TheNickFox Presents - Knockoff Nike Mag Buildup

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  1. TheNickFox

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    Okay, I decided to start my own thread for this, so that my posts didn't overwhelm people just looking for info on the Knockoff Mags, heretofore referred to as K-Mags.

    For those looking, the original thread can be found here: http://www.therpf.com/f9/nike-mag-knockoffs-132990/

    Anyway, just to catch the newcomers up on my K-Mags thus far...I ordered a set of the silver K-Mags through sbshoe.com. Despite the whole site being shady and using a PayPal clone that I didn't exactly trust (Apparently they will take PayPal if you request it specially) my shoes came in after only about 5 days.

    Anyhoo, on with the pictures and video...

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    ^ Here's how they looked straight out of the box. (Don't mind the mess, I was in the process of moving)


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    ^ And of course I had to try them on. (And couldn't bring myself to take them off most of the time)

    And here is a short video review that I did of them so you can see them in action: SBShoe.com Nike Mag Knockoffs - YouTube

    Now, on to the meat. I never intended to leave these stock, I really only wanted/needed the soles, figuring I could always build uppers myself. So that's exactly what I plan on doing.

    With that in mind, I began to tear them down as surgically as possible. This is the end result...

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    ^All of the main pieces together.


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    ^ The heel cup, including a small tab that was glued directly to the sole, making it a pain to remove, but I got it. Nick: 1; K-Mags: 0.


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    ^The uppers removed intact. (Minus a few bits of vinyl that were glued to death to the soles)


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    ^And the pot of gold at the end of the teardown rainbow...the soles.


    I have a lot of work planned for these, including hopefully adding clear sole inserts and lights, but my main priority is going to be crafting new, more accurate uppers for the soles.

    Here's a quick little workup, showing some of the changes that will be made.

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    I'll be sure to post as I continue to strip these things down. And hopefully I'll have a video walkthrough of the results of my teardown by Tonight, so stay tuned.

    I want to make these the most accurate K-Mags ever! (Which shouldn't be too hard, since I'm really the first person to attempt to modify them this much)

    -Nick


    PS: If anyone out there owns the real Mags (Pitbull and GeneralFrosty, I'm looking at you) let me know if you'd be willing to take a few pictures of some parts for me, I'm curious about one piece in particular. ;)
     
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  2. MitasTouch

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    I really wish this company made more accurate Mags. They could just take all the nike logos and stuff off of them.
     
  3. TheNickFox

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    Here's a quick video update, showing the REAL guts of the shoe: K-Mag Teardown - YouTube

    As always, let me know if you have any questions, or need details on any part of the construction.

    -Nick
     
  4. Risu

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    The fabric inside the shoe looks like it might be some kind of pellon interfacing, hard to tell. I'll hopefully be ordering my pair in a couple days. Two quick questions for you.

    How does the sizing run? I've worn shoes ranging from 11 to 12, with most of the boots I own being 11.5. Should I get the 11 or 12, especially considering that I'll be following your tear down on my own pair?

    Second, have you looked into splitting the yellow part out of the sole yet? I'm a little worried after seeing that heel cup that they might have excessively glued that thing in there and made it impossible to remove.
     
  5. TheNickFox

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    The sizing is fairly true, but I'd say size up since the toe will be losing a bit of space once it's chopped down and made more accurate. It's personal preference, but I just think you'll find the modded shoes will fit better if you have a bit of extra space to begin with.

    I just made a duct tape copy of my one foot tonight to hopefully start building a last from, and just putting the foot onto the soles, I can see already how snug these shoes will be.

    Having seen how much the factory these were made in loves glue, I'm no longer sure you can get it out without destroying the yellow bits, but with some heat and a sharp blade, I think you should be able to reasonably perform the operation, leaving the main sole intact.

    I'm not going to even try that though until I can get the soles under rubber so I can clone the waffled pieces later.

    -Nick
     
  6. Risu

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    I'm not sure if I actually want to clone the section, I might try to sculpt a new one that's more accurate, with the inverted waffling and the flared bottom, etc. No idea exactly how I'm going to do that, but I think it'll require that I remove those bits first.
     
  7. McFly88

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    great write up so far can't wait to see the rest of your plans come together
     
  8. TheNickFox

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    Okay, no major updates from here on out, it seems. The templating phase is a slow one with no thrilling pictures to show, since most of the generational changes are so slight.

    Basically, after cutting up a bunch of craft foam and paper over two nights, I created this...

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    ...and then with some more refinement (The heel is a big pain in the A**) I ended up with this:

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    I'm calling this Ankle Template Alpha, since I'm sure there will be many more refinements ahead. (Especially once I cut that top section off, representing the white piece)

    I just have to make a last to heat form the toe area, and then I'll have a better sense of what else needs to be adjusted before I skin this thing in fabric.

    -Nick
     
  9. Risu

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    I guess I have to live vicariously through this thread now, I missed my chance at a pair of the shoes by a day.
     
  10. TheNickFox

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    Always happy to have you, but I swore there was a secondary site you could buy the shoes through.

    ...but if you don't feel like trudging through the other thread for the link, I hope the manufacturer was serious about offering up a new version of the shoes.

    Hell, I still might grab another set if they end up being much more accurate. (And if they exist)

    -Nick
     
  11. Risu

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    Well, I went ahead and ordered them through the other site. Very uneasy about that process. It was $5 cheaper though, I guess that's kind of cool.
     
  12. MitasTouch

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    I know this is going to be awesome just by looking at it.
     
  13. McFly88

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    I hope you don't get screwed over with their process like I did...i had to file a dispute claim with my bank to get my money back. Hope it all goes well
     
  14. Risu

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    Out of curiosity, which of the two payment sites did you use, the rppay or 5upay? I used rppay because of the two I trust the one that uses text speak less.
     
  15. McFly88

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    I'm pretty sure I used that one as well. I was emailing them continuously with no luck of a response. Very shady process but maybe I just got an idiot for customer service. LoL. Which ones did you order? I ordered the silver and after my money was taking off the credit card thats when they told me they were 'no longer in stock'. If you could I would wait for the revision of the SBSHOE. They seem very knowledgeable and GREAT customer service. :thumbsup
     
  16. Risu

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    I ordered the silver in size 12. I'll see how it goes. At least you didn't get your bank account emptied out. That would be a little tougher to fix than a charge reversal. Those aren't too bad. I'd be more disappointed at not having the shoes than having to go through the trouble. It could be years before the new wave is made.
     
  17. McFly88

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    Yeah I got my Silver ones from SBShoe before they were sold out about 2 months ago. SUPER happy with them. Hopefully all goes well with your order though.
     
  18. MitasTouch

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    Could you possibly make printable templates from this?
     
  19. TheNickFox

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    Because the toe cap requires heat forming, unfortunately, there's no easy way to create templates from this.

    -Nick
     
  20. NakedMoleRat

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    I'm confused! :confused With all of the extensive re-working you're doing, there is isn't really any of the original shoe left. Why didn't you just scratch build the shoe?
     
  21. TheNickFox

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    It's twofold... 1) If I were to make the soles, from sculpting, to sizing, to molding and casting, making sure everything stays symmetrical, etc, the cost of the process would have been vastly more than just buying the shoes and pulling the soles off. And 2) the challenge of making something accurate from something not at all accurate.

    That said, in time, I may attempt to scratch build more accurate soles as well, but for now this is the most cost effective way to get these shoes for me.

    -Nick
     
  22. NakedMoleRat

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    well, duh! :lol
     
  23. TheNickFox

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    Okay, I completely tossed out my templates and started from scratch.

    I hand drew a schematic based on all of the available images I had of the real shoes, combined it with a lot more math, and came up with what you see below. It's still very much a work in progress, but this is definitely the closest thing you'll get to the real shape without spending a couple thousand dollars on a real set of Mags. The white piece is just a piece of paper loosely taped in, so pay no attention to it at the moment.

    Anyhoo, on with the pictures:

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    Let me know what you think.

    -Nick
     
  24. MitasTouch

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    Looks absolutely great. Much of an improvement from your last update.
     
  25. TheNickFox

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    Thanks, man. I definitely agree. There was probably about 12 hours worth of scaling, math, and schematic drawing...plus a little more math involved in getting to this point, so I'm defintely proud. And there is no comparison between this and my previous pattern.

    These shoes are like optical illusions though, certain parts seem much smaller than they are. It wasn't until I started scaling these that I started to see these shoes as they really are.

    Right now, I'm trying to work out a template so I can cut the ankle cut out identically every time. I'm thinking of tearing apart a cookie cutter.

    And here's a quick little mockup I did on my phone of what the final shape will be. (for those who hate their own imagination :lol )

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    -Nick
     
  26. Jedifyfe

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    Looks great Nick. Are you heat forming it? Just so you know, once you add fabric to the foam it becomes VERY sturdy. Also by adding heat it condenses the foam and makes it more rigid and dense.
     
  27. TheNickFox

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    Thanks, Brad.

    The only part I'll be heat forming will be the toe cap. The rest of the curves are simply down to the shape of the seam on the back of the ankle. Since I don't know how the real Mags are constructed, I'm taking most of these cues from how the K-Mags were built.

    Out of curiosity, any glue recommendations for skinning this thing? I was going to use Super77, but if you know of something better, I'm all ears.

    ...I'm actually really excited to get to the skinning phase since I believe I've worked out a way to finish the seams on the ankle cutout exactly how they are on the real shoes.

    -Nick
     
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    That's what I used. It works perfectly. It dries quickly so spray only about 2-3 inches at a time.
     
  29. Risu

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    I don't plan to glue mine on at all. I'll just cut the shell and liner fabrics, sew them around the opening leaving the bottom open, insert the foam, then sew the fabrics together at the bottom and glue it into the sole. it might not be how the original was made, but it seems to be the most logical way to me.
     
  30. cavx

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    Nick, that looks very good.

    Hey guys, I have attached a link HERE as well as in the original "K MAG" thread to where I bought my 2 pairs. They seem to still have stock, so suggest you guys check it out if looking for these shoes.

    Mark
     
  31. Risu

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    The site looks good, and I'm glad to hear it's verified. As soon as I find out if the other site ripped me off I'll place an order there.
     
  32. cavx

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    How is those "glow in the dark soles" on those other shoes [Cheap Air Yeezy]? Wouldn't it be cool if the MAGs had them too?
     
  33. MitasTouch

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    On the site each pair of shoes have the letter M and then a number. What do these mean, and why are there multiple links to the same shoe?
     
  34. MitasTouch

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    Have you picked out a fabric to put over the foam? And is there any more news if the more accurate shoes are real or not?
     
  35. TheNickFox

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    I'm going to go check out some fabrics tonight. I'll let you know if there's anything to report.

    By the end of tonight, though, I should have the toe sculpted, which means in the next few days...heatforming!

    Here's a random thought for us nerds. The real Mags might be far out of reach for many of our wallets, but what if someone was to take the 4.5" ceramic shoes that were given out at the launch even, 3D scan it, clean it up, 3D print the soles, the heel cup, and the ankle piece, then use something like Pepakura designer to create flat patterns for the upper...

    Just a thought. To me, the ideal price point for Mag replicas (with full lights and sounds) is around $1,000. If someone did what I just described, in some quantity (AKA a run) it might just be possible.

    ...I'll let you guys think about that for a bit. :lol

    -Nick
     
  36. cavx

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    Sorry to jump in your thread Nick, but for those wanting these shoes, I emailed then last night and got this response this morning

    "yes,there is in stock,
    Will you order it?"

    The person I have communicated with is Angela Chen and she seems to understand English pretty well.

    The M22, M23 etc are image numbers I think. If you click on any one of them, you should be able to place your order.

    Mark
     
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  37. MitasTouch

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    Are they a legitimate vendor? I don't want my money to get stolen. :confused
     
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  38. DL4567

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    Nick, are you familiar with cloneprops and his run?

    http://www.therpf.com/f9/my-nike-mag-modelkit-cloneprops-140997/

    http://www.therpf.com/f13/cloneprops-kit-i-back-future-shoes-limited-142121/
     
  39. TheNickFox

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    I am, but I was just thinking of other ways to get to the same end...possibly in a completed rather than a kit form.

    ...it was mostly just a musing though.

    -Nick

    PS: No fabric update, I'll have to keep looking.
     
  40. MitasTouch

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    Man...if only this was simple enough to become a tutorial.
     
  41. MitasTouch

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    Could you take pictures from different angles and not just the side?
     
  42. Risu

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    Hey Nick, I was looking at random stuff on the shelves at work yesterday and I got an idea for how to sculpt slightly more accurate sole inserts to cast them in clear urethane. Once I get my shoes I'd be happy to post it up here, if you'd like.
     
  43. TheNickFox

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    That would be fantastic! The more people we have working on this problem the better.

    And to you Mitas, I'm hoping to have the entire final version of the uppers done by the end of the week so I will try to post some pictures or a video then. That said, all my reference materials were pulled straight from google searches. There are more angles of the real shoes than you could ever imagine.

    -Nick
     
  44. cavx

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    It is where I bought my 2 pairs from and where I will order my next pair.
     
  45. cavx

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    So when you guys cast these new parts, do you use the original for a base or do this from scratch?

    I did a bit of research into molding a while back and it is an art form if not a science. Many of the molds these guys made to cast parts in casting resin etc were made from latex rubber. I bought a litre of the stuff a few years ago and it sets when exposed to air, no catalyst required. Goes from a liquid to a solid rubber block in about 12~24 hours (temp pending). The only thing is sometimes the original parts get destroyed in the process of removal. Didn't seem to need a release agent either, so very DIY friendly. Just curious which direction you guys might take here.
     
  46. Risu

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    I wouldn't recommend latex for a mold, but then I've never cast urethane before. I use silicone for resin casting. I prefer stuff that cures because as long as you get the mix right you don't have to worry about any bits not hardening. There's a mold shop up in LA that carries everything you could ever need and the people that work there really know their stuff. I'll be sure to ask them what to use next time I go up. As for how I plan to do it, assuming the sole inserts really are a flat piece wrapped around the shoe, I plan to peel it off, lay it flat, make a template out of it, and then build the new parts from that template. It won't be accurate to the original shoes, more like an improved version of the knockoff design. Then I'll just wrap that back on to the soles after installing the electronics.
     
  47. cavx

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    Sounds like a plan. I look forward to seeing how you guys go with this.
     
  48. MitasTouch

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    How long did the shipping take?
     
  49. cavx

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    Most things I get shipped from China are 7~10 days. I'm sure these were closer to the 7 days.

    Nick, any updates?
     
  50. TheNickFox

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    No updates yet. I've been dealing with a nasty stomach bug the last 2 days, so most work has been put on hold.

    -Nick
     

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