Westworld (HBO)

Man, I wasn't looking at the screen when the conversation started, and when I heard that voice, my head jerked up and was all "ZOEY?!"

I'm okay if it's just a small part like this. It was a real treat to see her regardless.

I knew that I recognized the voice but couldn't put a face to it but as soon as I saw her face I realized who it was. I even looked up the episode online to see who was in the cast just to make sure it was really her.


Thomas Jane has a cameo too, so I'm wondering if some of these characters are going to be larger roles later on.

I did not see Thomas Jane. When did he appear?
 
Teddy and his female companion shoot him. It was a very quick scene.

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My theory about The Man in Black being William, to elaborate, is that we are seeing someone play the game for the first time as a young man, and then for the last time as an old man.

William arrives for the first time, the train, the sets, the woman who introduces him to the game, and his hat are white. I'm also wondering if he isn't involved in the incident Bernard mentions.

His final time in the game, the time he intends to maybe die in the game, or maybe to become part of the game forever as a clone or something, he's playing it as a "straight evil" character. Though I suspect he's played the game both ways many times in 30 years.

I was buying into the theory of different timelines as well, but I feel that episode three threw a bit of a wrench into that idea.

Again, like I said earlier, the show is doing a good job of "hiding" it's timelines, so any evidence can be easily dispelled by future storytelling...however...this is the reason it threw a wrench into the two timeline idea to me...

We see Bernard talking to Dolores after we've already heard them discussing that the hosts are talking to someone named Arnold. So we are led to believe that this would be in the "now" timeframe. They've made it a point to mention that the hosts are hearing disembodied voices.

We then have Dolores end up killing the guy in the barn...after she hears a disembodied voice. I believe this means that it's also in the "now" timeline.

After she rides away from the farm, she ends up running into William and Logan. So, she has run into William and Logan in the same timeline that we are learning that the hosts are hearing the voice of Arnold, which would seem to be the "now" timeline.

When the Man in Black was going on his search for the entrance to the maze, a couple of techs discussed him. The setting that they were in looked no different than the setting that we see in the "now" timeline, so that leads me to believe that the Man in Black is in the current timeline, and since we have seen Dolores run into William and Logan in the "now" timeline that says to me that there aren't two different timelines.

Now, again, the storytelling hasn't been very transparent with it's showing of time...so it's entirely possible that the scene when Dolores runs into William and Logan is ACTUALLY something completely separate from the "now" timeline...for instance, in the next episode we may see William and Logan accompany her back to the farm and come across Teddy's body, which would clearly indicate that Teddy was there which would of course tell us that her running into them was from a different playing of the story than the one where she kills the other dude.
 
It was easy to miss, and easy to miss that it was him.

How did you find out that was Thomas Jane? I just looked at IMDb where everyone who was given credit in all 10 episodes was listed and I did not see his name.

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Man, I wasn't looking at the screen when the conversation started, and when I heard that voice, my head jerked up and was all "ZOEY?!"

I'm okay if it's just a small part like this. It was a real treat to see her regardless.

I looked on IMDb where they listed the whole cast and how many episodes they were in and she is only listed for one episode.
 
So what's up with the 'magic' guns?

If they are firing some kind of 'soft' round, as indicated when William was shot by the bandit, how do the impact wounds on the hosts work? Are they made of squibs?
 
In the Original Westworld the Guns had a Sensor that could tell Human from Machine by heat signature. Here I think the bullets have the sensors and are soft, a bit softer than a paintball on detecting a guest, and hard on detecting a host. Just my 02C.
 
In the Original Westworld the Guns had a Sensor that could tell Human from Machine by heat signature. Here I think the bullets have the sensors and are soft, a bit softer than a paintball on detecting a guest, and hard on detecting a host. Just my 02C.


Thats what i was thinking.

I was wondering if maybe maybe they can detect human or host, and then somehow a different "charge" is used in the round. Basically it uses less powder if it detects a human, and more if it detects a host. We've seen that the technology in the park is completely beyond what we have now, so I feel it's no stretch for the bullets to be some kind of auto-select-fire rounds.
 
So, on the strength of the show, the hubby and I went back and watched the movie last night. I think I might have watched it once when I was a kid, but I definitely didn't remember a lot of it. So... much... camp. And good gods, James Brolin has some magnificent eyebrows!

Overall, I was entertained and now feel prepared to pick up on potential clues in the show since they do reference the "incident" 30 years ago. :)
 
I'm having a couple of nagging questions that I hope aren't plot holes.

First of all, if Ed Harris is going around scalping hosts, wouldn't you think the handlers would have noticed by now? If so, aren't they even fazed by it since each scalp has that cryptic maze? I really hope they don't just notice later on - "What? How come nobody told us about this?" While some clueless character says, "Whats the big deal? It's just some guest living out a homicidal fantasy, right?"

Also the scale of Westworld is a bit confusing. At first we're told how vast the park was but, so far, the cast of hosts seems pretty small. e.g. of all the courtesans in the brothel only one seems to be proactive about getting clients. Maybe there's a heiarchy of hosts where the more complex behaviors are mapped onto hosts that drive narratives while the rest have more generic (NPC) programming. So, for purposes of the story, it's only relevant to focus on certain "key" hosts. I hope that's the case because otherwise it would seem inconsistent with the supposed scale of this theme park.

I'm a little concerned this might become another "Lost." I didn't see it before but I see it now. Please don't let it be so.
 
I'm having a couple of nagging questions that I hope aren't plot holes.

First of all, if Ed Harris is going around scalping hosts, wouldn't you think the handlers would have noticed by now? If so, aren't they even fazed by it since each scalp has that cryptic maze? I really hope they don't just notice later on - "What? How come nobody told us about this?" While some clueless character says, "Whats the big deal? It's just some guest living out a homicidal fantasy, right?"

Also the scale of Westworld is a bit confusing. At first we're told how vast the park was but, so far, the cast of hosts seems pretty small. e.g. of all the courtesans in the brothel only one seems to be proactive about getting clients. Maybe there's a heiarchy of hosts where the more complex behaviors are mapped onto hosts that drive narratives while the rest have more generic (NPC) programming. So, for purposes of the story, it's only relevant to focus on certain "key" hosts. I hope that's the case because otherwise it would seem inconsistent with the supposed scale of this theme park.

I'm a little concerned this might become another "Lost." I didn't see it before but I see it now. Please don't let it be so.

Theres been nothing to suggest that EACH scalp has a maze. Ed Harris has killed numerous hosts, yet only scalped one. This would suggest that he was looking for a specific host to find the maze map. In the trailer for episode 4, Bernard tells Dolores about the maze. It's made to sound like it's some kind of test to help advance the programming...which is something that Ford apparently does not want. If that is the case then it stands to reason that the techs and people that rebuild hosts would be unaware of a map printed on the inside of Kissy's scalp, because it would have been put there by only one or several "higher ups," and would assume it's just another guest at the park being a depraved lunatic...like what appears to be just about every other guest.

As for your second question, why would they focus on hosts that aren't central to the story they're trying to tell? They're essentially extras in the story we are seeing, but that doesn't mean that they aren't fully functioning resident hosts that go on adventures and get murdered regularly...it just means they aren't going on adventures or getting murdered with any relevance to the story we as viewers are being told.
 
Theres been nothing to suggest that EACH scalp has a maze. Ed Harris has killed numerous hosts, yet only scalped one. This would suggest that he was looking for a specific host to find the maze map. In the trailer for episode 4, Bernard tells Dolores about the maze. It's made to sound like it's some kind of test to help advance the programming...which is something that Ford apparently does not want. If that is the case then it stands to reason that the techs and people that rebuild hosts would be unaware of a map printed on the inside of Kissy's scalp, because it would have been put there by only one or several "higher ups," and would assume it's just another guest at the park being a depraved lunatic...like what appears to be just about every other guest.

As for your second question, why would they focus on hosts that aren't central to the story they're trying to tell? They're essentially extras in the story we are seeing, but that doesn't mean that they aren't fully functioning resident hosts that go on adventures and get murdered regularly...it just means they aren't going on adventures or getting murdered with any relevance to the story we as viewers are being told.

^ Just about summed up what I would have said.

I know what you mean about being apprehensive, but surely you're kind of ruining your own enjoyment of the show chief, by erring on the worry side!
 
There was a second host scalped, but I don't think it was by TMIB. The sheriff who malfunctioned when a fly landed on his face showed up scapled when the techs looked at him. I think those are the only 2 scalpings we have seen so far. But I may have missed another.

As for Thomas Jane, I didn't "find out" it was him, I know him. I moderate his comic book company message boards, and I've worked convention with him at RAW's booth. He's a good guy, and he has a deep adoration for westerns. He's been trying to get a western called "A Magnificent Death By A Shattered Hand" off the ground for a few years now.
 
There was a second host scalped, but I don't think it was by TMIB. The sheriff who malfunctioned when a fly landed on his face showed up scapled when the techs looked at him. I think those are the only 2 scalpings we have seen so far. But I may have missed another.

As for Thomas Jane, I didn't "find out" it was him, I know him. I moderate his comic book company message boards, and I've worked convention with him at RAW's booth. He's a good guy, and he has a deep adoration for westerns. He's been trying to get a western called "A Magnificent Death By A Shattered Hand" off the ground for a few years now.

Awesome :thumbsup

His Punisher film is a massively underrated comic book adaptation I think - gets a lot of flak that it doesn't fully deserve, considering it was in the leading charge to bring comics to the big screen when it came out. I still scream to my friend Maria in the same voice that he shouts in the Pier scene, haha.

And the Vegan Police in Scott Pilgrim.
 
There was a second host scalped, but I don't think it was by TMIB. The sheriff who malfunctioned when a fly landed on his face showed up scapled when the techs looked at him. I think those are the only 2 scalpings we have seen so far. But I may have missed another.

As for Thomas Jane, I didn't "find out" it was him, I know him. I moderate his comic book company message boards, and I've worked convention with him at RAW's booth. He's a good guy, and he has a deep adoration for westerns. He's been trying to get a western called "A Magnificent Death By A Shattered Hand" off the ground for a few years now.

I just went back and checked. The sheriff has a large cut around his forehead, however his scalp is still there.

The techs make no mention of it at all. When I first watched it I figured it was something they had done themselves during the diagnostic process...to check for physical hardware problems. That was my take on it, at least.
 
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