VADER BELT BOXES

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by Replicator1701, Feb 21, 2006.

  1. Replicator1701

    Replicator1701 Well-Known Member

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    I'm guessing around 4 1/2 X 3 X 2,
    Is that even close?
     
  2. CTF

    CTF Sr Member

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    I'm sorry to say the folks with the actual dimensions won't give them out... But then again, it is guess work. So just do a bit of study of some stills and you'll find them yourself. :)
     
  3. KevVader

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    Which version? They do differ in size within the OT....

    If someone pm's you the info...let the rest of us know. :D
     
  4. vader71

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    For ESB and ROTJ thats very close. Maybe a bit taller than 3" though.
     
  5. Replicator1701

    Replicator1701 Well-Known Member

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    I'm collecting for a ROTJ custume. I figure that they are made from project boxes for electronics. I've seen both aluminum and plastic at my local electronics store. I was just hoping someone would be nice enough to share the size info.
     
  6. darth_manu

    darth_manu Well-Known Member

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    ^ ask GINO?
    hah but i doubt he'll tell u
     
  7. gonk27

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    Hi Replicator, I can help with ROTJ dimensions.


    I found some dimensions puporting to be accurate for Jedi boxes somewhere online, (I can't remember where) allegedly measured directly from an original costume part.

    For Jedi the boxes were quoted as being:

    4.375" x 3.375" x 2.375"



    Someone here sourced great metal project boxes virtually the same size made by Bud Industies at Allied Electronics, I forget who it was but THANKS AGAIN. whoever you are :)

    The boxes available here, vary only by about one or two tenths of an inch from the real measurememts.

    http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDe...&DESC=AN%2D1304
    "Sealed die-cast aluminum enclosure"

    They seem to have no photo available but trust me they look great, you'll need to fill screw holes in each corner of the outer facing though, but if you want metal I'd recommend these for their near perfect size alone.


    Jeremy
     
  8. Durasteel Corporation

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    I know exactly where those measurements came from...ie, the source and they arent screen accurate. In fact I can say they were a prototype. ;)


    I have an original steel ESB/ROTJ vintage enclosure. My guess is that is easily 40 years old given the oxidation. Has what looks like the word Angein or Anjom on it. Ive got no idea what that means. French??

    Those quoted dimensions are not quite right but you could get away if you werent too concerned about super screen accuracy. Unfortunately yes they are impossible to find. :unsure

    Oh and as far as modern enclosures....if they are cast, they are not square.

    Translation: they are slanted to accunt for drafting and water glancing.


    I spent three frickin years trying fellas which is why I started making them:

    [​IMG]

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    Some of the modern cast versions have very thin screw holes which will yank out from the belt pressure (one of the other reasons I dont use them). I tried these with my first pair of bud boxes, and the backplate ripped open after a few costumed events. :angry
     
  9. GINO

    GINO Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I'm calling you out on that statement Durasteel.
    I don't believe you have an original vintage (or modern for that matter) ESB/ROTJ enclosure.
    It is my opinion that you like to embelish in order to draw attention to your belt sales. Which if they are being touted as taken from original ESB/ROTJ style box, is totally untrue.

    I absolutely hate when people make claims like that when it is obviously untrue in the eyes of people who know better. Problem is that most people don't know better and those are the ones who get taken advantage of.
     
  10. CTF

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    They came from DJ, if I remember correctly? Probably a tour suit or proto as Drew said, but I reckon they could've been ROTJ boxes.
     
  11. Durasteel Corporation

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    Thanks for the imput Mr. Info Share ;) You have a long history of taking without giving Gino (which amusingly enough was alluded to above no less). And you call me a liar to top it off. Seems to me you were warned by the moderators to stop. In fact I recall three times when you tried this same stunt. Absolutely amazing.

    Now, if you quit blaming other people and did some intelligent research you might score a box too. Here a hint....try Europe. Wow...thats a revelation. :rolleyes

    But by all means, Gino....please share. Oh, wait, I forgot...you dont.
     
  12. GINO

    GINO Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I'm just calling it as I see it and it's not cool to sell people stuff under the false assumption that what they are getting was taken from something that you don't have.

    As far as me sharing, you got it all wrong. I DO share. I share a lot actually. Only I share with those close to me, like minded, and not with the public at large. That would explain why you are out of the loop.

    Here's one for you.

    [image]http://www.biovitasteak.com/gino/vader_closeup.JPG[/image]
     
  13. SHalamar

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    So... what would be a good source for someone who is trying to put together an ESB Vader? If the few who know the dimensions aren't saying, and say everyone else is wrong.. what is the point?
     
  14. anakin

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    I guess sometimes the point is lost on the majority, by those that refuse to share in the info. Don't get discouraged - keep diging around, you might get lucky.
     
  15. SHalamar

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    Well, Seeing as how I have the prop making aptitude of a drunk Penguin, I'll pourchase the chest box, and belt boxes when I'm ready. But it is extemely discouraging to know that they won't be 'accurate', because some love to horde the knowledge.
     
  16. vader71

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    Looks great.

    Can we see a few more?

    The boxes that are 4.375 x 3.375 are reasonably close, I believe they should be just a little bigger. less than a 0.25 inch.
     
  17. GINO

    GINO Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Thanks.
    Here's another one.

    Also, for those who don't understand the apprehension for some to not give away the farm in terms of their research or findings, I say you haven't been in the hobby long enough. It certainly is not hoarding for the sake of being selfish. I tend to share things with people who think like me in regards to props, have the exact same goals in mind, and those who I've established a sense of trust with.

    [image]http://www.biovitasteak.com/gino/vader_trooper.JPG[/image]
     
  18. vader71

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    Thanks for sharing anouther shot. I enjoy seeing the better Vaders.
    :)

    Its a motivation to push me to get to the finish line with mine someday. But mine is ANH and as noted there is yet to be a perfect helmet.

    Question if I may, is the belt and boxes the only weathered item on the Vader?
     
  19. SHalamar

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    Theoretically, it shouldn't be too difficult to get near accurate dimensions on those belt boxes, based on those pics. If you know precise dimensions of any of the items on Vader, You should be able to extrapolate the size of the boxes.

    Still, it is incredibly disenheartening. A prop board where.. people don't share about props? Bizarre.
     
  20. Qui-Gonzalez

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    Disheartening, yes but not without reason. Some of the crafters here have been burned and burned badly from seemingly innocuous requests, like belt box dimensions or hi res photos for example. As of now on the RPF, it is the nature of the beast. People have invested sometimes hundreds of man hours in research. Some of it is digging with people who are truly in the know, other times it is attempting to get measurements from exhibits and such.

    While sad to see, I can readily understand where they are coming from in their reluctance. You will get close approximations from just blowing up some good pics to lifesize and working from there.
     
  21. Darth Kahnt

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    I think thats respectable.
     
  22. GINO

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    The boxes aren't as much weathered as that they just have some paint scraped off in specific areas. I used good reference to match the scrapes as best as I could.
    I tried to replicate the sloppy paint and craftmanship as best as possible on the other items using reference as well. Up close and in person, you can see the sloppiness on the armor and chestbox, hard to see in those pics though.
     
  23. SHalamar

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    I can understand that. Where re-casters are loathed for making money off of someone elses hard work. Someone comes out and says 'The item is really 'X'.' And someone else makes big bucks off of it.

    I just want as accurate a Vader as I can be. :p
     
  24. vader71

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    Cool.
    I did the same with on the belt I made, using photo reference to scrape paint off to try to replicate the photos. Actually works really well if you skip the primer the paint comes off fairly easy.

    Do you have all three on display yet or just one at a time?
     
  25. GINO

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    Unfortunately just one mannequin. I can only display one at a time. :(

    I was hoping Dark Shadow's vader mannequin project would come to fruition but it seems that I'll have to build two more like the one I have. Major pain in the *.

    Sorry for going off topic for a moment.
     
  26. anakin

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    Gino my comment wasn't directed toward you - simply generalized. Still love your Vader - one of the best I've seen.
     
  27. RGPFX

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    Some people have observed that the coin slots on Vader's chest box may have been from the same source as the coin slots on R2D2. The dimension of those slots are available on the Yahoo files site of the R2-D2 builders club at

    http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/r2builders/files/

    You may need to sign up to view them. It's free.

    With all due respect to the thousands of man-hours of research, I can understand people not wanting to give out these hard fought pieces of data. I do not see the point, however, in posting just to taunt others that you HAVE the info and will not share it. What's the point? :confused

    ---RGP
     
  28. GINO

    GINO Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    No prob.
    Didn't think it was.
     
  29. KevVader

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    I'm still holding out hope, however faint, that DS's mannequin contact will come through....However, it has been awhile since there was an update....

    Back to the belt boxes....has anyone definitively figured out what the mesh strip is below the green lights? Apparently one of the more elusive "found items"....
     
  30. SHalamar

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    You know, I saw it somewhere, and thought it looked familiar. Can someone post a closeup of it?
     
  31. KevVader

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    ....it looks like different material in every version of Vader. There were some good educated guesses....but nothing definitive AFAIK...

    ANH

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    ROTJ (MOM, I think)

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    ....no good close ups of the ESB boxes, I'm afraid. Perhaps someone else can post......
     
  32. SHalamar

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    Well, Pics? :)
     
  33. anakin

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    I thought there was some "speculation" that one of the ANH boxes used some sort of grill that was used to cover ceiling fluorescent lights.



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  34. KevVader

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    ...an even better ANH close up...Thanks Anakin.

    Yup, the flourescent light cover was one.....the ROTJ strip is the mesh hose....I think that's the only one that was a correct call.....
     
  35. SHalamar

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    Ok. Interesting. Not close to what I thought. But in one of those pics it does look like something 'rolled' up.
     
  36. Clutch

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    any good links to tutorials on how to light up the boxes? also the slots on the buckle are square right?
     
  37. KevVader

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    ...used to be one at darthBlade's site....gone now. The belt box lights are a simple loop circuit to a 9V battery.

    The slots on the ANH and ESB buckle have squared ends and are unevenly spaced and of uneven width as well.....
     
  38. anakin

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    Forgot where I found these - so I really didn't ask permission :confused ( could be Darth Blade)

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  39. KevVader

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    Score.....that's the one.
     
  40. Clutch

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    Thanks for the diagram. I guess led's will be bright enough. I was afraid about the buckle. I have a russrep one and while it looks nice, the slots are rounded. :(
     
  41. gts072

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    Be careful on wiring the leds. Depending on where you purchase them, the voltage required for each led varies and a 10 ohm resistor is not always the correct one used. Also some leds are brighter than others. You can blow them if not wired correctly. Based on my own observations and experiences. I have used the simple diagram shown above before and its a start but by no means the final word.
     
  42. Darth Cross

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    GTS072 is right, It's always a good idea to use a current limiting resistor with led's. Otherwise you could burn them out immediately. Also it helps with the life of the led (the brighter it burns, the shorter the life). A quick and simple idea is to use a poteniometer in series with the led's. That way you can adjust the brightness as you see fit.

    Richard
     
  43. GINO

    GINO Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Since you mentioned ANH vader, here's a semi recent shot of mine still in progress.


    [image]http://www.biovitasteak.com/gino/anh_trooper&vader.jpg[/image]
     
  44. vader71

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    Still no paint on the helmet?
    Thanks though, he looks great.
     
  45. Clutch

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    Gino, did you build the Vader mannequin from scratch?
     
  46. GINO

    GINO Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Half and half.
     
  47. SithLord

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    Nice looking pair.....

    :cheers,

    Thomas
     

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