Suicide Squad (Post-release)
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See my last post.
You cant even compare Deadpool to this movie!
When I say "you", I don't mean you personally
I have a different take on it... With all the comparisons, I cringe to use Marvel as an example, but it works. Iron Man. Billionaire weapons manufacturer. Check. Critically injured by a regional warlord using his own weapons against him. Check. With the help of a learned man named Yinsin, Tony manages to use his genius to cobble together a means to keep himself alive, but ties it in with a means to also escape. Check. Tony now sees it as his mission to atone for his past shortsightedness, but he's still a self-absorbed sensualist. Check. Tony has assistants named, alliteratively, Happy Hogan and Pepper Potts. Check. Tony has a trusted (African-American) friend in the military named James "Rhodey" Rhodes. Check. Tony isn't satisfied with the armored suit he made, and constantly tinkers to upgrade and try out specific ideas. Check. Tony has a valet named Jarvis. Check. Tony struggles with alcoholism. Check.
And so on. Yes, a lot of details are changed. Tony was injured in Afghanistan rather than Southeast Asia. The tech is more advanced. Et cetera. But that just keeps it relevant, rather than being a period piece. The makers ticked all the required boxes, plus most of the optional ones, for Tony Stark's character and arc, because it worked. Yes, longtime fans will (and do) see familiar things from the comics in there, but it all stands on its own as part of the character and his story. There aren't moments of casual fans going "Wait, what's up with that?" as the makers focus on something from the comics that they dropped in as a nod but that isn't relevant to the story at hand. That's not fan service. That's recognizing what made the character popular in the first place and incorporating it into a new iteration/manifestation. You can change up a lot -- even ethnicity or gender -- but the essential core of what makes, say, Green Lantern... Green Lantern... needs to be kept and respected. Good filmmaking, when it involves a long-established I.P., uses the extant lore to draw from. When done right, this makes a movie or movies that new viewers can be engaged by just as potential readers were decades earlier. And at the same time, existing fans will recognize the character they've liked for however long.
Notice I said "when done right". This is where DC's filmmakers have struggled for... well... longer than I like to say. I honestly feel things started going in curious directions after Superman 2. Burton's vision for Batman was engaging, but a definite departure (his vision for Catwoman moreso). Batman Forever broke with the series' own canon by switching Harvey Dent from Billy Dee Williams to Tommy Lee Jones. Batman & Robin had such potential and squandered it in a Schumacherian weird-fest. Superman Returns was a lovely homage to the original two, but should have been two films. I am sad Routh never really got a chance to keep going and gradually tweak his performance from echoing Reeve to making the role his own. The Nolan Batman trilogy did a good job of steering that character back toward where he should be, but still made missteps. Green Lantern was... well, just flat-out mishandled.
Zack Snyder deserves his own paragraph. He did a decent job on 300 and less so on Watchmen (inexplicable drastic alteration to the ending), but that's because they were adaptations for specific self-contained stories, and, effectively, storyboards that he followed. Distilling the better part of a century of material down to Man of Steel? Not so much. The beginning was wonderful, and I would love to have seen all that as a "Last Days of Krypton" series (one or two seasons, ish). Too much of the rest of the film bogged down in un-thought-through/unclarified motivation for the villain, and a lot of Snyderian undercrank/overcrank/undercrank destruction porn. As with BvS, there was a good story in there, struggling to get out through the rubble.
Everything about SS seems more of the same. Ready fire aim. A notion, they pick some characters -- seeming more for audience recognition than suitability to the story, then an attempt to make it all work. Questionable motivations, questionable casting, questionable costuming, questionable just about everything. With that approach, the things that work are more from random chance than intentional design. To reference something slightly upthread, maybe cast someone who's from or lived in New York long enough to know the accent for realz. Hell, I'd love to see them cast Arleen Sorkin as Harley, and use the increasingly-good de-aging computer mojo a la Michael Douglas in Ant-Man. Not only was she the voice in the animated series, but take a few years off and I think she looks the part, too:
But she'd still have to have a reason to be there. Suicide Squad the comic has had a pretty variable cast over the years. The filmmakers' tendency over the last several years has been to look over the cumulative history of the titles, shrug, and throw a few of the most familiar elements into the movies with no rhyme or reason. And, for the life of me, I cannot understand why they're having so much trouble finding writers and directors who can convey a good, compelling story with good, compelling characters. They're out there, looking for work. Some of them even work for DC already.
--Jonah
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Jaitea
Master Member
Is there not some things that if said you will have to pay for?
US is not so special
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/10-countries-with-the-most-freedom-of-speech/
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@Inquisitor Peregrinus
Thats not Arleen Sorkin. Thats the other voice of Harley, Tara Strong. I love Arleen as Harley, she originated the role, but she's just not suitable to play her in a live action movie. neither is Tara. Margot did a really great job given what she had to work with.
Thats not Arleen Sorkin. Thats the other voice of Harley, Tara Strong. I love Arleen as Harley, she originated the role, but she's just not suitable to play her in a live action movie. neither is Tara. Margot did a really great job given what she had to work with.
All "freedom of speech" means here in the U.S. is that the government can't censor its citizens or their press. You can say anything you want unless some private party says no and can enforce it (as with the RPF's policies), but people have to accept the consequences of what they say. I can call someone a racial slur, but they have every right to then do the exact same back to me. I could even make an allowance for them hitting me in response, though that would be escalating things.
--Jonah
--Jonah
Just got back, LOVED it. My favorites were Harley Quinn and deadshot. The enchantress was super creepy. The visuals were outstanding! Awesome nod to the animated Harley as well! Loved Letos' Joker, I want to see more of him. It was a fun ride, great soundtrack and all the issues the critics are making a big deal of were hardly an obstacle for me. I plan on seeing it a few more times.
Dammit. Thanks for catching that. Love it when my computer fails to recognize when I try to copy a link and pastes the previous one I had instead. :facepalm Fixed.
David Ayer taking the fall, says it is his cut of the film.
http://www.slashfilm.com/suicide-squad-david-ayer-cut/
http://www.slashfilm.com/suicide-squad-david-ayer-cut/
Overall a fun movie and entertaining.
If I have any complaints it would be that the end battle really didn’t make any sense and seems that not much thought was put into it. Especially the way the all powerful witches were fighting the squad and how easily they were taken out.
If I have any complaints it would be that the end battle really didn’t make any sense and seems that not much thought was put into it. Especially the way the all powerful witches were fighting the squad and how easily they were taken out.
Mola Rob
Sr Member
I thought this movie started strong but ran out of gas along the way. The cast is great for the most part, I didn't care for Cara Delevingne at all as the Enchantress. I really have no opinion either way on Leto as the Joker, he wasn't given much to do, I would like to see him in the role in a movie with a smaller cast of characters. I don't think the Joker really needed to be in this movie anyway. Kind of a hit or miss bit of entertainment.
I liked it too. Found it very entertaining ! Robbie killed it, Smith did his thing and it works very well, Diablo was a nice surprise, Waller is a terrifying woman, basically the whole cast is good, even if some are clearly underused. Now the story is a mess, the bad guy is really another CGI throw away thing, and dropped the ball big time. But the mission actually makes sense, and I wasn't expecting that based on the reviews. Leto's joker looks definitely like the craziest joker so far, in the clinical sense. He's a crazy mob boss essentially. Not much screen time, but I liked what I saw and liked the chemistry with Harley ! Between laughing maniacally while Harley is shooting at the Bat through the roof of a car and bailing out on her to save his skin, he does give out a definitive comic joker vibe, with the Ayer gangster touch on top. And contrary to what I've read, the toxic relationship is there, he wants Harley back bad when he doesn't have her, but when he does he treats her like *****. While at the same time being possessive as hell. Truly an F'ed up relationship.
Last but not least the cameos were very very good.
Overall, certainly not a perfect film, not as smooth as a Marvel and really not written as well as it should have been, but very entertaining nonetheless. Does not deserve a 27% rotten tomatoes rating....
Last but not least the cameos were very very good.
Overall, certainly not a perfect film, not as smooth as a Marvel and really not written as well as it should have been, but very entertaining nonetheless. Does not deserve a 27% rotten tomatoes rating....
Mr Mold Maker
Master Member
Jared Leto's joker is featured in a Rick Ross video.. Apparently a Suicide Squad soundtrack tie-in.. But I don't recall this song in the film?
As if we needed more proof WB has no clue what to do with this character, and who their audience is..
May be worth a watch.. Probably more Leto in this than Suicide Squad itself.. The mute button is in the lower left corner. You're welcome.
https://youtu.be/ZkqyIoYAXV8
As if we needed more proof WB has no clue what to do with this character, and who their audience is..
May be worth a watch.. Probably more Leto in this than Suicide Squad itself.. The mute button is in the lower left corner. You're welcome.
https://youtu.be/ZkqyIoYAXV8
It was in the background during the Joker club scene.
Snikt
Sr Member
Dude...I wanted to like this movie, I really did. But dear god it was AWFUL. The beginning was decent, and the scene where deadshot showed off what he could do was fun, but dear god. The writing, the tone, the villians...everything was ridiculous. Harley killing enchantress for her friends? Will Smith not killing her for...reasons? Killer crocs stupid proportions, what was the villains name, brother? Thats it. Im never paying money to see a DC film ever again. The critics were right, this movie blows. I think people that are liking this movie want to like it, and they are doing the best the can to not trash it because they love DC stuff. As a film, this movie is garbage. There was no reason for Leto's Joker to be in this, at all. If this is their idea to stop metahumans, the only one with any powers was Diablo. Harley Quinn uses a bat for gods sakes. :facepalm
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Dont see how you could love it, but yeah, your favorites had to be HQ and Deadshot, they didnt develop anyone else. What did you like about Leto's Joker? Honestly, please elaborate, because Im at a loss to find ANY redeeming qualities, or reason for him to even be in the movie. The soundtrack was every pop song from the 70's and 80s arbitrarily thrown in. Especially in the vignette opening.
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Dont see how you could love it, but yeah, your favorites had to be HQ and Deadshot, they didnt develop anyone else. What did you like about Leto's Joker? Honestly, please elaborate, because Im at a loss to find ANY redeeming qualities, or reason for him to even be in the movie. The soundtrack was every pop song from the 70's and 80s arbitrarily thrown in. Especially in the vignette opening.
Snikt
Sr Member
This made me laugh way harder than it should. Because its totally accurate. :lol
I keep watching it and it just gets funnier.
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