get it, that makes total sense! I'm a visual learner.
PersonaNonGrata
New Member
Lmfao!
Lmfao.
jedimaster
Sr Member
Very good Gino.... Nice one!
Star Wars Helmets
Sr Member
Gino
Its good that this thread is able to let off steam with some light-hearted posts.
However, you have made certain statements over the provenance of the moulds you have used for this helmet that appear to many (including myself) as purposely misleading. This is a concern since you have already indicated that you will be selling these at some point.
Given you are unwilling to specifically confirm that your TIE replica is in fact cast from an original TIE, I believe it is clear that you are trying to purposely (and potentially fraudulently) misrepresent your helmet to potential buyers.
That is a real shame :thumbsdown
Cheers
Jez
Its good that this thread is able to let off steam with some light-hearted posts.
However, you have made certain statements over the provenance of the moulds you have used for this helmet that appear to many (including myself) as purposely misleading. This is a concern since you have already indicated that you will be selling these at some point.
Given you are unwilling to specifically confirm that your TIE replica is in fact cast from an original TIE, I believe it is clear that you are trying to purposely (and potentially fraudulently) misrepresent your helmet to potential buyers.
That is a real shame :thumbsdown
Cheers
Jez
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Don't waste your time Jez.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
If you have read back, Jez, Gino said he has no intentions on offering the helmet. At least without means to prevent recasting.
Edit: Looking back at Keith's comparison, it also looks like Gino has place his earcaps more centered than the originals, making the tubes appear shorter. So, what is the beef with his helmet, exactly?
I don't believe Jez has any beef with the helmet, only beef I believe he has is the "all cast from original" statement that Gino had made. Whether Gino is willing or not willing to open sales on this tie helmet is beside the point, the point is, is that Gino has made an audacious statement claiming that he has casted these helmets from originals with out any evidence to support it. Being that there were so very few of these helmets made back in 1976, it would be highly improbably that Gino would be honored with (while risking damage) the disassembling of a helmet which easily is worth $100000 if not more, for the sake of casting and reproducing.
Star Wars Helmets
Sr Member
Hi Qui Gonzalez
In post 42, when asked about the source, Gino responded "Nope. All cast from original"
In post 119 Gino said effectively (sic) "pm me for details" when teecrooz asked about availability. In post 126 he merely said no to kits - and only now at that.
From these comments I believe its fair to say that he is offering to sell something that he says is completely cast from an original. However its clear to many that the helmet is most certainly NOT cast from an original (even if we overlook the incorrectly assembled helmet he has shown - there are several glaring inaccuracies).
However, I have merely asked Gino to confirm or deny his earlier point that it is cast from an original TIE helmet, and he is seemingly unwilling to do that.
I'm trying to be reasonable. If it is not actually cast from an original TIE he should simply say that and let the helmet speak for itself. Its a very nice helmet and with some minor changes will do well in market where there are currently very few quality TIE/AT-AT helmets available.
Cheers
Jez
In post 42, when asked about the source, Gino responded "Nope. All cast from original"
In post 119 Gino said effectively (sic) "pm me for details" when teecrooz asked about availability. In post 126 he merely said no to kits - and only now at that.
From these comments I believe its fair to say that he is offering to sell something that he says is completely cast from an original. However its clear to many that the helmet is most certainly NOT cast from an original (even if we overlook the incorrectly assembled helmet he has shown - there are several glaring inaccuracies).
However, I have merely asked Gino to confirm or deny his earlier point that it is cast from an original TIE helmet, and he is seemingly unwilling to do that.
I'm trying to be reasonable. If it is not actually cast from an original TIE he should simply say that and let the helmet speak for itself. Its a very nice helmet and with some minor changes will do well in market where there are currently very few quality TIE/AT-AT helmets available.
Cheers
Jez
UKscout
Well-Known Member
from what I can see, the helmets look good:thumbsup but with a few teaks and minor alterations to be done at the mock up stages/constructing of the helmets
you should have a great looking helmet to add to your collection:eek
I've come to the conclusion over the last 14yr's I couldn't give a dam what the pedigree/history of the helmet is, as long as it looks good in my own opinion
but remember guys it's only a hobby :lol life's too short
you should have a great looking helmet to add to your collection:eek
I've come to the conclusion over the last 14yr's I couldn't give a dam what the pedigree/history of the helmet is, as long as it looks good in my own opinion
but remember guys it's only a hobby :lol life's too short
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I never said Jez had a beef with the helmet. I asked what the beef in general is with it. So far, it seems like the usual suspects doing the usual thing because Gino does not EVER offer up full disclosure of his sources. What gets me is this is how Gino is. He shows things, you take it for what it is and move on, or you act like you all are doing and assail him for his "audacious statement" when it is nothing new. We will likely never know what his sources are, so why bother asking? You all do not like the guy, but continue to prod and poke.
I think your estimate of the price of these things is WAY high, but that is my opinion.
As to whether or not Gino plans to offer these for sale, it is very much the point. If he is keeping them to himself, as he claims(In an unaltered state, of course) then he could say he was with Andrew Ainsworth vacuumforming these things in 1976 and it would not make one shred of difference. You roll your eyes and move on. It is a meaningless point.
Now, were he to offer them up for sale without provenance and keep these claims, then I would say you all have a legitimate gripe about his statements. As of right now, it looks like the usual suspects doing the usual dog piling.
Star Wars Helmets
Sr Member
Thats fine. But the fact that you're not prepared to state categorically that your helmet is cast from an original TIE suggests that it isn't.
I can see now that you probably made a throw away remark when you said "original" since the faceplate is cast off an original stormtrooper helmet. Bottom line is you've produced a really great helmet Gino, just be straight about what it is and what it isn't.
Cheers
Jez
GINO
Sr Member
No, it is cast from original. I'm just not prepared to go into more specific detail than that.
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Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
Then you should not even offer up that detail, Gino. Others have been forthcoming with info when called out on it, and I am speaking about the CFO trooper.
Even without the detail about the origins of your cast, it does not detract from the look. People are within their rights to question you on these things. They are NOT within their rights to toss about barbs and jabs at your credibility in doing so. Like I said earlier, you are not ever fully forthcoming with all of your details, and never have been that I recall. It isn't a bad thing to keep information to yourself. That said, you should not be surprised, nor angered, when people ask questions about your statements.
Look, I am not telling you how you should, or should not post. I am saying that if you feel you are being trolled, you should let the staff handle it. Doing this back and forth about who is more right than who only detracts from what you are putting out there for us all to see.
Even without the detail about the origins of your cast, it does not detract from the look. People are within their rights to question you on these things. They are NOT within their rights to toss about barbs and jabs at your credibility in doing so. Like I said earlier, you are not ever fully forthcoming with all of your details, and never have been that I recall. It isn't a bad thing to keep information to yourself. That said, you should not be surprised, nor angered, when people ask questions about your statements.
Look, I am not telling you how you should, or should not post. I am saying that if you feel you are being trolled, you should let the staff handle it. Doing this back and forth about who is more right than who only detracts from what you are putting out there for us all to see.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I can completely understand your point there. I really do. That said, when you make a boastful claim, however true it is, you simply have to back it up. You were pretty harsh, albeit in an entirely civil manner, with the CFO trooper.
Look, you and everyone else here and in the Vader/Trooper community knows that I generally support you, but I am truly impartial. To the layperson, myself included, it looked like you pounced all over the CFO thread just because they did the same to you. It doesn't change where the suit came from. It doesn't change that they did just as awesome a job with that trooper as you have done with the TIE and X-Wing helmets.
When all was said and done, you went in there pouncing on their claims. (Again, how I read it). It was no different than what they have done in this thread. Hard to take the high road when you are stooping to the same tactics.
I like you, man. You are a good guy to chat with. I like JoeR as well for the very same reasons. Every time we have had an exchange, it has always been personable even when the topic was heated. You guys are great crafters. That is all there is to it. The pissing matches and ego strokings get old fast to those of us who read it.
Remember dude, it's all just plastic.
Look, you and everyone else here and in the Vader/Trooper community knows that I generally support you, but I am truly impartial. To the layperson, myself included, it looked like you pounced all over the CFO thread just because they did the same to you. It doesn't change where the suit came from. It doesn't change that they did just as awesome a job with that trooper as you have done with the TIE and X-Wing helmets.
When all was said and done, you went in there pouncing on their claims. (Again, how I read it). It was no different than what they have done in this thread. Hard to take the high road when you are stooping to the same tactics.
I like you, man. You are a good guy to chat with. I like JoeR as well for the very same reasons. Every time we have had an exchange, it has always been personable even when the topic was heated. You guys are great crafters. That is all there is to it. The pissing matches and ego strokings get old fast to those of us who read it.
Remember dude, it's all just plastic.
Keith
Sr Member
Art, in my posts i have been asking Gino to assemble the helmet with more of the tubes showing. This was before i posted the comparison photos and before Gino said anything about his assembly being different than the originals.
In reply to what you were saying here Art:
"wouldn't it stand to reason that if the ears remained in the same place and you pushed the faceplate down, it would begin to pinch the bottoms of the tubes and if you grabbed the helmet at the vocoder and pulled it out at the bottom, the pivot point would also end up further compressing the tubes?"
I would agree with you there, but Gino's ears should not remain in the same place. His ears need to be moved to match the originals and in moving them to match the originals, the ears would not be pinching the tubes, as they would flow inline with the them.
Anyway, I don't think i could have given the helmets more praise if i tried, but at the same time, as with most things, i could see improvments could be made. Then as soon as i point out the parts that could be improved, i automatically become some sort of enemy.
I truly was hoping to see the helmet improved, but now (again) i couldn't care less.
Keith.
Son of Skywalker
Well-Known Member
Been so busy I missed this thread....
Extraordinary & beautiful work Gino!
I'm really looking forward to seeing your AT-AT :thumbsup
Extraordinary & beautiful work Gino!
I'm really looking forward to seeing your AT-AT :thumbsup
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