Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)

[Joek3rr]

Not that I want them to do 10, 11, and 12 but it's not unreasonable to assume they won't do them at some point down the line. In another decade we will likely see it happen. Or a remake of 4, 5, 6.

I'd love remakes of 5 and 6. I want a comic or animated show that follows up after 'Star Wars', back when Anakin and Vader were separate people. And then I want the original Return of the Jedi, where Luke and Leia aren't siblings. A what if series, kinda thing.

 

[Psab keel]

I never said remakes of the OT were a good idea. I'm just saying I wouldn't put it past Lucasfilm to try it at some point.

An infinities type of comic or novel is one thing but to remake the films would be awful. As much as I dislike everything outside the OT, I also am against them remaking any of the other saga films too.

 

[cboath]

I don't think LFL would ever float the idea. Disney, on the other hand....

But i don't think they're that stupid, or at least i hope they aren't. They've not remade any of their own stuff. I don't count make a live action version of an animated film as they've been the same thing.

 

[HMSwolfe]

I don't think LFL would ever float the idea. Disney, on the other hand....

But i don't think they're that stupid, or at least i hope they aren't. They've not remade any of their own stuff. I don't count make a live action version of an animated film as they've been the same thing.

The Shaggy Dog. Several times.

 

[Dontdissthefett]

A remake/reboot of the OT would be a great idea! Judging by how well Ghostbusters 2016 was received by the GB fanbase I don’t know how they haven’t started pre-production yet. And we all know the OT isn’t nearly as passionately beloved by fans as Ghostbusters [emoji849]

Obvious sarcasm is obvious [emoji23]

 

[Psab keel]

I think George's sense of revisionism has been ingrained in the minds of many fans as though films aren't finished products when in fact they are. The moment a work of art is released to the public, there is very little that can be done to change the impression that work makes. Which is why I find George's constant tampering with his films to be so vexing. Sometimes you just gotta turn off your targeting computer man!

Would I have preferred that the later stories were different? Absolutely, and my take on what could have been was an intellectual exercise to prove that what was presented to us in theaters wasn't the only viable way to continue the story.

With that said, I am against tampering with the finished product because sometimes you just have to let things go. Which is why I would be against a remake of any of the Star Wars films. Even the bad ones. A re-imagining in the form of a comic or novel, like they did with The Star Wars comics a few years ago was kind of cool, but I think as movies to try and reboot it or remake it would just confuse audiences and would never come close to being good much less great.

I brought up a remake as a hypothetical because it's clear to me that very little, if anything, is "sacred" anymore when it comes to entertainment.

 

[HeartBlade]

I don't think LFL would ever float the idea. Disney, on the other hand....

But i don't think they're that stupid, or at least i hope they aren't. They've not remade any of their own stuff. I don't count make a live action version of an animated film as they've been the same thing.

yeah even if Lucasfilm made big bucks with the sequel trilogy and the other spin offs, Disney bought the IP, they are going to milk the cow. Look at all the live action remakes of their own classics they are making (and really who is the target audience). They own Star Wars and they are going to milk it until the udders are dry and keep on going.

I think the best way to see the failure of TLJ to build hype is to compare it to a what if of Avengers Infinity War. What if at the end of the movie, Thor did aim for the head and Thanos was killed before he used the glove. Happy ending with the big bad killed and minimal casualties of the main cast. Not that much hype for Endgame.

For TLJ, all they needed was maybe a quick flash of Palpatine when Snoke was bisected, maybe a mysterious voice saying good all according to plan when Luke dies and the infamous cackling laughter. Non-fans would know the heroes arnt out of the woods yet and fans would know Palpatine is back and was pulling the strings as always.

 

[Psab keel]

I just re-watched The Star Wars Legacy Problem: The People Who Killed Star Wars by Robot Head. Absolutely hilarious!

 

[vader45]

I cant believe this is still pinned and it still gets replies!

 

[vader45]

The thought of remaking the OT should not even be a subject of talk here and should have never been brought up. It being a thought in anyone's head is just as bad as the action itself. Clear your heads and move on.

I tolarated remakes of my favorite horror films.

 

[robn1]

The thought of remaking the OT should not even be a subject of talk here and should have never been brought up. It being a thought in anyone's head is just as bad as the action itself. Clear your heads and move on.

I tolarated remakes of my favorite horror films.

Thanks for telling everybody what we should and should not discuss. To make things easier for you, just post a list of all the threads and subjects that don't interest you so we can shut them all down.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

We could discuss Palpatine’s rise as a politician, oh, wait, we can’t...

 

[vader45]

Thanks for telling everybody what we should and should not discuss. To make things easier for you, just post a list of all the threads and subjects that don't interest you so we can shut them all down.

Way to take my post seriously and to heart. Losen up!

 

[cboath]

yeah even if Lucasfilm made big bucks with the sequel trilogy and the other spin offs, Disney bought the IP, they are going to milk the cow. Look at all the live action remakes of their own classics they are making (and really who is the target audience). They own Star Wars and they are going to milk it until the udders are dry and keep on going.

I think the best way to see the failure of TLJ to build hype is to compare it to a what if of Avengers Infinity War. What if at the end of the movie, Thor did aim for the head and Thanos was killed before he used the glove. Happy ending with the big bad killed and minimal casualties of the main cast. Not that much hype for Endgame.

For TLJ, all they needed was maybe a quick flash of Palpatine when Snoke was bisected, maybe a mysterious voice saying good all according to plan when Luke dies and the infamous cackling laughter. Non-fans would know the heroes arnt out of the woods yet and fans would know Palpatine is back and was pulling the strings as always.

Don't think the avengers analogy works.

People knew about endgame a couple years (or more) before Infinity War was released. I guess the analogy works if you label it as Infitinity War I and II like the original slide that was shown. But if it was just there was another avengers moving coming, people would still be hyped because the previous avengers flicks weren't really tied together. They were just new stories, not continuations.

As for ST, if you're going to successfully use palp, then, he's gotta be revealed to some extent in TLJ - he wasn't.

I'm going to go off on a tangent here. I just watched Knives Out last night. Written and Directed by RJ. It was really good. It changed my opinion of TLJ. I don't think of him as a hack who had no idea about his source material. I think of him as wanting to insert his own ideas into an existing story and it blew up in his face. When you're working as part of a team (for lack of a better word), you don't get to just up and do whatever the hell you want in your part. You have to stay within scope. He didn't. He went off wildly. And pretty much everyone disagreed with his choices. I think a lot of his choices could have been redeemed in IX, but i think it takes more work than they had time for in one flick. Plus, you have to get someone who liked what he did to continue in that direction to finish it off.

IX had too much to do. Carrie dying was a major problem. Backlash to 8 another major problem. I think had they only had one problem to deal with, things would have come out better. They spent all their time having to deal with the other issues that i'm sure the decision for palp was a very short discussion so they could check something off the list. Hell, they still could have used him....Maybe Kylo found the temple - abandoned - and in it the spirit of Palpatine. Maybe do it ala the Exar Kuhn story line or something. Kylo is the big bad, but you still get to use Palpatine without the massive facepalm component.

 

[HMSwolfe]

Don't think the avengers analogy works.

People knew about endgame a couple years (or more) before Infinity War was released. I guess the analogy works if you label it as Infitinity War I and II like the original slide that was shown. But if it was just there was another avengers moving coming, people would still be hyped because the previous avengers flicks weren't really tied together. They were just new stories, not continuations.

As for ST, if you're going to successfully use palp, then, he's gotta be revealed to some extent in TLJ - he wasn't.

I'm going to go off on a tangent here. I just watched Knives Out last night. Written and Directed by RJ. It was really good. It changed my opinion of TLJ. I don't think of him as a hack who had no idea about his source material. I think of him as wanting to insert his own ideas into an existing story and it blew up in his face. When you're working as part of a team (for lack of a better word), you don't get to just up and do whatever the hell you want in your part. You have to stay within scope. He didn't. He went off wildly. And pretty much everyone disagreed with his choices. I think a lot of his choices could have been redeemed in IX, but i think it takes more work than they had time for in one flick. Plus, you have to get someone who liked what he did to continue in that direction to finish it off.

IX had too much to do. Carrie dying was a major problem. Backlash to 8 another major problem. I think had they only had one problem to deal with, things would have come out better. They spent all their time having to deal with the other issues that i'm sure the decision for palp was a very short discussion so they could check something off the list. Hell, they still could have used him....Maybe Kylo found the temple - abandoned - and in it the spirit of Palpatine. Maybe do it ala the Exar Kuhn story line or something. Kylo is the big bad, but you still get to use Palpatine without the massive facepalm component.

Glad to see some people finally loosening up about Rian Johnson. You can dislike TLJ, but the amount of vitriolic hatred for the guy was unwarranted. I can’t even get too mad at JJ Abrams—I hated TROS, but he didn’t try to make intentionally bad. He’s just no good. He was earnest about it, just not any good at his job.

 

[Psab keel]

I don't doubt the sincerity of any of the film makers trying to make the best movie they could (in their eyes) I took more issue with the way they dealt with the fans who questioned their creative choices.

You can make anything you want but the second you lambast your customers for not enjoying your product because of quality control issues I lose just about all respect for you.

Yes I've been very vocal about my hatred for these new movies, but not enjoying a bad movie is nothing compared to being blamed for it's poor reception by fans. The second art is released to the public you open yourself up to criticism whether constructive or not. That's just part of the gamble you take in any creative field. I speak from personal experience so my statements aren't some esoteric argument on the subject either. Either you learn from your mistakes and grow or you don't.

Legally speaking the fans do not own the films or the content of said films but when you consider that it was the fans love for these movies that literally built the franchise then it's clear that there is a certain obligation to try and deliver the best possible product out of respect for their customers. Some fans felt they got their money's worth and truly love these movies. More power to them! Though people like me felt they could have done a far better job and we didn't appreciate being labeled just because we didn't enjoy their crappy movies.

On a positive note it does seem that now the trilogy is over the people in charge have pretty much let it go. That's something I guess.

 

[cboath]

Glad to see some people finally loosening up about Rian Johnson. You can dislike TLJ, but the amount of vitriolic hatred for the guy was unwarranted. I can’t even get too mad at JJ Abrams—I hated TROS, but he didn’t try to make intentionally bad. He’s just no good. He was earnest about it, just not any good at his job.

His problem is that in the view of the vast majority he @#%&ed up royally with what he did to Luke. There's a big difference between not understanding what came before and wanting to go your own direction.

When you're doing just part 2 of 3, you can't really do either - he did both. It means he screw up one (huge) movie, not that he's evil incarnate. I can get he thought he was doing something good and different. It just did not turn out that way.

I would actually be interested in what he could do with his theoretical trilogy if it comes to pass as long as he's not touching established characters or events. I just don't trust him at this point to not ignore the existing framework if he's trying to attach to something that's known. If he's jumping out a few hundred years one way or another, great. During the OT? or Between OT/ST? It'd scare the crap out of me.

 

[el toro]

When RJ was announced as director of TLJ and KK praised his efforts, I was genuinely excited for TLJ. This sounds tacky, but now I see RJ’s effort as analogous to Anakin’s actions at the end of ROTS when he “had the low ground.” RJ aimed high, but his hubris resulted in a disaster, and like Anakin, TLJ went sliding down a hill burning in flames. And we’re like Obi-Wan crying that RJ was supposed to bring balance to the saga and not leave it as a steaming pile of ...

And then JJ decided to double down and tear down more of the OT by recycling the emperor.

and the transition between TLJ and TROS was like watching this baton handoff:

I just hope Disney asks George to return in order to re edit TLJ and cut out about 2 hours and 32 minutes of it. Then George can work some more of the same magic on TROS.

EDIT. I wanted to add that I can understand why some people like the movie as well, and why there is a wide divide between fans who appreciate TLJ and TROS, and those of us who have chosen to ignore the sequels.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Somehow in all of the action of rebuilding a resistance after TLJ, Rose was able to find some place to get implants before TROS, and Finn STILL didn’t give her any attention!

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

NMR... Not cool, dude. Kelly is naturally fairly busty. There was a costuming decision for TLJ -- from whomever -- to not emphasize/de-emphasize that aspect of her. I can get them wanting Rose to be "just a person", not a sex symbol. This is a thing Star Wars (well, George, really) has struggled with over the years. From the bra-less Leia in ANH ("There's no gravity in space, so no underwear.") to the brass and leather bikini in ROTJ to the very convenient nexu-slash that bared Padme's midriff in AOTC, this history of Star Wars has skewed a little much toward pandering to hetero males, and not taking into account all the people who have seen and loved Star Wars since 1977 who aren't.

While I feel the newer films have skewed a little too far toward woke-ness, I can't fault them for Rose's practical tech outfit in TLJ. At the same time, I'm not sure why they put Kelly in something tighter for TROS when she had almost no presence in the film.

...But implants, guy? Really?