TRON 3 ?!

A lot of TV classics wouldn't have made it as far as they have, had the networks not given them a chance to grow. It sucks that shows are based on initial ratings instead of just sticking to something and see if it catches on for at least a season or two. Look at "I Love Lucy." The show didn't get tons of viewership back when it was first aired, but over time grew phenomenally and is now one of the most well known TV shows out there as a household name.

Getting back to movies, I get it that it's a business. I don't think it's all bad though if they use some of these huge cash cow movies to invest in other films that aren't so much if they're going to even out or make just a little extra profit just for the sake of loving a property enough to want to continue the story where there is a market for it, and not just for the sake that only if it comes back two fold or whatever they demand it to be.

Look at some of the films out there that do poorly at the box office, but get sequels made regardless?

Studios throw money at films almost no one sees, but gets Oscars.

I know.. all crazy talk. Businesses like Disney need to have investor confidence that they are making wise decisions and keeping their stocks at peak. All about the money all the time every time. I wonder if they're considering Age of Ultron a bomb compared to what they were hoping despite the crazy profit it's made so far.

That's where big named actors and directors come into play and make a difference. I remember years ago Clint Eastwood mentioning that he had a deal with the studios, he would make one of theirs only if they allowed him to make one of his, so, quid pro quo. I don't know if he still has that deal since that statement was back around the time of Heartbreak Ridge and he has only gained in prestige since then to the point where he might be able to get his movies greenlit without having to do ones that he doesn't want to do. Anyway, more actors and directors ought to take this approach, have it specified in their contracts that they'll take on a given role or movie, possibly for less money up front than they would normally, but in return the studio has to promise and guarantee them that they'll make a movie for them that they really want to do.
 
I suspect much of it has to do with budgets and expectations, too. For something like TRON, you can't get away with cheap f/x. By contrast, a film like Mad Max can be done with mostly practical stunts, and relatively limited post-production F/X. Sure, you can do it all with CGI, but you can still keep your budget low.

But if your budget is, like, +$100M, and you only make 30% of that back in your opening weekend domestically, you're screwed. No sequel for you. Why? Because numbers. After the first weekend, unless your film retains the bulk of its audience and your returns are around another 20-25% of the budget, your film is a financial failure. Most of the time, 2nd weekend returns are half that of 1st weekend. Studios know this.

We here like to talk about "But what about international box office and DVD sales?" Those can certainly help, but they have to help to an extraordinary degree, from what I've observed casually. Like, you'd need to ultimately return, like, 60% of the budget domestically, and then something like 200% of the budget from DVDs and international box office -- and even then, your initial budget would need to be relatively low.

Otherwise, why would the studio greenlight a more expensive sequel, when they can spend that same money on something they know will make bank in opening weekend, domestically, and will get those DVD sales and international box office sales?


I'll put this another way. I deal with this mentality in a limited sense in my own business. My clients don't always have this attitude, but sometimes the more entrepreneurial ones do. The basic line of thinking is not about how much money you did make, but how much money you could have made. People look at the "could make" number, and the treat that, mentally, as the number. When the actual number falls short, they don't look at the glass as half full; they see it as half empty. In other words, they think about all the money they "left on the table" that they could have made, and therefore view their venture as a failure.

That, I suspect, is how studios operate. They greenlight a film and they have a target number in mind. If they exceed that number, they're delighted, and you may see a sequel. If they meet the number, it depends on how franchisable they think the film is. If the number falls below the target, it doesn't matter how much profit they did make. What matters is how much profit they didn't make, and it's by that measure that the film's failure is determined.

When you then blow that up to an entire business for a whole studio, you've got some serious budget considerations. Because, of course, studios make more than just big-budget superhero films or licensed properties. They're also funding their indie label (e.g. Fox Searchlight). They're funding comedies, and romcoms, and serious dramas, and obvious Oscar bait, and family-friendly films, and so on. The big budget films could well end up paying for those projects. I'd bet sometimes they end up paying for projects within the same "department," even, such as when a big budget sci-fi film ends up supporting development of another big budget sci-fi film. So, when a film like Tomorrowland tanks, the studio has to tighten its belt. What's gonna be the first bit of fat trimmed? The expensive sequel from the "modest" success, when that money could go towards developing a new franchise, or towards supporting an existing one that's already a proven success.
 
I think its funny that everyone thought Tron Legacy was a bit too late for a sequel, but today, a veeeeery looooong overdue sequel seems to be all the rage. How well did that last Pirates movie do? And I heard that the newest Pirates film had to be on hold because of the small turnout of The Lone Ranger, yet they still moved forward with that one.

I think they should use the scripts that they have and do a graphic novel for Tr3n, if that turns out well then a film adaptation should be reconsidered. I actually have a pretty crazy idea of what my version of Tr3n would be, I've been trying to sketch designs but my skills aren't insanely superb so I think I'll have to keep practicing lol.
 
I see all this criticism and nobody just looking at what was accomplished technologically with Faux Flynn / CLU. This has got to be the BEST CGI animated rendering of a human ever, Give it 10-20 more years of advancement and all of Hollywood will be voice actors.
http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Clu-2.0-in-Tron-Legacy.jpg

I saw this for the first time a few days ago. I had forgotten about the CGI Flynn right until He started to talk. It was an Oh yea moment and distracting. The New Terminator movie looks flawless in the old/new department. Ill hold out judgement until I see the young Arnold speak on the big screen.
 
I can't say I blame the guy. It's gotta be annoying when people keep asking you to do yet another go-around of your previous work, and you're more interested in doing new stuff.

Plus, the whole "We're on! Wait. We're off. Wait! We're back on!!! No, just kidding. We're off." aspect has got to be irritating as hell while you try to plan your life.


At any rate, it's a shame that Disney can't see a way to make room for Marvel, LucasFilm and Tron, but honestly...although I enjoyed it, I never thought a Tron sequel was actually necessary. As a story, the original Tron was great all on its own. And that's how it stood for almost 30 freaking years until Hollywood caught reboot/remake/sequelitis. In all that time, while I thought the notion of a sequel might be kinda cool, it really...wasn't necessary. The film was fine on its own. It's not like the story needed a continuation because you didn't know what happened next.

But with the sequel, well, now you DO kinda need to know "What happened next?" because they introduced several elements in the film which presumably will never be paid off. That irritates the hell out of me, and I'd almost rather the sequel hadn't been made, than that it ends up made but leaves me hanging for all eternity.
 
^ All of that. I am bummed beyond words now. I, frankly, loved Legacy (and the video game and animated series that also augment the Tron universe). And I was so, so looking forward to what Steve Lisberger had in mind for where to take it next -- and he does know. He wasn't going to let Legacy get made until he knew what he was doing with it and where he was going with the characters, settings, and story. But with as yanked-around as the talent has been with Disney's waffling... well, even if Disney does change its mind for realsies, there's no way in hell they're going to be able to fix Bruce's (and probably Jeff's) disillusionment with this whole damned post-Legacy process.

Disney's track record is so erratic this past decade... Good calls with Marvel and Lucasfilm, for the most part. Mostly good animated offerings. But then they drop the ball on Lone Ranger, John Carter, and Tron. *helpless shrug* I don't get it.

--Jonah
 
I wonder how much Bruce Boxleitner knew of the sequel story. He probably signed some paper to not tell about it. But it would explain him going along with the events in Tron Legacy and letting his character be left in the condition at the end of the movie. It is too bad. But in a way a lesson to not get so setup with future movies before making a good singular movie.
 
You ask me, the natural way to continue the story is through video games. Kind of like how TRON 2.0 worked (which, by the way, was a terrific game that I recommend). It'd probably be a lot easier to get the various talents to do a couple days of VO work in their pajamas ('Cause you KNOW that's how Jeff would show up...) than it would be to film further movies. Plus, this way you could hit exactly the target market you want -- TRON fans -- without spending shedloads of money on marketing campaigns to try to broaden the appeal of your niche film.
 
God...dammit, Disney. :facepalm Unless they plan to do a 100% CG Tron -- including voice -- they've screwed themselves waffling over this. Pretty sure it doesn't matter at this point if they decide to go ahead with it. Bridges and Boxleitner have given up and moved on -- and the latter is pretty pissed at them. I think even if they came begging with a huge paycheck, he'd give them the middle finger. And I don't know how you can have Tron without Tron.

--Jonah
 
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