Star Wars The Force Awakens Soundtrack

Of course it's not everyone's favorite! The TFA soundtrack is being compared to Star Wars' ground-breaking cinematic score.

While I'll admit it didn't immediately grab me, I've been listening to it non-stop since December 18th and I really love it. No, it's not Star Wars or ESB, but it's great in its own right, IMO.
 
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And I hate all of these comparisons anyway. The first 3 movies were an amazing thing. The music, special effects, design, characters, Vader's helmet, the stormtrooper helmets, all of it. Once in a lifetime stuff. All the planets aligned, so to speak. It will never be duplicated.

So comparing things and trying to make something better just won't happen. The new movie is awesome, as is the music, but nothing will ever compare.
 
And I hate all of these comparisons anyway. The first 3 movies were an amazing thing. The music, special effects, design, characters, Vader's helmet, the stormtrooper helmets, all of it. Once in a lifetime stuff. All the planets aligned, so to speak. It will never be duplicated.

So comparing things and trying to make something better just won't happen. The new movie is awesome, as is the music, but nothing will ever compare.
I disagree. I think that the best thing about the prequels was the score. And it fit in seamlessly with the OT.

My biggest fear when they announced thus shakeup is that they would change genres to "fit with the times"

And no where is that more apparent than in the score

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I picked up the score on cd (with auto rip) and the visual dictionary for about $25 on amazon last night - a hell of a deal.
So far I'm not getting the complaints. It is definitely different, but it sounds like Star Wars to me. Rey's theme and The Jedi Steps are standout pieces imo.
 
It definitely feels like they are waiting to develop themes for the characters, and that makes sense. Only Rey's theme seems to be complete, and it's by far my favorite track, but she's also the one we know the most about.

Kylo and Finn haven't developed yet, so it makes sense their music wouldn't be developed either.
 
They should have gotten the guy that did the recent Battlefront soundtrack. He knows vintage Williams.
 
I thought this soundtrack was one of the best, I'm obviously in the minority with my feelings on that though....
Haystack Hair - I'm not sure I like it the best - yet - but I like it a LOT. When I was a kid, the first time I heard Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue", I didn't get it. I was unimpressed. Today, that album is the best thing that's ever been put to vinyl. Same with the TFA soundtrack - I didn't "get it" at first, but after listening a few times it is spectacular. Rey's theme? C'mon - fantastic. Flowing. Thoughtful. March of the resistance - uplifting in a way nothing since "imperial March" has been. The use of 11/8 time signature throughout (listen to "Follow Me") is challenging, and rewarding once you accept the challenge. The skill level of the musicians is easily the best of any SW soundtrack so far, even from the glory years of the LPO. The only two issues I have are the use of Conn 8D horns instead of the LPO's Paxmans - they really are different - and the high level of bass on the first note of the opening fanfare - it should be all trumpet, lacks the "pop" of the original. Williams is by no means slowing down, and yes he is showing his age, which in a composer is a good thing!.

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I don't know what they mean by being unable to hum any of the tunes... Rey's Theme is delightful and is stuck in my head.
Me too. I've been humming it for days.
 
All the prequel scores were things to get used to because back then they were new to our ears, and same goes for this score.

The very first go round listening I wasn't too blown away. I still don't think the opening theme is nearly as strong as the others, but I really like this score a lot and definitely feels like a new chapter of new things coming in while transitioning out of the old. New characters, new themes and fleshing out of what's going on in their story arc. Rey's theme and the last track are especially great.

I know it's only a handful of notes, but I love the strong tone of Kylo Ren ' s spots. It's all very fitting and you really have to just sit and get used to the songs. They've always been an element that needs some time to let in and really listen to. The first sitting always seems to be the roughest with any of the scores when it's new to you

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So I went to TFA again last night (for the 5th time). There STILL wasn't a moment that the music really blew me away like it did in the previous 6 films. It definitely isn't a terrible score, but it isn't as monumental as the Star Wars scores typically were in the past. While I'm not a huge PT fan, the PT did have some pretty awesome music behind it. TFA just seemed to have music that was there. Specifically, I would have expected "more" out of the Han death scene. Aside from my gripes, there are 2 moments where I noticed the score and thought the music was well done- During the attack on the village when Kylo's ship comes in, and jedi steps.

The music all seemed to work, and it's not a bad score. It just wasn't BIG and iconic like March, Cantina, Duel Of Fates were.

No matter how bad some people may think this score is.... at least it's not Jedi Rocks.
 
Mixing the CD and website sources discussed earlier, I made my own playlist:

Fox Fanfare with Cinemascope Extension
Main Title And The Attack On The Jakku Village (complete)
The Attack on the Jakku Village Part 2
I Can Fly Anything
Rey's Theme
The Scavenger
Lunchtime
Rey Meets BB-8
Finn’s Trek
That Girl With The Staff
Follow Me and The Falcon
The Rathtars!
Snoke
You Got A Name?
Maz's Counsel
Finn's Confession
The Ways of the Force
The Starkiller
Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle
The Resistance
The Abduction
Scherzo For X-Wings
Han And Leia
Finn and Poe, United
March Of The Resistance
The Bombing Run
On The Inside
Torn Apart
The Journey Home
Farewell And The Trip
The Jedi Steps and Finale

A few of the CD tracks are album/concert versions of themes so I kept them even though there's a little repetition with film versions. Thus The Resistance and March of the Resistance both.
"Finn's Confession" is a longer version of "I'm No Hero", the only time tracks from either source were named so differently.
The CD Main Title/Jakku Attack is an edited version of the two Jakku Attack tracks from the website. So I removed everything past the main title crawl and crossfaded it to the first Jakku track, leaving Part 2 alone.

I'm not 100% sure if it's all in movie order.
 
All the prequel scores were things to get used to because back then they were new to our ears, and same goes for this score.

I am most definitely not a lover of the Prequel movies. However, all 3 possessed soundtracks that were immediately moving and memorable, from the very first viewing. They were not an acquired taste, as you suggest. This TFA soundtrack, in contrast, is completely forgettable, even after multiple viewings. I love John Williams, but his brilliance was conspicuously missing from this movie--just one of the film's many egregious FAILs.

The Wook
 
Speaking as a (former) musician, the soundtrack did what it was suppose to do. While there's not many noticeable themes being replayed, most, if not ALL of the melodies present are completely new. "The scavenger" is a perfect example of this. Never heard anything like this in previous soundtracks. Trust me, I wouldn't have ever been a musician if it weren't' for the star wars soundtracks- I could literally point out what scene and dialogue happened based on the music alone once upon a time ago.

Sure, you're going to get your brief Imperial March quips, a few of Leia's theme in there, but take a step back and think about the context of the film. We have new characters, new entities being introduced. The prequels told the stories, for the most part of characters we already knew about- Anakin. I feel it was much more easy for John Williams to pull those same themes from the OT while crafting something new on top of it. To add, most of the Prequels "warranted" a more fanfare-esk type soundtrack. We saw larger battles, more action and much more Jedi.

I still even catch a few quips that were clearly in the prequel soundtracks, more specifically to Episode 3's

Episode 7? Not nearly as much action as we see in the prequels (not in this 1st of the 3 installments). The big fanfare's were present where it was needed- the "march of the Resistance" comes in when it needs to be- The moment the X-wings start to come in for air support at the battle of Maz's castle.

Something a lot of people outside of the music world don't seem to think about or take into consideration is that a musician's intentions is to convey a specific emotion through the composition. This is evident throughout the franchise, i.e., "memorable" themes that those who pay attention refer to. I can think of one particular, new variation of Leia's theme that was used for the last major TFA trailer (during the football game) and I can tell you that trailer w/ that specific theme damn near made me cry.

To sum it up, this soundtrack is geared to lead into the next films-not intended to be a domination of the film that people expected. This was intended to bring in new melodies not yet used for the Star Wars films. Yea, you can argue they're "not as memorable" but there's a lot of people who's expecting John Williams to come up with something "better" than anything we've heard with the OT soundtracks? Those themes are SO ingrained in all of us that it's not entirely reasonable to expect those to ever be topped by anything else as a result of our fandom. The fact is, these are all new. unexplored types of compositions. Williams's definitely went for a more subdued track this time, with the exception of a few tracks, which is almost opposite of all his previous works. I sincerely feel he wasn't trying to rely on the OT themes, only putting them where it was necessary- opening/ending credits, for specific KNOWN characters and for the Force.

That being said, to say this soundtrack is "garbage" is incredibly unwarranted and extremely ignorant. Just because it's "different" than what we're used to, doesn't make it any less valuable.
 
Speaking as a (former) musician, the soundtrack did what it was suppose to do. While there's not many noticeable themes being replayed, most, if not ALL of the melodies present are completely new. "The scavenger" is a perfect example of this. Never heard anything like this in previous soundtracks. Trust me, I wouldn't have ever been a musician if it weren't' for the star wars soundtracks- I could literally point out what scene and dialogue happened based on the music alone once upon a time ago.

Sure, you're going to get your brief Imperial March quips, a few of Leia's theme in there, but take a step back and think about the context of the film. We have new characters, new entities being introduced. The prequels told the stories, for the most part of characters we already knew about- Anakin. I feel it was much more easy for John Williams to pull those same themes from the OT while crafting something new on top of it. To add, most of the Prequels "warranted" a more fanfare-esk type soundtrack. We saw larger battles, more action and much more Jedi.

I still even catch a few quips that were clearly in the prequel soundtracks, more specifically to Episode 3's

Episode 7? Not nearly as much action as we see in the prequels (not in this 1st of the 3 installments). The big fanfare's were present where it was needed- the "march of the Resistance" comes in when it needs to be- The moment the X-wings start to come in for air support at the battle of Maz's castle.

Something a lot of people outside of the music world don't seem to think about or take into consideration is that a musician's intentions is to convey a specific emotion through the composition. This is evident throughout the franchise, i.e., "memorable" themes that those who pay attention refer to. I can think of one particular, new variation of Leia's theme that was used for the last major TFA trailer (during the football game) and I can tell you that trailer w/ that specific theme damn near made me cry.

To sum it up, this soundtrack is geared to lead into the next films-not intended to be a domination of the film that people expected. This was intended to bring in new melodies not yet used for the Star Wars films. Yea, you can argue they're "not as memorable" but there's a lot of people who's expecting John Williams to come up with something "better" than anything we've heard with the OT soundtracks? Those themes are SO ingrained in all of us that it's not entirely reasonable to expect those to ever be topped by anything else as a result of our fandom. The fact is, these are all new. unexplored types of compositions. Williams's definitely went for a more subdued track this time, with the exception of a few tracks, which is almost opposite of all his previous works. I sincerely feel he wasn't trying to rely on the OT themes, only putting them where it was necessary- opening/ending credits, for specific KNOWN characters and for the Force.

That being said, to say this soundtrack is "garbage" is incredibly unwarranted and extremely ignorant. Just because it's "different" than what we're used to, doesn't make it any less valuable.

After all that, I'm stunned you "Liked" my post right above it. lol I basically trashed the TFA soundtrack. What did you like about my post?

The Wook
 
I agreed with the first half of your post regarding the prequel soundtracks

Lol Gotcha.

Well, regarding your post, I just can't buy your defense of the TFA soundtrack, in which you say it necessarily included new melodies for new characters, and therefore should not be compared to the soundtracks in the PT. Because ANH was all new music and that soundtrack was incredible.

You also claim that in your post that there's a lot of people complaining that Williams did not come up with music better than the previous films's soundtracks, but I haven't heard one person say that. Nobody has suggested he should've topped what he's done with SW music in the past. No, all we're saying is that we wish he'd written music for TFA that was up to that standard he'd set. Not beyond that standard, but up to it. Or close to it. He didn't. It stinks compared to his previous work on SW and so many of our other favorite films.

With all due respect, tubachris85x, the tortured and convoluted arguments you and so many others are contriving to defend TFA soundtrack, and TFA movie, is really quite astonishing.

The Wook
 
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Lol Gotcha.

Well, regarding your post, I just can't buy your defense of the TFA soundtrack, in which you say it necessarily included new melodies for new characters, and therefore should not be compared to the soundtracks in the PT. Because ANH was all new music and that soundtrack was incredible.

You also claim that in your post that there's a lot of people complaining that Williams did not come up with music better than the previous films's soundtracks, but I haven't heard one person say that. Nobody has suggested he should've topped what he's done with SW music in the past. No, all we're saying is that we wish he'd written music for TFA that was up to that standard he'd set. Not beyond that standard, but up to it. Or close to it. He didn't. It stinks compared to his previous work on SW and so many of our other favorite films.

With all due respect, tubachris85x, the tortured and convoluted arguments you and so many others are contriving to defend TFA soundtrack, and TFA movie, is really quite astonishing.

The Wook

So you're saying it's not necessary to include new themes for new characters? ANH was "all new" music, yes because it never existed until then. Much of the ANH themes were heavily reused throughout the OT, ESB and ROTJ having a few key tracks that are unique unto themselves, but for the most part just re-used melodies deriving from ANH.

As for people complaining, I have heard that first hand from people, both after the premiere and facebook. They wanted "a new imperial march," as it was referenced. Just out of curiosity, how do you "measure" the music to determine if it meets a particular standard? I feel that part of your response is rather subjective.

I never once said that this soundtrack was his best, but I don't see the need to bash it or hate on it. It's just different from what you guys "expected" of him. "Tortured and convoluted arguments"? Really? I don't want to sound like an ass or anything but if you can't grasp simple concepts of musical understanding outside of just saying something "stinks," and claiming my "argument" as being too complex, then maybe the person who cannot comprehend said "argument" needs to re-evaluate how they interpret music in itself and stop trying to draw comparisons where none are entirely warranted.

What I do find astonishing that people are riding Williams's ass on his work. At the end of the day, if you hate it that much, then stop listening to it. I don't sit here and gripe about every other sh**y musician I have to be constantly be bombarded with when walking around in public because the rest of society finds them "popular". I just don't listen to them and move on with my life. I'll continue to enjoy JW's work as I always have, both as a fan of the films and a musician.
 
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So you're saying it's not necessary to include new themes for new characters? ANH was "all new" music, yes because it never existed until then. Much of the ANH themes were heavily reused throughout the OT, ESB and ROTJ having a few key tracks that are unique unto themselves, but for the most part just re-used melodies deriving from ANH.

As for people complaining, I have heard that first hand from people, both after the premiere and facebook. They wanted "a new imperial march," as it was referenced. Just out of curiosity, how do you "measure" the music to determine if it meets a particular standard? I feel that part of your response is rather subjective.

I never once said that this soundtrack was his best, but I don't see the need to bash it or hate on it. It's just different from what you guys "expected" of him. "Tortured and convoluted arguments"? Really? I don't want to sound like an ass or anything but if you can't grasp simple concepts of musical understanding outside of just saying something "stinks," and claiming my "argument" as being too complex, then maybe the person who cannot comprehend said "argument" needs to re-evaluate how they interpret music in itself and stop trying to draw comparisons where none are entirely warranted.

What I do find astonishing that people are riding Williams's ass on his work. At the end of the day, if you hate it that much, then stop listening to it. I don't sit here and gripe about every other sh**y musician I have to be constantly be bombarded with when walking around in public because the rest of society finds them "popular". I just don't listen to them and move on with my life. I'll continue to enjoy JW's work as I always have, both as a fan of the films and a musician.

I never said TFA shouldn't include new music for new characters.

When I talk of a musical standard previously set by JW, and how TFA didn't measure up, of course that's subjective. But that's no more subjective than you saying anyone who calls it garbage is ignorant.

I did not say your argument was "complex", a word which connotes validity. I said it was tortured and convoluted, words I deliberately chose to connote invalidity.

As for your last paragraph, that is a bad analogy. I don't complain about musicians I've never had any interest in either. But JW is different, because I've loved his work up 'til he laid this egg with TFA.

Look man, you can offer up whatever meretricious arguments you want, but you're not gonna convince people who found JW's TFA soundtrack as uninspired as the movie itself, to believe otherwise.

The Wook
 
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