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SW Acolyte in a tail spin
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On of the best description for ‘The Acolyte’ is that it’s akin to ‘The Eternals’ in the MCU.
Both actually have an interesting and compelling story full of lore that builds a foundation for later stories. In both, the characters themselves are actually fascinating but the audience just couldn’t get interested in them and although the story itself is solid as a movie/TV show it just fell flat in execution.
I think as a comic book series or novel ‘The Acolyte’ would have been highly enjoyed by SW fans. As a TV show it couldn’t overcome its shortcomings.
Both actually have an interesting and compelling story full of lore that builds a foundation for later stories. In both, the characters themselves are actually fascinating but the audience just couldn’t get interested in them and although the story itself is solid as a movie/TV show it just fell flat in execution.
I think as a comic book series or novel ‘The Acolyte’ would have been highly enjoyed by SW fans. As a TV show it couldn’t overcome its shortcomings.
ScourgiousJinx
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I keep coming back to this thread to experience the power of many.
Oh, do I wanna wade into the swamp? Why would I? Should I? There is no upside, but for some bizarre reason it is tempting. To comment on the worst received, most dislike series ever in Star Wars, and that is saying something.
Should I talk about what I liked????
Some of my favorite youtubers hate everything, but in all the garbage since the OT I can always find something I like.
Do I comment on what I did not like? Why, what could I add that is new?
In the words of the great Kenneth Branagh, decisions, decisions?????
Should I talk about what I liked????
Some of my favorite youtubers hate everything, but in all the garbage since the OT I can always find something I like.
Do I comment on what I did not like? Why, what could I add that is new?
In the words of the great Kenneth Branagh, decisions, decisions?????
Screw it. Here we go.
New Sith. Speaking as a very content Heterosexual male, he was one sexy bitch. The guy did a great job with what he had and if the story was better, he would be an instant star.
His helmet and costume sucked.
The lightsaber battles were awesome and I loved he had a defense and actually got hit taking on multiple Jedi. I thought that was well done and much more realistic than taking on a bunch and never getting hit.
X23 was great, but her look was terrible. The actress has a rare look of beautiful, but badass at the same time. Just watch Deadpool Vs. Wolverine. Should have left her natural human. Her lightsaber worked rocked.
As a chubby 53 year old, Jedi can not be chubby. Ever seen an active duty chubby Navy Seal? No you have not.
Squid game guy was great. Again, great actor in a bad story.
Did not look like a 180 million production. I do not believe they spent near that much and it's honestly naïve to believe they did. It looked good. Just not that expansive.
Beyond fun new stuff. Busy Jedi at the temple. Lots going on. Fun new droid and little rodent character. Cool new ship.
Characters making the dumbest decisions, and taking actions that makes no sense what so ever. Jedi acting like the most idiotic people from Idiocracy.
Lead was terrible. Worst performance in anything. Not just Star Wars. Ever!!!!!!!!!!! Actors in Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes were better. Halle Berry is a Goddess and an incredible actress so don't try any racist crap with me. Plus my wife is Colombian so there!!!!!!!
Story. Worst and dumbest ever. Makes no sense. Completely obliterates canon with a big middle finger to all Star Wars fans. Last Jedi was bad enough, but this took the hatred of cannon and previous Star Wars to a whole new level.
Putting Yoda and Plagueis in this trash was sick. I mean sick, by a sick person.
Of course I have already written a continuation that fixes this trash and brings it back into canon, but my adventures in Hollywood were not fun so I did not stay.
Okay, oh yeah what the FU#(U@*(EHDIPJP(JP!!!!!!!!!!! is the deal with the lightsaber whip we hardly get to see. That could have been cool.
New Sith. Speaking as a very content Heterosexual male, he was one sexy bitch. The guy did a great job with what he had and if the story was better, he would be an instant star.
His helmet and costume sucked.
The lightsaber battles were awesome and I loved he had a defense and actually got hit taking on multiple Jedi. I thought that was well done and much more realistic than taking on a bunch and never getting hit.
X23 was great, but her look was terrible. The actress has a rare look of beautiful, but badass at the same time. Just watch Deadpool Vs. Wolverine. Should have left her natural human. Her lightsaber worked rocked.
As a chubby 53 year old, Jedi can not be chubby. Ever seen an active duty chubby Navy Seal? No you have not.
Squid game guy was great. Again, great actor in a bad story.
Did not look like a 180 million production. I do not believe they spent near that much and it's honestly naïve to believe they did. It looked good. Just not that expansive.
Beyond fun new stuff. Busy Jedi at the temple. Lots going on. Fun new droid and little rodent character. Cool new ship.
Characters making the dumbest decisions, and taking actions that makes no sense what so ever. Jedi acting like the most idiotic people from Idiocracy.
Lead was terrible. Worst performance in anything. Not just Star Wars. Ever!!!!!!!!!!! Actors in Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes were better. Halle Berry is a Goddess and an incredible actress so don't try any racist crap with me. Plus my wife is Colombian so there!!!!!!!
Story. Worst and dumbest ever. Makes no sense. Completely obliterates canon with a big middle finger to all Star Wars fans. Last Jedi was bad enough, but this took the hatred of cannon and previous Star Wars to a whole new level.
Putting Yoda and Plagueis in this trash was sick. I mean sick, by a sick person.
Of course I have already written a continuation that fixes this trash and brings it back into canon, but my adventures in Hollywood were not fun so I did not stay.
Okay, oh yeah what the FU#(U@*(EHDIPJP(JP!!!!!!!!!!! is the deal with the lightsaber whip we hardly get to see. That could have been cool.
Well, Variety just validated a number of the opinions in this thread: Fans will take the blame for the failure of their show...
variety.com
So shut up and eat your Acolyte, or apparently you're simply a bigot.
Amandla Stenberg Says ‘The Acolyte’ Being Canceled Was ‘Not a Huge Shock’ After ‘Rampage of Vitriol’ From Toxic ‘Star Wars’ Fans
Amandla Stenberg reacts to 'The Acolyte' ending on Disney+, saying it was "not a huge shock" after she faced bigotry from alt-right 'Star Wars' fans.
variety.com
So shut up and eat your Acolyte, or apparently you're simply a bigot.
On the lightsaber battles. I am sorry but they were pretty awesome. Some like Nerdrotic, who I like, just hate everything and when they say the lightsaber battles were no good in this or Obi Wan. Please!!!!!!!!!!! It's just obvious they are gonna hate everything. The battle between Vader and Obi Wan in the Obi Wan series was awesome. We saw things we have never scene including Vader in his prime in a serious fight. Low lighting sucked. Taken care of by awesome youtubers. Setting sucked. Intermix with what's her face going after Luke, sucked and again a youtuber took care of that, but the battle was awesome. Obi walking away letting Vader continue to murder was as stupid as the bulk of the show, but the battle and the end conversation was awesome. Seriously I got choked up and my wife is still mad I did not cry at our wedding.
I love Babu Frik and I believe The Last Jedi is the work of Satan himself.
Something may suck, but just saying everything about it was awful is disingenuous in many cases.
Remember Megaforce???
I love Babu Frik and I believe The Last Jedi is the work of Satan himself.
Something may suck, but just saying everything about it was awful is disingenuous in many cases.
Remember Megaforce???
Well, Variety just validated a number of the opinions in this thread: Fans will take the blame for the failure of their show...
Amandla Stenberg Says ‘The Acolyte’ Being Canceled Was ‘Not a Huge Shock’ After ‘Rampage of Vitriol’ From Toxic ‘Star Wars’ Fans
Amandla Stenberg reacts to 'The Acolyte' ending on Disney+, saying it was "not a huge shock" after she faced bigotry from alt-right 'Star Wars' fans.
So shut up and eat your Acolyte, or apparently you're simply a bigot.
I'm a bigot, he's a bigot, she's a bigot, we're a bigot, wouldn't you like to be a bigot too!!
Anyone?
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If you really believe so many of the franchise fans are toxic, then the smart move from a business stand point would be to go ahead and just make toxic shows.
Yes, oddly enough. And it scarred me for life:
Seriously... no grown adult male needs to be running around in a tight shiny gold jumpsuit!!!. Mr. Bostwick here looks like a cross between a tryout for TheBeeGees and an extra in Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. O.O
Yeah, but it is so fantastically bad that I am grateful it was made.
I actually taped PVC pipe under my handlebars by the handgrips on my BMX!!! bike, and put darts in them from my dart board. Then I would pull them out and throw them at targets while riding my bike. They looked like rockets in the tubes, but were "functional".
Good times.
I actually taped PVC pipe under my handlebars by the handgrips on my BMX!!! bike, and put darts in them from my dart board. Then I would pull them out and throw them at targets while riding my bike. They looked like rockets in the tubes, but were "functional".
Good times.
Expected behavior from haters acting like victims. The constant hate they spread while destroying every project they write themselves by simply being terrible writers and terrible actors. Their excuse is always diversity and follow that with bigotry towards diversity. So, you hired a bunch of known terrible writers and a crew of actors who hate everyone in the world other than themselves. We rarely had issues with poor scripting on mega dollar projects prior to the last writer's strike. They simply cleaned house and brought in trash. It isn't any more diverse than it was 20 years ago. Hollywood has been the full range of personalities and races for decades. But this recent, relentless excuse making is easily the nail in the coffin on Hollywood and Disney. If they can't reign in the hate mongering and audience bashing, they are truly a past tense. Hey yo, remember Disney? Or Star Wars? Kind of, but It seems they haven't done any stuff recently, right? Are they still there?Well, Variety just validated a number of the opinions in this thread: Fans will take the blame for the failure of their show...
Amandla Stenberg Says ‘The Acolyte’ Being Canceled Was ‘Not a Huge Shock’ After ‘Rampage of Vitriol’ From Toxic ‘Star Wars’ Fans
Amandla Stenberg reacts to 'The Acolyte' ending on Disney+, saying it was "not a huge shock" after she faced bigotry from alt-right 'Star Wars' fans.
So shut up and eat your Acolyte, or apparently you're simply a bigot.
And I appreciated this thread being started instead of hammering those nails into the original Let's Talk All Things Star Wars thread. That one can continue to cover discussions about episodes and storylines and props without being buried in news about the closure. Letting the fanbase have a clean spot to enjoy shared interests. Let's all agree to not go there..... ya I am also talking to those who want to continue making the fans the bad guys. Share projects, talk storyline, stop the incessent hatred of people who disagree with you. This thread is evidence enough that someone thought of your feelings by not putting all this over there.
I still think that the same guy who buys up Disney stock at every bad press release is the same guy instigating the self destruction that is happening inside Disney. It is just a guess, but when you are the person who tried to hide the original meaning of "social engineering" and you seem to be purposely investing billions in purchasing the largest media company in the world, at the time it seems to be a terrible investment, you might very well be bringing the stock price down manually before buying it outright, knowing it will rebound the moment you give the order to stop producing trash.
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Yup. This. All day, everyday.
NakedMoleRat
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They keep talking about racist hater attacks on Amandala, but I’ve yet to see any posts, or YouTube videos that back up that claim.
I guess negative reviews translate into hate for lesbian show runners and actors of color.
I guess negative reviews translate into hate for lesbian show runners and actors of color.
I will say… I love all Star Wars from the OT, PT, SW Disney movies, and even all of the SW TV shows. With that said, I don’t love every minute of every show/movie, I can see where I wish different decisions had been made, and I can see where ideas, characters, story points, and production execution could have been much better.
But if ‘Deadpool and Wolverine’ has taught me anything, it is that if you want to make a trillion dollars, make something that all your fans love, and have the hit entertainment piece of the year….. JUST GIVE THE FANS WHAT THEY WANT AND STOP TRYING TO INTENTIONALLY BE NEW, DIFFERENT, OR UNEXPECTED.
It shouldn’t be so hard to make awesome SW movies and tv shows. Just make the stories we want that we’ve been asking for and make those productions world class in all areas.
But if ‘Deadpool and Wolverine’ has taught me anything, it is that if you want to make a trillion dollars, make something that all your fans love, and have the hit entertainment piece of the year….. JUST GIVE THE FANS WHAT THEY WANT AND STOP TRYING TO INTENTIONALLY BE NEW, DIFFERENT, OR UNEXPECTED.
It shouldn’t be so hard to make awesome SW movies and tv shows. Just make the stories we want that we’ve been asking for and make those productions world class in all areas.
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I'm confused by Amandla Stenberg's blaming of "hyper-conservative bigots" for the failure of The Acolyte to get renewed for a second season. Surely the "hyper-conservative bigots" were never part of the intended audience for The Acolyte in the first place and were never going to watch it anyway. So why would Disney worry that the total viewership numbers didn't include a segment of audience that would never have been a part of what they originally projected? Am I misunderstanding something? Is Stenberg saying that "hyper-conservative bigots" discouraged people who aren't "hyper-conservative bigots" from watching a show that would otherwise have appealed to them? That People Who Aren't "HCBs" listened to the "woke" criticisms from "hyper-conservative bigots" even though they wouldn't ordinarily be concerned about a show being woke?
Disney, ostensibly did not renew The Acolyte because it didn't get high enough viewership numbers.* Remember, they didn't cancel it. They played every episode they have in Season 1 and did not renew it for a second season. Season 2 was never guaranteed. But both Variety and The Hollywood Reporter reported that "the series was review-bombed, meaning that a group of fans formed a digital protest and posted negative reviews en masse." So are we saying that Disney did not renew Acolyte because of bad reviews despite good viewership numbers? Or did the show get good viewership numbers but Disney instead paid attention to negative reviews left by "hyper-conservative bigots" instead of positive reviews from people who actually liked the show and watched the whole lot?
I must be missing something, but I can't think what. What seems most logical to me is that Disney saw the viewership numbers drop episode by episode, sought to find out why and decided to look at the internet to see what the fans - not the critics - were saying about the show. If we're being fair to Disney, they are smart enough to distinguish between reviews that are hate-filled invective and reviews from Nice People™ but who didn't like the show and provided thoughtful and well-reasoned explanations as to why. Disney discarded the hate-filled invective reviews because, obviously the SW fanbase isn't made up of "hyper-conservative bigots" in its entirety, right? They then looked at the thoughtful and well-reasoned reviews and said "Yeah, that's a good point actually. Now I understand that viewers won't excuse the poor writing of a TV series even if it does tick a bunch of diversity boxes."
*Buried at the end of their article, THR said "But viewership data was not strong enough to prompt a season two, according to sources." Which pretty much invalidates any criticism that "hyper-conservative bigots" ruined it, surely?
Disney, ostensibly did not renew The Acolyte because it didn't get high enough viewership numbers.* Remember, they didn't cancel it. They played every episode they have in Season 1 and did not renew it for a second season. Season 2 was never guaranteed. But both Variety and The Hollywood Reporter reported that "the series was review-bombed, meaning that a group of fans formed a digital protest and posted negative reviews en masse." So are we saying that Disney did not renew Acolyte because of bad reviews despite good viewership numbers? Or did the show get good viewership numbers but Disney instead paid attention to negative reviews left by "hyper-conservative bigots" instead of positive reviews from people who actually liked the show and watched the whole lot?
I must be missing something, but I can't think what. What seems most logical to me is that Disney saw the viewership numbers drop episode by episode, sought to find out why and decided to look at the internet to see what the fans - not the critics - were saying about the show. If we're being fair to Disney, they are smart enough to distinguish between reviews that are hate-filled invective and reviews from Nice People™ but who didn't like the show and provided thoughtful and well-reasoned explanations as to why. Disney discarded the hate-filled invective reviews because, obviously the SW fanbase isn't made up of "hyper-conservative bigots" in its entirety, right? They then looked at the thoughtful and well-reasoned reviews and said "Yeah, that's a good point actually. Now I understand that viewers won't excuse the poor writing of a TV series even if it does tick a bunch of diversity boxes."
*Buried at the end of their article, THR said "But viewership data was not strong enough to prompt a season two, according to sources." Which pretty much invalidates any criticism that "hyper-conservative bigots" ruined it, surely?
See, this here is logic.
What you have from Disney is propaganda.
Not corporate propaganda, that would be called spin and would include KEEPING the audience, NOT purposely driving them away from your franchise. I am not speaking opinion. This is fact. I have an MBA and 30 years of experience (other degrees as well but MBA pertains) and can tell you, professionally, that this acidic hatred being spewed is political not business and is being spewed purposely. This type of seeming "outside control" and use of a company, for blasting a campaign like message, while knowingly destroying the value of the company, and thereby the stock value, is illegal. Someone is using a stockholder owned public company and purposely driving down the value or at minimum failing to attempt to profit. This is in direct breach of contract with those stock/share owners and should have seen a class action lawsuit already.
But we are seeing something else. Something new. This feels strange to us and the excuses are feeling illogical for a reason. It is so easy to see that what ZeroSum just reviewed above DOES actually point to a set of lies by Variety and by Disney, its actors and writers, in such a way as to purposely drive away their stock value or drive away responsibility. This feels odd, it feels sick, because it is. This behavior from what is supposed to be a business but is acting like a non profit political movement feels very Orwell 1984. The company is stock owned and not to be controlled by a political movement and IS NOT privately owned and able to do so within its own power. It is against its own contract with stockholders to use company assets for executive leadership's own agendas.
What James Kenobi 1138 pointed out is not just logical, it is built into the contract Disney has with its shareholders. Disney is in direct and open breach of contract. There is no question on this point.
That Variety story feels like a lie because it is a lie.
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Well that wouldn't shock me in the least if it came to light that there was other illegal financial activity going on. We know for a fact that they've got other lawsuits pending by majority shareholders for lying about reported numbers. These reports came from major media news outlets like CNN too, not just fringe sites.
This company recently unintentionally killed one of it's own customers due to willful negligence and attempted to get out of a wrongful death suit filed against them, using vague language buried in the terms of service from a trial subscription to Disney+ as well as terms of service for the purchase of Epcot tickets on their website. The ONLY reason they retracted their position was in response to the bad press they received over it, offering up some insincere apology that was drafted carefully by their lawyers.
Anyone who honestly believes the moral posturing of this mega corporation (no matter the issue) is being willfully ignorant. It was laughable/ frustrating before to see them stand on their soapboxes and preach to the unwashed masses about how everyone who doesn't think like them is racist/ bigoted, but there's a lot coming to light that proves, not just moral bankruptcy, but criminal activity.
It's not a crime to enjoy TV show, but the ardent defense of the company itself and its practices, by some fans and the press, is openly condoning them, and calls into question the motivations of those who do it. I have no tolerance for that.
This company recently unintentionally killed one of it's own customers due to willful negligence and attempted to get out of a wrongful death suit filed against them, using vague language buried in the terms of service from a trial subscription to Disney+ as well as terms of service for the purchase of Epcot tickets on their website. The ONLY reason they retracted their position was in response to the bad press they received over it, offering up some insincere apology that was drafted carefully by their lawyers.
Anyone who honestly believes the moral posturing of this mega corporation (no matter the issue) is being willfully ignorant. It was laughable/ frustrating before to see them stand on their soapboxes and preach to the unwashed masses about how everyone who doesn't think like them is racist/ bigoted, but there's a lot coming to light that proves, not just moral bankruptcy, but criminal activity.
It's not a crime to enjoy TV show, but the ardent defense of the company itself and its practices, by some fans and the press, is openly condoning them, and calls into question the motivations of those who do it. I have no tolerance for that.
That's a great way to sink D+, use the TOS in a lawsuit against the customer. Brilliant.
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