SW Acolyte in a tail spin

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I couldn't agree more and as someone who has a larger funny bone than most, i can be easily misunderstood, which i think when it comes to texting and forums we have constantly keep ourselves in check. I know my own hearts intentions but reading others can be tricky, which makes what you said even more necessary. I'm sure many who don't agree with my points of view might get angry every time i crack a joke, in large part because i might come against everything they love...so they take it personally. The main point of what i'm trying to say is, yeah, i don't care if you like the ST...that's great...you all know i don't, or anything else for that matter that Disney is producing but please!...Don't think i don't like you personally because you do. Sometimes i even go out of my way to try to joke with those in a light hearted way who i know normally don't converse with me on here...with barely ever a response in return, and that is my way of giving you an olive branch.

Now forgive me Kylash, only mentioning you because of your post, which i entirely agree with about "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" but that 100% deals with the attitude of the heart behind it. Where this can be tricky is, people are being labeled as hateful or not being nice, simply because they "voice" displeasure with it. Do i need to be corrected at times? Don't we all? Of course, but then to have the response "You're not being nice" thrown in your face , and having that mantra used to keep people silent, only serves for the "offended" to own every narrative of a discussion without pushback and that is not a viable solution. I'm sure some want it that way so they can control everyone else. (I'm not saying you are one of those people). Our biggest war isn't with flesh and blood...it's not with each other. It's the principalities behind what we believe and what we like or dislike that is at odds. Psab, i just love what you said about not assuming the worst in people. In some ways we are all guilty...whether or not some have earned it because they've given enough evidence that, that is who they are. What i have to remember is each one of us is just a moment away of having a change of heart...or coming to the realization that they are wrong.

I will admit...I can go overboard with my constant joking and hammering a point home. To be transparent, it's sort of how i deal with a disease i have that really has me go through periods of depression...and no, it's not trying to put others down to lift myself up...it's simply to laugh. Those of you who know me personally know that i am my worst critic and i beat myself down more than anyone could. I don't have a hateful bone in my body but use passive aggressive language towards me, or try to suppress my freedom to speak or have an opinion, or try to push some wicked agenda that i believe to be harmful, especially against women and children and you most likely will get a sharp response back. With that being said, i still don't hate anyone.

If i have truly hurt someone on here or embarrased someone...It's not in my heart to, but just PM me and let me know what it was and i will do my best to make it right. I want all of us to feel free to talk with each other on here again...even if you think the ST was better than the OT...lol. i'll forgive you...lol. I will do my best not to be overbearing. I do believe we are all better when we strive to point out the beauty of things as opposed to the ugliness...we all need grace, i know i need to give more of it as well.

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My post was mostly target at people who do nothing but spew negativity, even if it’s opinion, it’s usually not constructive or useful and is better off not said. Is that silencing other opinions? Maybe, but some of those people need a bit reflection anyway. Being negative is rarely productive. It’s a sentiment that’s main intention is to get you to stop and think “is this really worth saying or am I just venting.”

For instance, does going into an Acolyte thread to say “Disney sucks” for the 10th time contribute tk any useful conversation? No, it just makes it annoying for people trying to have actual conversations especially people engaged with the show. 10 years ago if someone hated a show or movie they just didn’t constantly participate in a thread about it, why would they, but nowadays everyone has to let the world know they hate something.
 
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I mean, this thread title should be a clear indication of the potential tone of the conversation. Likewise, only positive feedback can be it's own echochamber too.

I get what you're saying about the negative drum beat though. That can get tiring. Maybe we need a lightside discussion thread which focuses on the positives and a darkside discussion thread for "haters" like myself. Just a thought.

Most of what I've seen in this thread has been lighthearted, if not dad level jokes, which the posters don't take too seriously at all.
 
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Like this sign, which clearly indicates that booster juice is in a tailspin.... See how I played that off as a reason to share this pic I just had my son take when we went to Mcd's about 39 minutes ago....

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Psab keel said:
I mean, this thread title should be a clear indication of the potential tone of the conversation. Likewise, only positive feedback can be it's own echochamber too.

I get what you're saying about the negative drum beat though. That can get tiring. Maybe we need a lightside discussion thread which focuses on the positives and a darkside discussion thread for "haters" like myself. Just a thought.

Most of what I've seen in this thread has been lighthearted, if not dad level jokes, which the posters don't take too seriously at all.
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There was one, which i participated in and tried having story discussions about the show in, but every other post was the same negative stuff which kept it off track and eventually caused it to get locked when it went off the rails.
 
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My post was mostly target at people who do nothing but spew negativity, even if it’s opinion, it’s usually not constructive or useful and is better off not said. Is that silencing other opinions? Maybe, but some of those people need a bit reflection anyway. Being negative is rarely productive. It’s a sentiment that’s main intention is to get you to stop and think “is this really worth saying or am I just venting.”

For instance, does going into an Acolyte thread to say “Disney sucks” for the 10th time contribute tk any useful conversation? No, it just makes it annoying for people trying to have actual conversations especially people engaged with the show. 10 years ago if someone hated a show or movie they just didn’t constantly participate in a thread about it, why would they, but nowadays everyone has to let the world know they hate something.
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I see what you're saying...constant negativity is rarely productive. Saying Disney sucks for the 10th time is no more productive than saying Disney is awesome for the 10th time with nothing to back it up. But, I will always defend both peoples right to say it. We all need a bit of reflection and pause and to be contrite, but accusing each other of having our own echo chambers and such isn't productive either. Disney needs a lesson in humility as well, and as long as they continue to attack fans and cause division then there will be pushback. That doesn't mean the fans have to war with each other. I believe when there is something GREAT to talk about, that's where the discussion will overwhelmingly be positive, but if not, then the mediocrity will also play out in the discussion. Unfortunately, in my opinion they have not produced anything GREAT...that is not a slander of the fans who happen to love it, it's simply a difference of opinion so instead of the personal retorts back at the fans who disagree with it, maybe say, I'm sorry you feel that way but this is why I like it. I personally don't think that's too much to ask but I don't have the power to police it and neither do you so it all comes down to each one of us taking personal responsibility, make an effort to have a discussion, and if there are jokes directed at material then don't take it personally whereby accusations get flung at an RPF member because they flung an insult at the material. Laugh at it, don't laugh at it, let it go, or move on. That takes restraint. Yes, I can restrain my jokes as well but I never make it with ill intent at another RPF member, so I don't think I need another accusation coming back in the form of passive aggressive about living in my own echo chamber when WE ALL have them. I look forward to having more discussions with you and I want you to know I'm not upset at you, don't have any I'll will towards you. We just happen to have different tastes.
 
This is probably the 80th time this topic has been brought up. What ends up changing? Next to nothing. Sometimes a few people ease up for a while but then eventually like clockwork they go back to doing the same things.

I love Star Wars but I'm not a huge fan of Disney or this particular show but I don't see the point in berating it (or Disney) over and over endlessly. It's boring, truly. But I know I can't change or control other people, they can say what they want. I can only worry about myself and control how or if I respond. I read this thread (and others) knowing there will be a good deal of negativity, a great deal of self righteous bs, a lot of repetition and occasionally something worth my time. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's overwhelmingly obnoxious, sometimes it's interesting. It's likely not going to change, no matter what reasonable approach is used. Many have tried, all have failed. I don't see why those who love this show or have something good to say about it are letting members on here get to them to the point where their voices aren't heard at all. Speak up and ignore posts that are obnoxious. Be yourself. I miss hearing from particular people who often have great insights even though I disagree on some things with them. Anyhow just my 2 cents. No harm intended at all.
 
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If we really wanted to take Disney down a notch. We need to look into anti monopoly laws. I don't believe for a second that they aren't breaking scores. The old studios of the Golden Age of Hollywood were hit for less. (Heck I feel Bell Telephone was hit for less.)
 
The quality of the 12 year old level trolling hasn't improved. At least once every 5 comments someone just reaches out and slips us the "oh ya right like right ya right haha whatever ya right like your opinion would ever change anything" blablabla.

If you were curious if we had any hopes of the convo getting any better? That ship already sailed.

If you were curious if the Acolyte were going to get any better? That ship already sank.
 
Insightful & original thoughts and opinions always have and always will matter.

Change comes from being receptive to it which some here through their actions have often demonstrated they are not, especially when it comes to negativity. Maybe in the future that will be different but that issue is much larger than this forum. Overwhelming negativity is everywhere online (especially about this show). So instead of trying to change things through trying to change others, maybe change through our own actions. If members want to be able to discuss the Acolyte in positive terms then do it and ignore the echo chamber & negativity. If members want positivity in general, just be positive and treat others well yourself. Others will eventually emulate it because it feels good and if they don't so what? Their loss. Don't give power over yourself to others.

Personally I don't think it's difficult to ignore the sanctimonious echo chamber bs/negativity if you just take it for what it is and move on to the next post. It's just Star Wars/Disney it doesn't need to be taken so seriously, have a sense of humor about it! But not everyone feels that way. It's hard for some to ignore and makes the atmosphere too heavy for them to want to take part in. I agree that making a specific thread to discuss the downfalls of Disney and SW is a decent idea although that could completely backfire.

*Edited because I left out the sentence about not taking things so seriously & having a sense of humor.
 
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