"Color-coded", I don't personally have issue with this scene. Pulling Sol's lightsaber toward his own helmet takes the #1 spot for cool factor.
SW Acolyte in a tail spin
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Speaking of “color-coded laser swords”…
I sincerely wish we lived in a world where I could tell “good guys from bad guys” based upon the color of laser sword they wielded.
As soon as Smilo Ren ignited a RED lightsaber, I knew he had to be a “bad guy”….not much gets by me.
Had he ignited a BLUE lightsaber, I would have been sooooo confused.
I sincerely wish we lived in a world where I could tell “good guys from bad guys” based upon the color of laser sword they wielded.
As soon as Smilo Ren ignited a RED lightsaber, I knew he had to be a “bad guy”….not much gets by me.
Had he ignited a BLUE lightsaber, I would have been sooooo confused.
Not gonna call out anyone by name, so I'll just generally post a few thoughts about the theory of internal consistency.
The idea is that in a fantasy movie things DO NOT have to conform at all to real world physics or reality, but they DO have to obey whatever physical laws are established by the story itself.
Thus you can have say, a man who can fly and lift entire buildings without being at all jarring to the audience, but if a green rock makes him sick, and then you show him holding a green rock and NOT getting sick: the fact that the green rock failed to make him sick violates internal consistency and is jarring for the audience, even though in real life, lots of people can touch green rocks, while flying and lifting buildings is not realistic at all.
Another example would be: you can declare a universe where a man can heal almost instantly, and have totally indestructible metal grafted to his skin and its not jarring at all, because even though thats totally unrealistic in our world, it is internally consistent with the world you created. Yet if that same guy slices through a steel railing with three claws, it's actually much MORE jarring to a viewer than the magic healing, because even though people cut metal all the time in real life and no one can heal instantly, the universe you created allows for healing, but does NOT allow for metal to act like wood.
carry on.
The idea is that in a fantasy movie things DO NOT have to conform at all to real world physics or reality, but they DO have to obey whatever physical laws are established by the story itself.
Thus you can have say, a man who can fly and lift entire buildings without being at all jarring to the audience, but if a green rock makes him sick, and then you show him holding a green rock and NOT getting sick: the fact that the green rock failed to make him sick violates internal consistency and is jarring for the audience, even though in real life, lots of people can touch green rocks, while flying and lifting buildings is not realistic at all.
Another example would be: you can declare a universe where a man can heal almost instantly, and have totally indestructible metal grafted to his skin and its not jarring at all, because even though thats totally unrealistic in our world, it is internally consistent with the world you created. Yet if that same guy slices through a steel railing with three claws, it's actually much MORE jarring to a viewer than the magic healing, because even though people cut metal all the time in real life and no one can heal instantly, the universe you created allows for healing, but does NOT allow for metal to act like wood.
carry on.
So...
If we have a guy who slice though violated green metal buildings while getting sick from magical healing, does that mean he has claws grafted to his skin?
I wondered why this scene, and the secret handshake chant, seemed familiar to me…
HeartBlade
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Sort of jumping on since I havent watched and dont plan to watch this show either but two questions.
What caused the crystal to be exposed to the point where the character can turn the crystal red but still use the lightsaber as a lightsaber?
In the visual dictionary, the kyber crystal is close to the center of the hilt with the power source at the bottom and the focusing emitter at the top basically. If the crystal is exposed, that either means the power source is damaged severely to the point that the saber should not turn on or the emitter is damaged to the point where the power turns on but you would get a flashlight probably. Was the saber broken to the side to expose the crystal while keeping the basic parts intact?
Why do people not like synthetic crystals?
I know synthetic crystals was made non-canon by Lucas before the Disney acquisition but I always liked the synthetic crystal idea to be honest. Its fits with the Sith idea of focusing on their own power and strength rather than being in touch with nature and the force as a whole. The synthetic crystal is the literal crystalization of the sith's anger/hate/malice/desire for power that is weaponized against their enemies. Not only is it "sustainable" (Sith can create crystals on their own with intense meditation while jedi need to scour the galaxy for rare crystals), the synthetic crystal is also more "powerful" than kyber crystals since a Sith's blade can overpower and short out a jedi's.
The Sith have always been the "innovators" in the force-sensitive community (they are the ones who invented the lightsaber after all with the jedi using "lame" force-attuned swords iirc) so the Sith also innovating by making lightsabers without dependence on rare materials always made sense to me. Luke also makes a synthetic crystal in legends iirc because Kyber crytals became even more rare so the jedi also adopt the way of the synthetic crystal too.
What caused the crystal to be exposed to the point where the character can turn the crystal red but still use the lightsaber as a lightsaber?
In the visual dictionary, the kyber crystal is close to the center of the hilt with the power source at the bottom and the focusing emitter at the top basically. If the crystal is exposed, that either means the power source is damaged severely to the point that the saber should not turn on or the emitter is damaged to the point where the power turns on but you would get a flashlight probably. Was the saber broken to the side to expose the crystal while keeping the basic parts intact?
Why do people not like synthetic crystals?
I know synthetic crystals was made non-canon by Lucas before the Disney acquisition but I always liked the synthetic crystal idea to be honest. Its fits with the Sith idea of focusing on their own power and strength rather than being in touch with nature and the force as a whole. The synthetic crystal is the literal crystalization of the sith's anger/hate/malice/desire for power that is weaponized against their enemies. Not only is it "sustainable" (Sith can create crystals on their own with intense meditation while jedi need to scour the galaxy for rare crystals), the synthetic crystal is also more "powerful" than kyber crystals since a Sith's blade can overpower and short out a jedi's.
The Sith have always been the "innovators" in the force-sensitive community (they are the ones who invented the lightsaber after all with the jedi using "lame" force-attuned swords iirc) so the Sith also innovating by making lightsabers without dependence on rare materials always made sense to me. Luke also makes a synthetic crystal in legends iirc because Kyber crytals became even more rare so the jedi also adopt the way of the synthetic crystal too.
My 2 cents on the crystal bleeding...
I didn't see Sols lightsaber as 'breaking' when it hit the ground as in breaking and will no longer be able to be used as a lightsaber. I think the point of that shot was for the audience to see the crystal inside the lightsaber and establish that there is a crystal inside the lightsaber because that is relevant to the upcoming actions in the show. I think the show should have trusted more that we the audience all know there is a crystal inside lightsabers but it didn't bother me too much because I understand why they 'showed' the crystal.
I know from the Darth Vader comicbook that Vader held his crystal in his hand to bleed it but I don't necessarily think that is the only way to bleed a crystal. The Force is an invisible energy that can travel across distance, such as moving an object or choking someone across a room.
To me, as Osha poured her anger, hate, and rage into Sol she was holding the lightsaber and the Force transferred her anger, hate, and rage through the lightsaber and into the crystal to bleed the crystal. To me, the Force was able to radiate out from her hand through the lightsaber and into the crystal, she didn't need to be holding the crystal to bleed it.
The exposed crystal that we the audience could see was so we could see the crystal change color and have the blade turning from blue to red make sense. I agree it was the most watered-down way to do it but I understand why they did it the way they did.
I didn't see Sols lightsaber as 'breaking' when it hit the ground as in breaking and will no longer be able to be used as a lightsaber. I think the point of that shot was for the audience to see the crystal inside the lightsaber and establish that there is a crystal inside the lightsaber because that is relevant to the upcoming actions in the show. I think the show should have trusted more that we the audience all know there is a crystal inside lightsabers but it didn't bother me too much because I understand why they 'showed' the crystal.
I know from the Darth Vader comicbook that Vader held his crystal in his hand to bleed it but I don't necessarily think that is the only way to bleed a crystal. The Force is an invisible energy that can travel across distance, such as moving an object or choking someone across a room.
To me, as Osha poured her anger, hate, and rage into Sol she was holding the lightsaber and the Force transferred her anger, hate, and rage through the lightsaber and into the crystal to bleed the crystal. To me, the Force was able to radiate out from her hand through the lightsaber and into the crystal, she didn't need to be holding the crystal to bleed it.
The exposed crystal that we the audience could see was so we could see the crystal change color and have the blade turning from blue to red make sense. I agree it was the most watered-down way to do it but I understand why they did it the way they did.
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Synthetic means you can make a lot of them (unlimited?). Takes away the rarity and special nature of them.
HeartBlade
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While true that in theory you could make an unlimited amount, the process of making the crystal is hard to the point that its not practical. I think there was also the case of kyber crystals becoming even scarcer than before because many were used to create the Death Stars so the new order were running low as is. Would kind of suck if someone couldnt be a jedi just because there wasnt enough crystals (although I think they also explored using different things to replace kyber crystals to focus their lightsabers as well).
Ok, I decided to see the scene and maybe its because I dont have the full context but while the idea of seeing a saber being "bled" in real time is possibly a cool idea, yeah the scene did not show invoke that feeling for me.
Looking at Wookiepedia, bleeding a kyber crystal is supposed to be hard with the dark side user essentially forcing the crystal to bend to their will and align with them. Vader (the one) struggles to bleed his crystal because he gets visions encouraging to return back to the light and requires a single-minded focus on turning the crystal red. Ben's crystal breaking (and that resulting blade) was apparently a result of his crystal cracking while bleeding. Kind of expected something bigger than a shout and a swing for the blade to start turning red. I can see why people make the meme that sabers are now "mood rings."
‘The Acolyte’ Canceled: No Season 2 For Disney+’s ‘Star Wars’ Series
The story of The Acolyte will not continue, with LucasFilm opting not to proceed with Season 2 of the Star Wars offshoot starring Amandla Stenberg.
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joberg
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I.T.Y.S: "I Told You So"‘The Acolyte’ Canceled: No Season 2 For Disney+’s ‘Star Wars’ Series
The story of The Acolyte will not continue, with LucasFilm opting not to proceed with Season 2 of the Star Wars offshoot starring Amandla Stenberg.
‘The Acolyte’ Canceled: No Season 2 For Disney+’s ‘Star Wars’ Series
The story of The Acolyte will not continue, with LucasFilm opting not to proceed with Season 2 of the Star Wars offshoot starring Amandla Stenberg.
This just in—
Badly written, badly executed shows based on agenda which end with lower viewership than MS. MARVEL get canceled. It’s not because of “toxic fans” or “incels” or “review bombing”.
In reality, it’s because of a vocal, toxic minority who support anything and everything with the brand’s name stamped on it, and have cheered and clapped like seals for the deconstruction and destruction of this once-great franchise at every turn.
Film at eleven.
Badly written, badly executed shows based on agenda which end with lower viewership than MS. MARVEL get canceled. It’s not because of “toxic fans” or “incels” or “review bombing”.
In reality, it’s because of a vocal, toxic minority who support anything and everything with the brand’s name stamped on it, and have cheered and clapped like seals for the deconstruction and destruction of this once-great franchise at every turn.
Film at eleven.
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JediG60racer
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As a lifelong Star Wars fan, 20 year member of the 501st and Rebel Legion, and co-founder of a Star Wars fan club that has been around for 22 years... I got three episodes in and have not felt inspired to watch any further.
Not shocked that it tanked.
Give us more Andor please. Shows with actual storytelling, character development, characters that are intriguing and likeable, and actual cinematography. Take a lesson from The Mandalorean. Let actual fans like Dallas Bryce Howard and John Favreau and Dave Filoni helm Star Wars for the next 20 years and we'll be fine.
Not shocked that it tanked.
Give us more Andor please. Shows with actual storytelling, character development, characters that are intriguing and likeable, and actual cinematography. Take a lesson from The Mandalorean. Let actual fans like Dallas Bryce Howard and John Favreau and Dave Filoni helm Star Wars for the next 20 years and we'll be fine.
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