Will there ever be another LICENSED, accurate , quality Vader helmet?

Anovos scans the props...you loose lots of details with this process..thats good if you wanna do some changes for size and shape later on a PC.Good for a costume company like Anovos is.
But from the replica side a direct siliconmold is the way to go.
That is not entirely correct. A 3D scan can capture the same or better detail than a silicone mold, all depending on what equipment and settings you use. However, it is true that licensed companies tend to clean up their product from the details many of us here want them to retain - they even tend to alter the shapes away from original because they think they are "improving" things. I don't understand why they can't see that RS Props has proven that getting it über accurate is viable as well for their insane detail edition versions, like I originally assumed the eFX Legend line was going to be.

Regarding the OT's question, then it all depends on what new company pops up and whether they are the same kind of people running the other replica prop companies or whether they are like RS Props + what LFL will allow.
 
That is not entirely correct. A 3D scan can capture the same or better detail than a silicone mold, all depending on what equipment and settings you use. However, it is true that licensed companies tend to clean up their product from the details many of us here want them to retain - they even tend to alter the shapes away from original because they think they are "improving" things. I don't understand why they can't see that RS Props has proven that getting it über accurate is viable as well for their insane detail edition versions, like I originally assumed the eFX Legend line was going to be.

Regarding the OT's question, then it all depends on what new company pops up and whether they are the same kind of people running the other replica prop companies or whether they are like RS Props + what LFL will allow.

The problem is not the scan alone.You need to print and rework it later to get the master.So many stages for mistakes.

And about RS: RS is selling not legal copys.They can do what they want because they are in the UK.If they would need an agreement from Disney/Lucasfilm it would be another story.
 
That is not entirely correct. A 3D scan can capture the same or better detail than a silicone mold, all depending on what equipment and settings you use. However, it is true that licensed companies tend to clean up their product from the details many of us here want them to retain - they even tend to alter the shapes away from original because they think they are "improving" things. I don't understand why they can't see that RS Props has proven that getting it über accurate is viable as well for their insane detail edition versions, like I originally assumed the eFX Legend line was going to be.

Regarding the OT's question, then it all depends on what new company pops up and whether they are the same kind of people running the other replica prop companies or whether they are like RS Props + what LFL will allow.
Some of it relates to the type of license the vendor has. Anovos has a costume license. If they made all of their Vader items the same size as the originals, very few people would be able to wear them. I think they may have altered certain helmets to make them fit more common head sizes. In general I think their helmets are really close to original size, it's the costume parts that may be different sizes. In the case of Vader a more typical sized costume throws off the look of the whole suit.

The licensed vendor can only do what the license holder allows. The license holder doesn't want replicas that are exact copies of original props. Some people prefer fan made props because of this. For props from recent films/shows, the licensed vendors have access to actual props. The fan makers generally don't. Even if the licensed vendor isn't allowed to make an exact copy, their version usually has better dimensions than what someone can create from photos.
 
yeah...maybe its time to snag a raw cast lineage Fett from RS Props while they're still 'cheap'. : )
 
In terms of true-lineage ESB helmets, are there any still in production? I know Mike Warren's ESB is a 3D scan of an ESB stunt helmet but I'm lukewarm on calling that direct lineage, although its a great looking helmet!
 
So help me out with this, and I appreciate your indulging the noob here....
I know enough about the basic history of the licensing ordeal with LFL and Shepperton Design Studios, and have watched some of their production videos, but I'm still a bit unclear about exactly how accurate these pieces are, and have heard somewhat negative rumblings about them over the years. Their ESB Vader looks stunning though, as do their other pieces!

On that same note, RS Propmasters I assume, are flying under that same radar, when it came to the licensing ruling?
Those guys make awesome pieces as well, and seem like good people who genuinely love what they do and take lineage and accuracy to heart.
 
So help me out with this, and I appreciate your indulging the noob here....
I know enough about the basic history of the licensing ordeal with LFL and Shepperton Design Studios, and have watched some of their production videos, but I'm still a bit unclear about exactly how accurate these pieces are, and have heard somewhat negative rumblings about them over the years. Their ESB Vader looks stunning though, as do their other pieces!

On that same note, RS Propmasters I assume, are flying under that same radar, when it came to the licensing ruling?
Those guys make awesome pieces as well, and seem like good people who genuinely love what they do and take lineage and accuracy to heart.
yes RS uses the same loophole opened by SDS. (IIRC the only useful thing SDS did for the community by provoking LFL)
 
certain particular uk copyright/copyrights expired = public domain so you can vac suck & blow etc to your hearts content
no laws broken = happy days woo :lol:
 
If there's one thing I've learned from reading the RPF, it's that "accurate" means basically nothing, yet at the same time, means everything. If you want an "accurate" prop, say, a Vader helmet, you need to know if you want it from Episode 3, 4, 5, 6, Rogue One, the Holiday Special, a "personal appearance" Vader helmet like the one in the current Prop Store auction, or any other appearance. Then you need to know which scene you want it from, since several helmets were used in each movie. Then you'll get people telling you that it's inaccurate and sending pictures with red circles and arrows, while others tell you "no, it's screen accurate for those 3 frames where Vader..."
And then you ask for a licensed, mass-produced prop (or TOY,) expecting total accuracy, for $100.
Don't get me wrong, it's fascinating to me to read how people scour flea markets and swap meets for that one type of wire connector that was used on a prop, that was only made for a week in 1973 for Soviet nuclear submarines. I've found parts like that myself. And people have made perfect recreations of props using duplicates of the original parts. But for the most part, compromises have to be made. There are safety laws for things like helmets. They have to fit someone other than David Prowse. Your kids still need to go to college. For probably 90% of people, "good enough" is good enough. I build models, and lately I've been on a "out of the box" kick. I've been obsessive over getting detail sets and painting every switch and rivet, and I found that modeling had pretty much stopped being fun. So I have several stalled projects. In the past year, I've finished more kits than I have in the previous 5 years, because I allowed myself to say "that's good enough. Moving on." If you want to obsess, obsess. If you want a Vader helmet to throw in a Detolf for the next 20 years, it's okay to get one that looks good to you.
 
Speaking of those many differences, in general, what IS the main differences between the ESB and ROTJ Vaders?
The domes?
I see something in the lenses too, and maybe just the way the film is shot, but ROTJ doesn't look as "two toned" as ESB and ANH do.
He looks almost all shiny black.
 
There is an entire thread devoted to your question. It goes through the evolution of the helmet and explains every different variation.
 

How was Vader's helmet modified from ANH to ESB to ROTJ
 
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I know I personally would love to have a Vader costume if there were affordable scaled down versions of that costume being made. Not all of us are built like David Prowse.

Perhaps one day I'll build one to fit me. It won't be accurate by the 501st standards or by the knowledgeable members here, but man it really would be cool to have one some day!
 
I know I personally would love to have a Vader costume if there were affordable scaled down versions of that costume being made. Not all of us are built like David Prowse.

Perhaps one day I'll build one to fit me. It won't be accurate by the 501st standards or by the knowledgeable members here, but man it really would be cool to have one some day!
Yes! Would love it if there were more vader costume parts that were scaled down and still accurate!
 
easiest way to get a scaled down vader would be to 3d print the armor at different generic sizes and go from there. If you really wanted keep the accuracy of the original you could scan it, then scale it.
Yup, that would be the only way. And if the licensed company has an in-house large resin printer, they can do the masters themselves.
 
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