The truth about the Baron Hats Temple of Doom Fedora?

Jediwannabe

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A few years ago I purchased an Indiana Jones Fedora from Baron Hats in Los Angeles. They say that they created the/a hat for Temple of Doom. Can anyone tell me if this is an accurate claim?

When I had the hat reproduced they told me they made it from Harrison Ford's original head stock which they still have on site. I don't see anyone giving this company the credit that they should have if in fact they did make the Indy fedora for ToD.

Can anyone comment on this?

link to Baron Hats:
http://www.baronhats.com/indiana.htm

-Jediwannabe
 
If they did have a hat in ToD, it was just a product placement, as the hat worn by Ford was a Herbert Johnson, just as in the others. I hear he's also been trying to take credit for the hats in Indy IV, even though we all know they were done by Steve and Mark from Adventure Bilt. On that reason alone, I'd avoid that vendor as it definitely makes his claims dubious at best...
 
I would not take too much stock in what they say.

I'm sure the Indy gear-heads over on their boards could shed a lot of light on this
 
half the things they say is so chalk full of crap. They tried laying claim to the Van Helsing hat too - which was made by some Italian designer and they simply distributed. If you've ever been to their shop too, their pretty shotty.
 
I don't know about the ToD hat, but in fact the Van Helsing hat was made in Italy (Rome to be precise), so, probably they did some "stunt" hat or something like that...
 
Yeah I got the feeling that they were full of fur felt.:confused The young son is running the shop now and he doesn't seem to be very knowledgeable. They took forever to make my hat. In the end the hat I got from them is pretty decent but I was hoping that I had something with lineage.

I had gone to the shop, Got Maul. I hired them to do a hat for a commercial I was producing. Once I heard they had made a hat for ToD I asked them to make one for me. I guess I should have done my research first.

Here are some photos of their hat.


-Jediwannabe
 
Well, if you read the website, it never really says outright that he made hats for the MOVIE. He says he was proud of the hat he made for "Temple of Doom" - without a specific claim that it was used in the film. Just a way to mislead people, I think. For something without proven pedigree, he sure charges a lot for his hat! Funny how he talks about ToD, but the hat on his site is much more of a RAIDERS lid.

Whatever his authenticity or lack thereof, it's a nice hat, anyway, and what's most important is if you like it.

Rick
 
Well, if you read the website, it never really says outright that he made hats for the MOVIE.

Yes, it does. Look at the picture at the bottom of the page, which says it is of Eddie Baron creating the hat for the Temple of Doom motion picture. Add to that the fact that they are taking credit for the Indy IV hats and you can quickly see the lengths they'll go to in order to sell product...
 
Whatever his authenticity or lack thereof, it's a nice hat, anyway, and what's most important is if you like it.

I would respectfully disagree. What is important is that you get what you pay for. If any company claims they are the original makers of a product, and charge a MINT for that product, you are partially paying for those claims. If the claims are untrue, then the company making the claim is not only deceiving you, but stealing from you and you are NOT getting what you paid for.
 
I am really beginning to wonder if they were in fact the originators for the 3:10 to yuma hats as well. What you get versus the hat in the actual movie is different.
 
Brak's Buddy is correct. I did pay a premium based on the claim that I was getting something from the original maker.

And yes the website clearly states that they made the/a hat for ToD. It is worded to deceive but send that clear message.
 
:confused

I don't know what happened to my post from last night, where I admitted that I overlooked the rather obvious claim that was written on the photo. Guess I was too busy looking at the text on the page.

Well, I guess if you are that dissatisfied, and feel like you were duped, ask them for your money back. Failing that, if you are serious about it, file a complaint with your credit card company, or if you didn't pay with a card, take Baron to small claims court.

Rick
 
STATEMENT FROM MR. MARK MEJIA, MASTER HATTER/ OWNER - BARON HATS

The following thread has come to my attention, and I have asked the moderator of your forum to allow me to address some of the comments.

Basically there seems to be four basic statements made here:
1. Questions about Baron Hat’s involvement in making the hat for “Temple of Doom”
2 Questions about Baron’s involvement in “Indy 4”
3. Questions about our “Van Helsing”-inspired leather spiral-stitched hat
4. Questions about our involvement in “3:10 To Yuma”.

Let’s first address the “Temple of Doom” question.

I worked as a hatter with legendary Master Hatter and founder of Baron Hats, Eddie Baron until 1995 at which point he expressed interest in retirement and gave me the honor of becoming the new Master Hatter and purchasing the company from him. I have run the company as sole owner and Master Hatter ever since.

“Temple of Doom” was produced before my association with Mr. Baron. However through Mr. Baron’s own statements, our archive records, photos (including the one that is on our website of him holding the “Indy” Fedora), and several documentaries, including one for French Television made back in 1991 (Baron Hats Media),
it is made clear that Mr. Baron did indeed craft Fedoras for the production of “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom”. We stand by these facts and records.

As for our involvement in “Indy 4”, there has been a plethora of false accusations about our representation of having made the Fedoras for this production. We have never implied that we had anything to do with creating these hats. The Fedoras were indeed made by a hat making company in the South. However, the confusion may lie in the fact that good friend and client, the famous Costume Designer Bernie Pollack (who was the Costumer Designer on “Indy 4”), did bring the completed Fedora’s to our shop the weekend before production to have us do some “tweaking” and “re-blocking” per his notes and supervision. We did this as a favor to Mr. Pollock, and out of our deep respect for his talent and reputation. Our other involvement with “Indy 5” was the fact that we did indeed create the 1950’s motorcycle style cap that Shia LaBeouf wore in his character of “Mutt Williams”.


This was documented by the Los Angeles Times: There's a new hat in town in 'Indiana Jones' - latimes.com

You are also more than welcome to contact Mr. Pollack for confirmation of these facts.

There has also been some mention in other “threads” of a Parade Magazine article (dated August 18, 2007), which you can find on Google, or read in our Media section of our website. http://baronhats.com/Parade_article.pdf

This short mention, which was an answer to a Q&A column, talks about our creating Mr. LeBeouf’s cap. The reporter also mentions our creating a “Cliffhanger” fedora. This is in reference to a reproduction hat that we offer on our website, which we call the “Cliffhanger”. The word “Cliffhanger” has no correlation to any “Indy” movie, nor has “Cliffhanger” ever been referenced in an “Indy” film in connection to his hat, nor has it ever been used anywhere but our site in reference to a Fedora connected with “Indiana Jones”, nor is the word referenced anywhere else in connection with this specific style Fedora.

We purposely and exclusively used the name “Cliffhanger” solely to differentiate a reproduction of an “Indy”-inspired Fedora from any actual “official” Indy hat. Therefore again, at no time have we ever indicated having made the “Indy 4” Fedora in this article, or anywhere else. In addition the “Cliffhanger” is referenced as a fedora inspired by the “Temple of Doom” hat, which is slightly different than the one used in “Indy 4”, and therefore has no connection whatsoever to any hats worn or made for “Indy 4”.

There has also been reference made to our offering the leather “Van Helsing” inspired hat which, on our website, we call the “Monster Hunter”. Again, there has been accusations, totally unfounded, that we claim to have made the original hat for the motion picture. That is completely false. The only reference to this hat is a statement of fact, in that we did create a replica of the hat for a stunt show at Universal Studios Tours. You can read this statement, and see that there is no reference whatsoever to having made the original hat for the motion picture by going to our website and reading the text: Baron Hats Classic Reproductions - The Monster Hunter

In the text you will read the following:

The “Monster Hunter” is made to the same stringent hyper-scrupulous specifications as the hats that Baron Hats is creating for Universal’s “Van Helsing Spectacular” show and ride at Universal Studios Tours Hollywood. Like the motion picture original that inspires it, “The Monster Hunter” is constructed of 100% hand- selected matching leathers, including the binding, brim and extra high crown.

This is simply a statement of fact. We did indeed create this special leather “spiral stitch” hat for Universal’s Tours in Hollywood. Because of the research needed to create an accurate reproduction, we were able to acquire the proper stitching machinery to create the special stitching that makes this hat unique which is one reason we offer it.

I am hard pressed to understand how stating facts somehow has some kind of “hidden deception” behind it as has been posted on your forum by a member.

Baron Hats has made a great many hats for motion pictures, TV, celebrities, music groups and performers, and for the discerning hat connoisseurs for over 50 years. However, we are very careful about identifying which hats we actually have made for any specific production. Baron is proud of our ability to create virtually any hat from any period and of any material that is asked of us, and when we find that a specific hat seems to get a great deal of attention, we sometimes will offer it on our website as a style inspired by the original. We receive countless comments from grateful customers who have been searching for years for a specific hat, only to finally find it on our site.

We have collected many of these unsolicited testimonials here:
Baron Hats - Hats Off!!

We are equally proud of our hard earned reputation, along with the highest rating (A+) for over 18 years with the Better Business Bureau.

Finally, this thread ends with “questions” about some of our other involvements. These claims come out of thin air and are totally baseless.

For example, someone has questioned our involvement in the creation of the hats for the 2007 remake of “3:10 To Yuma”.

The pure fact is that, yes we did indeed create these hats. If you go to our site, you will see that we give a special thanks to the actual production costumers we worked with during the production of “3:10 To Yuma”: Linda Mathews, Terry Anderson, Tangi Crawford, Christine Cantella, and Master Costume Designer, Arianne Phillips. Before one casts such falsehoods or questions our integrity, I would suggest they contact these costumers and simply ask them of our involvement. Or feel free to contact Russell Crowe, Ben Foster, Peter Fonda or Christian Bale who wore our hats in the motion picture.

I appreciate the passion that members of your site, as well as other sites bring to the craft of hats. It is that passion that keeps this great art alive. And there is no way that any craftsman, no matter how much a perfectionist, will ever satisfy everyone they do work for. And therefore I welcome criticism of my work, since it is these comments that allow me to grow and improve. However, I feel, and I’m sure most of you would agree, that falsehoods, half-truths, conjecture, innuendo, thin rumors and downright lies, which serve no propose than to disseminate bad will and confusion, have no place in such a forum.

In the future if any members have a question about the validity of statements you have heard or read, or rumors that spin around the cyber world, I only ask that you first follow through with your own exhaustive research, and/or feel free to contact me directly anytime before filing claims that could be damaging and even libelous.

I thank you for your time and thank the moderators of this forum to allow me the opportunity to bring these accusations out into the open.

Sincerely,
Mark Mejia
Master Hatter/ Owner
Baron Hats
Feel free to e-mail me any time at: Mark@baronhats.com
 
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You seem to be referring to "Indy 4", not "Indy 5", a film which has not been made yet and to which the LA Times article does not refer.

While I make no claims about the veracity of your other statements, it seems as though exhaustive research was not necessary to identify this rather obvious mistake.

Finally, I have to question the wisdom in bringing a thread that hadn't been active in over two years back to the surface. It seems as though it is more likely to increase people's awareness of the claims you would like to refute than to serve as a means to dispute them.
 
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