Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

[Rylo]

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Like maybe a, "What would Yoda do?" bracelet?

I of course agree with everything you've said. :thumbsup

You just need something to remind them every once in a while that the force is a thing. Maybe a wrist band or something that beeps to remind you. The force is a thing! Kick ass now!

 

[Rylo]

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

LOL, we're gonna get through this! Bite down on a stick or something, quick!

-Rylo

It's pure Anger. It is raw, seething anger and hatred. My dog could write a better script and JJ ******* is going to make millions of this piece of crap.

I am so tired of hacks making millions. Yes there is some serious jealousy in there as well.

God the more I think about it the worse it gets. I try to distract myself but I can't.

32 years and that was the result.

 

[Zenwalker]

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I just got back from seeing this with my two sons, 5 and 10. Originally I was not going to take my 5 year old because it later got a pg 13 rating but took the chance anyway.

Well, I could write a 30 page essay on this film but I don't have the time so I will just mention the main things.

Visually the film was very well done. However, I just did not feel a strong connection to the new cast. Daisy Ridley I thought was the best new character. I thought Fiin's character was completely pointless. You could take his character out rework some of the plot points and would not know the difference. On top of that I did not find the connection between him and Rey very believable. That may have been because it was pretty ambiguous. I mean were they romantically involved or are they just friends? It was never very clear. And I didn't buy his sudden change of heart to go abandon the First Order so easily.

Second, I found the film too derivative of the original trilogy. I read somewhere that someone said that it was like all the original trilogies wrapped up into one film. That is what it felt like to me. Some more originality would have breathed some life into this film.

Now, the biggest problem I had with it. THEY KILLED OFF HAN SOLO! I am not sure why they did this?! But if it was because that was the only way Harrison Ford would be in the film then that is a very bad reason. My 10 year old son was so PO'd that Han Solo was killed that he swore he would never watch the film again. I mean, he was visibly angry. So, I think that was a bad move on Disney's part. It may turn off a lot of fans from seeing the film again. My younger son did not see that part because when I saw Kylo Ren pull back his saber from Han's hands I knew what was coming and I covered his eyes. So, at the end of the movie he asked me where Han Solo went for the rest of the film.LOL I have to say killing off Han's character turned me off as well. Well Harrison, I guess you got your wish!

I really would have liked to have seen the old cast as the main focus of this film rather than the new cast. I would have used this film to just introduce the new characters and not make them the focus. But I guess that was just not Disney's intention from the beginning. I really enjoyed watching the older cast and characters much more than the new cast. There was so much more weight to their characters given that we know all of their history already. The shot of Luke at the end was the most emotional part of the film for me. Sadly, I was hoping to feel more of a connection with the new characters which just did not happen for me unfortunately.

The overall pacing of film seemed off to me. It seemed to jump around too much and there were not strong enough pauses between some of the scenes. I especially felt that after Han's death. I was expecting a longer slower scene to show more of the sorrow of the main characters but they hardly touched on that at all.

There were some smaller details that bothered me. Especially the Stormtrooper that whips out that baton weapon to block Fiin's lightsaber, I actually kind of chuckled at that. I mean, what... this Stormtrooper just happened to be carrying this thing around with him just waiting to encounter someone with a weapon that has not been used in 30 years. Hilarious. There were some others details that bothered me but I think Tom touched on quite a few of them already.

Well, overall I just did not find this film engaging enough to really like it. It was overall better than the prequels in execution but less than the prequels in originality. I guess in the end I am just an OT kinda guy. The OT characters are really what makes Star Wars for me. Maybe I will end up liking some of the spin-off films like Rogue One more. As for the Han Solo spin-off film I think I'll just pass on those seeing as I already know his fate.

I give the Force Awakens a 5 out of 10. It's better than the prequels but just barely.

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

I think it was a massive mistake destroying the "Sun Gun" in this film. It would have been much better story wise if the resistance had simply damaged the hell out of it/ disabled it; making it still a looming threat on the horizon but "safe for now" scenario.

EXACTLY my thoughts. The quick attack shouldnt have led to a complete destruction, way too easy. The movie did not need that moment, since its main plot was finding Luke. The threat did not feel as large as any of the DS, and an alliance of planetary systems could have stopped that machine in the next movie.

I think that the stakes could have been set higher.

Regarding prequels.

I think that First Order and Rens mention of continuing his granddads work is a strong reference to what Anakin told Padme on Naboo about how things should work and the conversation between Anakin and Palpatine in the opera.
I can get behind that.

The problem only is that I suspect a lot of the parent child relationship that made Anakin so "special" makes it into the new movies.

Was Han a bad father? Was Leia as a politian a mother who lwft her kid alone?
Why wasnt it possible for Luke to train lil Ben in the yard of his home, did they have to go into hising or something?
I really hope that a lot of the answers to those questions arent as "kitchen psychologically charged" as I fear.

 

[Rylo]

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Han's death was worse then Kirk's in Star Trek.

Damn, he could've gone out guns blazing and it would've been so much better...

They actually took him out Curly Bill style, like in Tombstone. "Hand over your guns...I was just funnin'...bang, you're dead" Sneaky little ****!

Ya know, when he shot the sheriff?? Try and wash that comparison out of your mind!

 

[glunark]

In the real world of propmaking, it looks like Rey's staff was built with prequel saber parts in it, and that is distracting and makes no sense in-universe.

The Falcon's quad lasers have the wrong sound effect. And why didn't he go to the top turret when the bottom one got stuck?

Wrong ignition sound effect for Luke's old saber.

Remember Jedi and Sith alike build their own lightsabers, Rey was seen pulling something from the star destroyer that looked like it belonged on Maul's sabre, if it was some kind of power regulator, or heat sink, it would be exactly the sort of thing someone would build into a lightsaber, and if its heavy, it would be exactly the sort of thing to have on the end of a stick you are going to hit people with.

The quad lasers and lightsaber had probably not been used in 30 years, they probably needed tuning, I also wondered why he didn't go up the ladder to the other gun, but then I remembered how BB8 was getting thrown all over the place by the aerobatics, would you like to climb a ladder while someone is doing barrel rolls?

I was supposed to post my apology for having the hated theory's of Han dying and Luke going to the dark side but as that thread is spoiler free I am doing so here first
HA Han is dead , dead, dead I knew that was the reason Harrison Ford was so happy about promoting the film he knew he was done with it ..

Well done on being the only person on earth who had a feeling Han would die in this film.

 

[Zenwalker]

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Han's death was worse then Kirk's in Star Trek.

Got to agree with you on that one. At least let him go out in a blaze of glory. Maybe like Butch and Sundance.

 

[cavx]

Characters with normal faces are everywhere in SW, I don't think it's a valid criticism to suggest they all need to be injured to wear a helmet.

Maybe, maybe not. It sells easier if the mask/helmet is used to cover battle scars.

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

Maybe, maybe not. It sells easier if the mask/helmet is used to cover battle scars.

IF Kylo Ren would have been a "regular" person. But he is Vaders son AND part of a group called Knights of Ren. He tries to be Vader and he pretends to be Knight. So two reasons for wearing a helmet without being scarred. We do not kno if he wears any other armor or already has cybernetic body parts.

I wonder if the Knights of Ren are all darkside Jedi , maybe even because of Luke?

 

[gizmo]

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Wow you guys need to find a way to enjoy life instead of spending so much anger and hatred on entertainment.


Ben

 

[Zenwalker]

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Wow you guys need to find a way to enjoy life instead of spending so much anger and hatred on entertainment.


Ben

We are just giving our opinions of the film in the same way as those who liked it.

 

[gizmo]

I saw it last night with a few adults and many kids. Everyone loved it. Did it have flaws?Yes. Did it ruin it for me?No.

All ive got to say is thank you JJ for taking me back. It's been too long since.


Ben

 

[DARTH SABER]

Did anyone notice something odd about the opening credit crawl theme?
I dont know ifnit was my imagination but it sounded weak and digitized. Almost as though half as many musicians were used.
The first time i saw the film I thought it might just be me, but i saw the film again tonight and im fairly certain something was off.

 

[cavx]

IF Kylo Ren would have been a "regular" person. But he is Vaders son AND part of a group called Knights of Ren. He tries to be Vader and he pretends to be Knight. So two reasons for wearing a helmet without being scarred. We do not kno if he wears any other armor or already has cybernetic body parts.

I wonder if the Knights of Ren are all darkside Jedi , maybe even because of Luke?

Vader's son??? Don't you mean grand son?

If he didn't have battle damage before, he certainly has some now.

I guess we have to find about all the other points in the next film.

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Did anyone notice something odd about the opening credit crawl theme?
I dont know ifnit was my imagination but it sounded weak and digitized. Almost as though half as many musicians were used.
The first time i saw the film I thought it might just be me, but i saw the film again tonight and im fairly certain something was off.

The letters were really bold and score was a little weak. I though it was just the sound system in the cinema I was in, until the first few explosions.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Did anyone notice something odd about the opening credit crawl theme?
I dont know ifnit was my imagination but it sounded weak and digitized. Almost as though half as many musicians were used.
The first time i saw the film I thought it might just be me, but i saw the film again tonight and im fairly certain something was off.

I agree. The main title sounds "video-game-like" even on the soundtrack when listened to separately.

 

[DARTH SABER]

Vader's son??? Don't you mean grand son?

If he didn't have battle damage before, he certainly has some now.

I guess we have to find about all the other points in the next film.

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The letters were really bold and score was a little weak. I though it was just the sound system in the cinema I was in, until the first few explosions.

Whoah, i just did some digging and found out that the opening theme was not performed by London Symphony Orchestra but rather by an LA based orchestra made up of freelance musicians and a portion ifnthe horn section was done digitally. No wonder it sounded off.

 

[DARTH SABER]

Also, the themes that were heard in the trailers (which were pretty good) were nowhere to be found in the film. Specifically the one theme that starts with single piano notes and slowly switches to a new arrangement of Han and Leias theme.m and then a hew arangement of the Force theme

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Heres the theme im talking about - http://youtu.be/EeKuOBKSmt8

 

[Darth Lars]

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Starkiller base: I get the impression that it was always supposed to be disposable. Built to destroy Hosnian Prime, a few other planets and then abandoned.
One thing I found ridiculous with it (not that there weren't several ridiculous things about it) were that when it fired, there were several sub-beams, each homing on to a different planet. Note to fan-editors: Less is more, if you are going to make it fire at all.

Luke's map: If the writers of the next script are any good, Luke will have felt Rey through the Force for some time.
When Luke and Rey met, I think it would have made more sense if he had said "I have been expecting you" and smiled, or something in that line instead of giving her the weird pained stare ...

Han's death: I wasn't surprised that he died in this movie. There had been a lot of speculation about Han dying in this movie and talk about Harrison Ford having requested that his character be killed off in previous movies.
When he started walking out on the walkway I was thinking, "Yep, this is the part where Han is going to die", and grabbed the popcorn.

On the Falcon, again the only good thing in the movie was lots of the Falcon but yeah the constant crashing was ridiculous.

Note to fan-editors: Add a shimmer around the Falcon to make it look like a shield. Bouncing off a shield is believable, bouncing off a hull is not.

 

[Darth Lars]

I'm very happy for the Builder's Guild guys, but a new Artoo was not needed for 30 seconds of screentime. LFL has plenty of leftovers.

They built special features for R2 that were not used. I assume that those are actually for the next movie: Rogue One.

 

[AJTaliesen]

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Luke's map:

You actually reminded me about the map. Not just here, but pretty much every movie thats had a map in (I'm looking at you, every Pirate movie ever made!): It's got the red line tracing the route...and it's useless without the surrounding sectors...even though it's like what 1/8th of the galaxy?

The route is pointless. Here's the end spot. You don't need the route or the "turn left at the elephant cliffs" nonsense because the map TOTALLY shows where the destination is.

Also..the rest of the map is pointless. Does NO ONE have a map of the galaxy they are all in? When they put it all together it's a HUGE chunk of the galaxy. You can't maybe...put it on top of that and move it around a bit till it fits?

AND...where did the map come from? Did Luke seriously make a map of the Galaxy, mark where he was going, then chop it up into pieces and give the pieces to different people NOT his close friends...so that his friends would, after years of trying, be able to put the map together? That's actually somehow even more of a dick move than most of what Vader did.