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With the new install of vBSEO are the members going to be held accountable for what it pulls and dynamically decides to inject into your post?

Say for instance you link to an innocent site and it pulls a nasty title off that site and injects that wording into your post, is the member responsible since the forum itself is the one that changed your post?

Not a big fan of the forum editing my post at will, kinda impolite in my mind...

** Edit lookie there it just edited my post, highlighting it's name as an acronym, cute...
 
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Actually the acronyms tags feature will be great asset for the unbelievable amount of acronyms we have (think new members). In regard to changing the content of external links to reflect the title of the link content... you are welcome to look for an "innocent link" that just magically happens to pull back a nasty title. I don't doubt that you could find one if you really put your heart in it (and I know you will to try to prove your point) but until it actually becomes an issue, we are not too worried about it.

As with virtually anything that is automated, the system can be taken advantage of and if we feel it is, we will respond appropriately. If someone truly does post a link and a magic title gremlin comes along and puts in a bad title... of course we aren't going to hold the OP responsible, but we are more than willing to deal with those occasions on a per incident basis.

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oh are you still here? That was just me counting down the seconds until Flynn posts a link to prove his point (you can hold you breath... it won't take him long).

That was also me counting down until someone jumps on the bandwagon to voice their outrage and indignation (and no doubt it will come from one of less than 6 members)...

On a final note, I want to congratulate you guys... you almost made it a whole 24 hours before finding something you didn't like!

Carry on. :thumbsup
 
I only asked after I noticed it editing two links I put into a post earlier and saw an issue that could raise problems since the poster has no control over the title of a linked page...

Carry on...
 
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oh are you still here? That was just me counting down the seconds until Flynn posts a link to prove his point (you can hold you breath... it won't take him long).

That was also me counting down until someone jumps on the bandwagon to voice their outrage and indignation (and no doubt it will come from one of less than 6 members)...

On a final note, I want to congratulate you guys... you almost made it a whole 24 hours before finding something you didn't like!
I just want to ask WTF? What's with the condescending attitude? I have no clue what this thread is about, but it's apparently about automatic editing of posts for some reason... and you come back with a snarky reply to someone's concern. Bad form. :thumbsdown
 
Carsten in Art's defence Flynn's mission in life seems to argue every single point in every single thread, arguing for the sake of arguing.
 
Art,

Great attitude, and you tell other people to watch themselves, and this is how you behave. Shouldn't you of all people be above this?

Trooper421,

As for Flynn, he is extremely talented when it comes to forums and has offered tons of advice that I believe theRPF has actually utilized from time to time.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't sought his advice in the past for problems.

Tom


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oh are you still here? That was just me counting down the seconds until Flynn posts a link to prove his point (you can hold you breath... it won't take him long).

That was also me counting down until someone jumps on the bandwagon to voice their outrage and indignation (and no doubt it will come from one of less than 6 members)...

On a final note, I want to congratulate you guys... you almost made it a whole 24 hours before finding something you didn't like!

Carry on. :thumbsup

Carry on.
 
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I just want to ask WTF? What's with the condescending attitude? I have no clue what this thread is about, but it's apparently about automatic editing of posts for some reason... and you come back with a snarky reply to someone's concern. Bad form. :thumbsdown

Sweet! One of six! (How is that for condescending and snarky?) :lol

As for Flynn, he is extremely talented when it comes to forums and has offered tons of advice that I believe theRPF has actually utilized from time to time.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't sought his advice in the past for problems.

Tom, you will get no arguments from me on that point. Flynn IS very educated and intelligent when it comes to a great many subjects (including forums) and he indeed CAN be a great asset to the site, when he chooses to be. But for me, that is the problem... Flynn IS very smart, much too smart to ask questions like this without them coming off as leading and pot-stirring.

With the new install of vBSEO are the members going to be held accountable for what it pulls and dynamically decides to inject into your post?

I almost feel like this is pointless to explain, because I feel this IS a pot-stirring thread and not a thread of sincerely inquiry, but for the sake of those, like Carsten, who don't quite understand what Flynn is talking about.

There are two primary aspects of a link, the link itself and what is known as the anchor text. The url link is self explanatory. The anchor text is the actual text you see on the page that is usually blue and underlined. The anchor text masks the link and allows you to give the url a more formatted and meaningful appearance.

There are two main ways to create links within vBulletin. First, you can just type a URL into you post and the software automatically recognizes it as a link and adds the appropriate tags to create a working link (GASP... the software is editing your post and has been for years! :lol) When links are created this way they are raw links and don't have any anchor text which is considered poor form.

The second way of creating a link is by clicking the link icon
createlink.gif
in the menu bar. When you create a link this way (which is the preferable method but slower than just throwing the url into your text) you are given the opportunity to add anchor text to the link you are creating.

Because most members tend to use the first method, you have a lot of raw links with no anchor text.

With vbSEO (a pretty standard add-on to vBulletin software we installed as part of the maintenance the other night when the site was down) if it sees a raw link with no anchor text, it will pull the title of the page you are linking and insert that text as the anchor text. Simple as that.

If you add your own anchor text, even if that anchor text IS the raw link, vbSEO will (usually... it is a bit touchy if you leave the raw link as the anchor text) not replace it. It only acts if you leave no anchor text.

So, getting back to the non-issue at hand... Flynn's question was what will the staff do if someone posts an "innocent" link without adding any anchor text and vbSEO pulls the page title of the link and the page title happens to contain something unsavory... now Flynn and I have had quite a few conversations and he is no dummy, and he also has a reasonably good idea of how we operate, so I see his asking a very loaded question on a hot-button issue that is sure to get others (who are ultra-sensitive about any editing of their content) all worked up as nothing but stirring the pot because I don't believe he is truly looking for the answer I believe, given his intelligence and his past dealings with us, he already has a reasonable idea of what our response would be if an automated system that WE installed created an issue within a member's post.

That is about all I know to say. You can "bad form" all day long, but when we believe a thread is nothing but a pot-stirrer (and we believe this one is, especially since Flynn could have just as easily PMed the question if he were truly concerned), you simply are not going to get cuddles and kisses or a faux showing of civility.
 
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BTW.... for the few of you who might actually be interested in the technical aspects...

Here is a link created using the link icon in the menu bar. I have added the anchor text myself. As you see, the site did not replace it.

Art's link to eBay

Here is the same link, again, created by using the link icon in the menu bar but without me adding my own anchor text. Note that the software automatically assigns the actual URL as the anchor text. While vbSEO may try to reformat the link, if you place the URL in as the anchor text, it should not reformat it. I honestly need to look at this because this particular method seems a bit quirky. Sometimes it reformats and sometimes it doesn't.

www.ebay.com

Finally, here is the way most people enter a link, by simply typing the URL into the post.

eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices

You will notice you don't see the URL because vbSEO has picked up that this link has no anchor text, has checked the link and pulled the anchor text from the linked page's title (in this case, eBay) and inserted that as the anchor text.
 
What is the reason for the redirect in the links now?

Art, initial response was at your reply to Flynn's post. However, why is there a need to redirect like it does now?

I do not understand what purpose this serves:

http://www.bladerunnerprops.com/htt...to/?redirect=http://www.bladerunnerprops.com/

This is just a test:
Propsummit.com a Blade Runner Prop Community Forum BladeRunnerProps.comIndex
Propsummit.com a Blade Runner Prop Community Forum BladeRunnerProps.comIndex

If I understand correctly, both of you are asking the same question.

If you will notice, the only time you see this redirect is in private forums that are not visible to the public which include this forum, the OT, Announcements, and the Junkyard.

Paraphrased from vbSEO:
Links from private forums are redirected through an internal script in order to hide URLs from private forums in server logs on external sites, thus protecting your privacy.

Essentially, the idea is to keep private forum content private, including outbound links.

Tom,

if you will look at a post you made outside a private forum, like this one:

http://www.therpf.com/f9/my-blade-runner-stuff-85812/#post1217087

you will see your same signature links, which are redirected within the private forum are not redirected on the public forum.
 
Carsten, if you weren't wanted here, would I bother writing you as many PM's as I have explaining different things?
 
Art, understood, and I think it is a neat idea. Though, I still think you took Flynn's post a little too hard.

From looking at it, all he was concerned about was the automatic editing of posts. I think this is a honest thing to worry about, especially with the experience that Flynn has with this type of stuff. Though, I am not an expert, just a concerned member, but have no issues with how you explained it just recently.

Otherwise, I need to get that index out of my site description...lol
 
I still think you took Flynn's post a little too hard.

I stand by my assessment of the situation but will concede to your feeling that I could have worded it better and in a less confrontational tone. Point taken on coming across more harshly than needed.


Otherwise, I need to get that index out of my site description...lol

?? Which index is that? You lost me there. For propsummit?
 
I don't understand the reasoning behind hiding the direct URL,
but don't see what difference it makes either.

Simple solution is to name the link yourself then there's no worries about it getting changed......For those among us who have seen this discussion and are now concerned, who are not code gods--not that I am, far from it!!, but here are two simple ways to do it.....

All you have to do is copy the URL onto the clipboard > type in the name you want the link to have > RPF Main Page > highlight that text > select insert link icon from the editing menu > paste in the URL > click OK and there you have your named link....

RPF Main Page

Or you can type it in yourself...

The open and close CODE tags don't seem to be working here to keep the code from executing like it's suppose to so....using image....

named%20link.jpg


That's all there is to it.........
Then you ain't got nobody messin' wid your stuff.............

Shylaah
 
Simple solution is to name the link yourself then there's no worries about it getting changed.

Shylaah, you absolutely nailed it!

Here is a sad admission I have to make... After using vB for over 6 years... I never knew until about a month ago that you could just type a url into your post and vBulletin would automatically make it into a link. I have ALWAYS used the link button which gives you the opportunity to add anchor text and didn't realize there was any other way! Interestingly, it would seem that most people who post here just throw the raw link in and let vB do its thing (which means no anchor text is given).
 
Can we have an option to disable this in our cp?

No, but when you are making a post with links if you are truly concerned about having a page title added to your link, you can scroll down to Miscellaneous Options section and uncheck "Automatically retrieve titles from external links" or you could just add your own title in as Shylaah pointed out.
 
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