Too Much Garlic
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I'm not trying to deny you how you do your prop. I'm sorry if my comments have felt insulting. That wasn't my intent.
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T1 and T2 Endoskeleton Research Thread
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ghostman
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There seemed to be some misunderstanding, but I am glad we were able to understand each other.
My work is still in progress, and I will continue to correct the straight lines and curves.
Even if I make them straight at this stage, I will eventually make fine adjustments to correct them into smooth curves.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Cool. Glad we are okay.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Had a little fun taking some pictures today to update my Yourprops page and thought I might as well post the pictures here.
Previous owner couldn't remember where he got it from, but when looking through the PIH auctions I noticed a casting in the endoskeleton lot that looked similar and that lot has been sold off in parts so is no longer together. Sadly I don't have a better picture to really show that foot casting to see if it matches. The unpainted one for the other foot looks like the painted one on yourprops.
And here's a better picture of the Plasma Rifle, unwrapped.
Previous owner couldn't remember where he got it from, but when looking through the PIH auctions I noticed a casting in the endoskeleton lot that looked similar and that lot has been sold off in parts so is no longer together. Sadly I don't have a better picture to really show that foot casting to see if it matches. The unpainted one for the other foot looks like the painted one on yourprops.
And here's a better picture of the Plasma Rifle, unwrapped.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
May have some more to show off soon.
joberg
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Thanks for sharing these with us Too Much Garlic!! That plasma rifle is really cool!
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Yeah, it's quite different seeing one up close than just in pictures. I was surprised at how heavy it was. But it truly is just a big block of resin... so I guess I should have expected it. I heard the ones they finished for the endos were hollowed out, which would make sense, otherwise the rifles would break the arms.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Worked a little on the foot, but then had to stop as I started feeling like crap. Will go take a rest.
Things look a little jumbled right now. The two pistons - upper and lower - are about done and placed correctly. Haven't added the angle to the bottom piston yet, which is why it intercuts the fatter upper one at the moment.
Had to go back to an earlier toe fork as the other one was angled and would never get fully straight when leveled out again, and since I had to rework the whole shape anyway, I might as well work on something that is completely straight. That fork and the toe is about the last major parts that needs reworking and scaling before jumping in to figure out connecting the two rings to each other and the toe ring. I noticed Quartz had added a bridge connection between the smaller top piston ring and the toe fork and wondered why he did that until I saw it in this foot casting. Those parts are fused together, so that's interesting. The angle of the toe fork also isn't as great as on the LFS and where it connects with the bottom ring - that ring has been cut flat at the connection point.
It's just hard to get exact measurements on that ring as most is obscured in filler... but I'll just have to make a good estimate.
Haven't scaled down the screws yet, so they look overly large.
Be well and have fun.
Things look a little jumbled right now. The two pistons - upper and lower - are about done and placed correctly. Haven't added the angle to the bottom piston yet, which is why it intercuts the fatter upper one at the moment.
Had to go back to an earlier toe fork as the other one was angled and would never get fully straight when leveled out again, and since I had to rework the whole shape anyway, I might as well work on something that is completely straight. That fork and the toe is about the last major parts that needs reworking and scaling before jumping in to figure out connecting the two rings to each other and the toe ring. I noticed Quartz had added a bridge connection between the smaller top piston ring and the toe fork and wondered why he did that until I saw it in this foot casting. Those parts are fused together, so that's interesting. The angle of the toe fork also isn't as great as on the LFS and where it connects with the bottom ring - that ring has been cut flat at the connection point.
It's just hard to get exact measurements on that ring as most is obscured in filler... but I'll just have to make a good estimate.
Haven't scaled down the screws yet, so they look overly large.
Be well and have fun.
Nokitten
Jr Member
After a long break, I opened the file and a fresh look showed problems that I had not noticed. I had to fix it again.
I also tried electroplating, but the test resin had poor adhesion and the coating started to peel off. I need to try it on a quality resin, which I will use to print the final model.
I also tried electroplating, but the test resin had poor adhesion and the coating started to peel off. I need to try it on a quality resin, which I will use to print the final model.
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Too Much Garlic
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Looking real good.
Too Much Garlic
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Well, thought I might as well show it. I shape deformed BeagleBill's Timeless scan to my Foam Skull scan. Not perfect, but I would say I got it 98-99% accurate. A more professional modeler would probably be able to get the last few % to make it perfect, but I cannot spare any money at this time as I am searching for new castings and need all the money I can spare for that. That search yielded a T3 era made jaw, and it's looking amazing. I had the owner send it to Bill, as I couldn't risk having it sent here with all that is going on right now - will post a picture when we receive it.
Anyway... on to the picture of the reworked Timeless.
Anyway... on to the picture of the reworked Timeless.
Too Much Garlic
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Slowly working on perfecting the spine. The more straight version is how it is seen in the Cinemaquette scan, and in many display endoskeletons. That is however not how the movie versions look. They have curved spines, as far as I remember, but also... their spines fill out the whole plate section on the pelvis, so they are larger than the display ones. From what I can see they shrunk the most in the horizontal plane and not so much is the vertical plane, as surface planes are more compressed in the vertical ones so retains their shape and size better - similar to how the M1 vinyl skulls unevenly shrunk.
The fact that the display spines appear to be smaller may be due to how they were made - maybe molded and cast from an original cast one that had shrunk. So in order to compensate, they not only made the spine more vertical, making it easier to mount it on metal rods, but they also pulled each spine section further apart, making the gap wider. You can see this in the scan, actually, where the bottom surface on some of the pieces angle down from the outer edge in to the spacer between each spine section, instead of being horizontal to the outer edge. You also see the fifth spine piece having the back piece really angled backwards, which looks weird when you try to do the curved version, so it looks like they did something to create that angle. I will remove that on the curved version to make the curve on the back flow more cleanly, and not have such an abrupt break in the flow - which also means the 3 top ones won't be as deep as they are now.
I hope it will look good when I'm done.
The fact that the display spines appear to be smaller may be due to how they were made - maybe molded and cast from an original cast one that had shrunk. So in order to compensate, they not only made the spine more vertical, making it easier to mount it on metal rods, but they also pulled each spine section further apart, making the gap wider. You can see this in the scan, actually, where the bottom surface on some of the pieces angle down from the outer edge in to the spacer between each spine section, instead of being horizontal to the outer edge. You also see the fifth spine piece having the back piece really angled backwards, which looks weird when you try to do the curved version, so it looks like they did something to create that angle. I will remove that on the curved version to make the curve on the back flow more cleanly, and not have such an abrupt break in the flow - which also means the 3 top ones won't be as deep as they are now.
I hope it will look good when I'm done.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Hmm... I may still have them spaced too far apart. Pictures originally posted by ghostman in this thread:
