I know how you feel. Prop making is hard work.
TheNickFox Presents - Knockoff Nike Mag Buildup
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I know how you feel. Prop making is hard work.
cavx
Master Member
I hope so. I would cool to have more members in the Scratch Built NIKE MAG Club. Right now, there is just 3 or us :rolleyes
IM back guys i had to take a trip to NY now i have all the time in the world to help ...check out my build in my album that i will be putting together this monday see you all then. feel free to pm me or ask questions .....back for the future.... customs k mags comming soon..
Since the other thread is just a mess, I'm bringing this thread back to show off my developments.
Thanks to DinoIgnacio, I'm working on an even more accurate pattern.
So far, I've gotten the ankle cuff section to about 90-95% accuracy in the patterning. There are some VERY deceptive things about it that I didn't notice until I could accurately scale portions of it thanks to Dino's images.
Here's where the cuff pattern stands now, (With my old upper below it) I may leave the pattern like this for a while until I have a chance to modify the soles.
Yeah...that's right, I'm modding the soles. I'm going to mold them quickly, cast them in plaster then widen them and reshape the details to make them more accurate. (Then pay out the *** to have them cast in urethane foam) If I make my full upper patterns prior to doing that, they will likely look deformed once one a wider base.
-Nick
Thanks to DinoIgnacio, I'm working on an even more accurate pattern.
So far, I've gotten the ankle cuff section to about 90-95% accuracy in the patterning. There are some VERY deceptive things about it that I didn't notice until I could accurately scale portions of it thanks to Dino's images.
Here's where the cuff pattern stands now, (With my old upper below it) I may leave the pattern like this for a while until I have a chance to modify the soles.
Yeah...that's right, I'm modding the soles. I'm going to mold them quickly, cast them in plaster then widen them and reshape the details to make them more accurate. (Then pay out the *** to have them cast in urethane foam) If I make my full upper patterns prior to doing that, they will likely look deformed once one a wider base.
-Nick
cavx
Master Member
Good to see this thread is not dead Nick. The cuff looks great. I just want to know, is the RD MAG straight up and down at the back? None of the images I have suggest this and why I have continued to add the curved back. The challenge I am having is adding width to the collar and still keeping the alignment to the sole.
There is a VERY subtle curve that paper doesn't pick up for the ankle...and obviously there's a bit more of a bulge in the heel, but nothing too crazy from all I've seen.
Just find shots looking down into the shoe, and you'll see there is very little deviation in the back.
-Nick
Just find shots looking down into the shoe, and you'll see there is very little deviation in the back.
-Nick
airair
Sr Member
there is a curve in the mags.
i took me several attempts to master the shape, but i think ive got it now.
i will post up some pics in a few days, show you my uppers. so you can see how close the shape is to the offical ones. i will try make some scans, maybe you might find them useful, or maybe not!
who knows, just giving it ago like you guys. i know for a fact, you guys are doing a better job on the uppers than the version 2 knockoffs which are totally incorrect.
although i think the movie versions dont have much of a bend at all, primarilly because they weren't very stiff, they were very loose and just made of spongy foam.
i took me several attempts to master the shape, but i think ive got it now.
i will post up some pics in a few days, show you my uppers. so you can see how close the shape is to the offical ones. i will try make some scans, maybe you might find them useful, or maybe not!
who knows, just giving it ago like you guys. i know for a fact, you guys are doing a better job on the uppers than the version 2 knockoffs which are totally incorrect.
although i think the movie versions dont have much of a bend at all, primarilly because they weren't very stiff, they were very loose and just made of spongy foam.
cavx
Master Member
So collars aside, how are you guys going with the rest of the pattern?
My goal is to have a pair of shoes that looks closer to the 1989 movie shoe than the shelf intended 2011 shoe. I actually want the toe to be soft and maybe I won't even line this part. Not sure yet.
My liner will also have seems forward of the main inner side seam so that then I attached and reverse, the fold line stays flat.
Cuff, tongue and laces need to be attached before the outer goes on. Basically I am building this pair from the inside out, rather then working from the outside in.
My goal is to have a pair of shoes that looks closer to the 1989 movie shoe than the shelf intended 2011 shoe. I actually want the toe to be soft and maybe I won't even line this part. Not sure yet.
My liner will also have seems forward of the main inner side seam so that then I attached and reverse, the fold line stays flat.
Cuff, tongue and laces need to be attached before the outer goes on. Basically I am building this pair from the inside out, rather then working from the outside in.
The movie used open cell upholstery foam as best as my research can show. So you should be able to test a pattern to see if the material works for you fairly cheaply.
I have to take a break until the new year (And likely until the end of February) just because of business. At that point, hopefully CloneProps will be offering his digital files to use as a heatforming buck.
-Nick
I have to take a break until the new year (And likely until the end of February) just because of business. At that point, hopefully CloneProps will be offering his digital files to use as a heatforming buck.
-Nick
cavx
Master Member
At some point, you will need to sew the uppers. You can not escape that and it seems so many want to stretch their fabric over the heat formed foam mold.
The 1989, the 2011 and both types of K-MAG are all 2 part uppers with a seam at the back and one on the inner side. You can't fake that.
Yes, but fabric stretches. So, all is good.
If it didn't Anne Hathaway's Catwoman costume wouldn't have been nearly as fantastic.
haha
-Nick
If it didn't Anne Hathaway's Catwoman costume wouldn't have been nearly as fantastic.
haha-Nick
airair
Sr Member
indeed, the 1989 movie shoe and the 2011 release both have 2 seams, one at the back, and one on the inner side between the second/third lace.
however, the 1989 movie shoes were simply glued onto foam and had no inner lining whatsoever. you can see the plain spongy foam in several screen used pictures and various other pics.
the 2011 release was constructed obviously using professional equipment which we dont have access to.
i tried to fully stitch my uppers and have a stitched lining, but i couldn't get the foam to fit inside the fabric snuggly enough, so i decided to simply do what they did in 1989, and glue it instead. the lining is also glued on with some minimal stitching to strengthen it.
i was able to hand stitch the uppers,but because ive used 2mm eva foam glued to 1mm spongy foam, my uppers are very stiff and strong and so putting them into the sock like uppers which is stitched proved to be very difficult, and i wasnt happy with them so changed to just glueing them.
im going for a more "movie" style look lol because i cant do the stitching to fit properly!:facepalm
they must have used a specific cutting machine to do the 2011 release because the grey fabric is so tightly fitted and stitched together. i just cant replicate that method by my hand stitching or sew machine stitching.
if anyone can replicate the 2011 stitched look by sew machine or hand stitch, let me know! because i tried and failed. the top sections curves were really doing my head in.
if you look at the version 2 knockoffs, they got the lace area stitching right, but the rest of the uppers are totally off.
im just going to go with glue.
however, the 1989 movie shoes were simply glued onto foam and had no inner lining whatsoever. you can see the plain spongy foam in several screen used pictures and various other pics.
the 2011 release was constructed obviously using professional equipment which we dont have access to.
i tried to fully stitch my uppers and have a stitched lining, but i couldn't get the foam to fit inside the fabric snuggly enough, so i decided to simply do what they did in 1989, and glue it instead. the lining is also glued on with some minimal stitching to strengthen it.
i was able to hand stitch the uppers,but because ive used 2mm eva foam glued to 1mm spongy foam, my uppers are very stiff and strong and so putting them into the sock like uppers which is stitched proved to be very difficult, and i wasnt happy with them so changed to just glueing them.
im going for a more "movie" style look lol because i cant do the stitching to fit properly!:facepalm
they must have used a specific cutting machine to do the 2011 release because the grey fabric is so tightly fitted and stitched together. i just cant replicate that method by my hand stitching or sew machine stitching.
if anyone can replicate the 2011 stitched look by sew machine or hand stitch, let me know! because i tried and failed. the top sections curves were really doing my head in.
if you look at the version 2 knockoffs, they got the lace area stitching right, but the rest of the uppers are totally off.
im just going to go with glue.
airair
Sr Member
i used exactly the same upholestery foam in my uppers.
i went to a friends sofa shop and got a massive roll of free 1mm spongy foam.
i then glued that to some 2mm eva craft foam (i measured it and its actually 1.5mm) and my uppers are very strong yet still flexible.
For the template, ive used the same method as Cavx, but i manually drew the template and studied the various online images of both the 1989 and 2011 shoe.
the entire uppers for one foot is two pieces, and side profile is curved.
i studied these uppers for hours and hours and i believe ive perfected them.
When i show you the pictures you will see what i mean. Its not too complicated, you simply have to make sure you put the curve in the right place.
if you look at the 1989 and 2011 shoes, you will see the actual ankle buckle sticks out a bit over the back heel. so your uppers' curve has to the do the same.
Ill post up the pics tommorow to show you guys.
ive actually got 3 more spare version 1 knockoff shoes lying around which id bought a few months back which im now going to completely redo after this first one, because now i know how to do it easily.
for the second one, im just going to use the 1mm spongy foam and only use eva for the top ankle section, just like the 1989 shoe. then the front of the toe area and laces area will just be 1mm spongy foam, so it will have a "sock" type fee.
airair
Sr Member
also, i found a solution for the grey fabric which is perfect i think.
i really love the one i found, and its easy to get too.
since its quite hard to find the actual shade of grey of the 1989 and 2011 releases, the one i found seems to be a good fit.
its light enough, and has a great pattern to it, giving it an "expensive" look.
i really think its a perfect solution for all our replicas, unless you guys have some other suggestions?
ill post up some pics soon.
i really love the one i found, and its easy to get too.
since its quite hard to find the actual shade of grey of the 1989 and 2011 releases, the one i found seems to be a good fit.
its light enough, and has a great pattern to it, giving it an "expensive" look.
i really think its a perfect solution for all our replicas, unless you guys have some other suggestions?
ill post up some pics soon.
cavx
Master Member
Yes, but fabric stretches. So, all is good.
If it didn't Anne Hathaway's Catwoman costume wouldn't have been nearly as fantastic.
-Nick
Now I'm confused by this. You seem to want 100% accuracy in shape and form, yet your prepared to pretend that the way the shoe is constructed is not important and go about it another way. Even those new ugly zip up Jordans use the same 3 piece upper as the MAG. Seam up the centre of the back and one on the inside about half way along. The only real difference is the shape of the collar.
The base work of my patterns was based on exactly what many did - make a foam form that looks like the shoe. Once the shape was done, I took the next step and cut where the seams should go so I could now lay it out flat. From there, I made a new pattern with the seams in the correct place, then folded and glued to make sure it would go together. It was then cut apart again to be used as the actual pattern for cloth (now this mesh) versions to be made. It took time and has has many revisions, but it works.
Even Cat Women's suit has seams.
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cavx
Master Member
3 piece if you include the innersole which is actually what dictates the shape of the shoe.
Looking forward to seeing your images airair.
