Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)
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annanake
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It is obviously a flop I mean you could win damn near the gross take pre China sales of the film just by winning the powerball !
They probably won't even bother to finish the trilogy at this point .
The reason Titanic, and then Avatar, ended up with their colossal hauls of 2.2B and 2.8B, respectively, is because they had very small percentage drop-offs from week to week to week to week to week, et cetera, for a long time. TFA performed great out of the gate, but it is slowing down so precipitously, that it will not follow the highly unusual trajectory of the two aforementioned Cameron films, but instead will follow the trajectory of traditional modern blockbusters, that have huge opening weekends, even huge first fortnights, but then they fizzle out at the box office.
TFA has another problem, besides fitting into this more common blockbuster box office trajectory, and that is the critics are turning on the film, and the bad word of mouth amongst moviegoers is catching up to the film. Every review, article, blog post, or other blurb about the film on social media is ripping TFA now for ripping off A New Hope, and ripping it off poorly, at that. People who haven't seen it are now happy to wait for the DVD (or not see it at all), and those who have seen it aren't seeing it over and over and over again, the way they did Titanic and Avatar.
TFA will not be the biggest movie worldwide of all time. It just won't have the legs to get there.
The Wook
JD
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I don't think so. While TFA fell into a few of JJ's traps - it managed to succeed with them. JJ also seemed to hold the source material into a much higher regard and had a better support team (including OT writer Kasdan) to make sure the spirit of Star Wars carried through.
JJ's Trek - while enjoyable - was (arguably*) not very Star Trek-like. Outside of the obvious reboot and huge bits of retcon (disguised as new timeline), I don't think it's hard to see his Trek as much more direct, much more an action movie and with little of the thinking Star Trek that was a huge part of the previous incarnations.
I do think TFA does play it a little too safe at times and ultimately, after the hype and thrill wears off, it might be looked at a little differently.
*I say arguably... but, I'm not sure if anyone would say JJ's Trek was "very Trek-like."
On a side note: think back to Yoda's warnings to Luke in TESB. How profound are these NOW, after TFA?
Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.
If you end your training now — if you choose the quick and easy path as Vader did — you will become an agent of evil.
Decide you must, how to serve them best. If you leave now, help them you could; but you would destroy all for which they have fought, and suffered.
Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.
If you end your training now — if you choose the quick and easy path as Vader did — you will become an agent of evil.
Decide you must, how to serve them best. If you leave now, help them you could; but you would destroy all for which they have fought, and suffered.
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niennumb1
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Yeah boy isn't that the truth. This film is surely doomed.
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Jedi-72
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So, unless it becomes THE biggest earner in all history, worldwide, it's a problem? Lol Come on. You can not like the movie. That's cool. But, third highest IN THE WORLD in three weeks is not a problem. That's just kooky talk. It's the biggest movie of all time in the U. S.and top 3 globally in under a month. In baseball, that's a grand slam. It's not a perfect movie, but it is a resounding commercial and box office success. In whst bizzaro world is that a problem? Doesn't have legs.... It doesn't need them! Lol
Funny, amongst common movie goers I don't think I've heard ANY bad press.
Most of my co-workers used to roll their eyes if I ever talked about Star Wars, now as the resident geek I have people coming up to me all the time wanting to talk about it. Almost all want to see it again.
Also, my social media feed and most reviews I've read have beed positive with a few very vocal exceptions.
Sounds to me like some people just desperately WANT the idea of bad press hurting it to be true. Using a mediocre Chinese launch, that was predicted, as evidence is really scraping the barrel.
Box office retention has been good. No, it likely won't beat Avatar worldwide but to call that a failure is just silly.
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Most of my co-workers used to roll their eyes if I ever talked about Star Wars, now as the resident geek I have people coming up to me all the time wanting to talk about it. Almost all want to see it again.
Also, my social media feed and most reviews I've read have beed positive with a few very vocal exceptions.
Sounds to me like some people just desperately WANT the idea of bad press hurting it to be true. Using a mediocre Chinese launch, that was predicted, as evidence is really scraping the barrel.
Box office retention has been good. No, it likely won't beat Avatar worldwide but to call that a failure is just silly.
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JJ Abrams admits he ripped off A New Hope.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/j-j-abrams-responds-complaints-force-awakens-complete-163214721.html
What a talentless hack. What a wasted opportunity.
The Wook
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/j-j-abrams-responds-complaints-force-awakens-complete-163214721.html
What a talentless hack. What a wasted opportunity.
The Wook
I can think of someone else that's a hack...
You just WANT everyone to hate it don't you. Well it ain't working. It's the highest grossing movie in the states and it hasn't even finished its run. Critics aren't turning on it. All there is out there is stupid click bait publicity attention seekings idiot wannabe reviewers that don't know how to have fun since they've grown in to cynical old adults. Lol. Dude your a minority and that must hurt.
China is a very different animal. Most in China only saw Star Wars a couple of years ago. Here this will help you.
http://www.retrolia.com/link.php?ur...hinas-moviegoers-are-learning-from-star-wars/
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Ohh dear
Ad hominem attacks are not allowed on the RPF. Even passive-aggressive ones, in which you don't have the guts to call me by name.
The Wook
JD
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I read that article and missed the quote where JJ admits he ripped off A New Hope. I'm pretty critical of this movie and I think it's obvious he used a lot of ANH in the movie (a little too much of the OT altogether, I'd say) - I can't says it's a complete rip-off of ANH at all. There certainly are many parallels and at times we get practically identical elements used in different ways - but, that's how mythology works...
For the most part, JJ was able to craft thing's in new ways that worked. That said, certain thing's didn't work nearly as well for me - I didn't need a third Death Star even if it was as big as planet and could do hyperspace. I didn't really need a Yoda mk II (Maz Kanata) in the Cantina/Jabba's Palace. I didn't need the Empire under a new name (which I would've been a little more forgiving of had they not been quite as big and powerful). But, in the end - the character arcs of Rey and Kylo Ren made the story for me... (and lightsabers!!) - with all due regard to the other characters that usually worked pretty well (Han was a little too much the not-so-serious ROTJ Han than the ANH or ESB scoundrel).
Naturally, he's not gonna say the words, "I ripped off A New Hope". Kathleen would have his hide. But if you read his quote, he says, for all intents and purposes, that's exactly what he did--and that he did it deliberately.
JD, you say he "crafted things in new ways that worked". I can't think of anything of significance you might be referring to.
The Wook
JD, you say he "crafted things in new ways that worked". I can't think of anything of significance you might be referring to.
The Wook
Wook, have you read the article?
What I am asking myself is at what point into the movie did those people who complain about the similarities to ANH started to predict the outcoming of the movie?
Aren't e.g. James Bond movies always following the same structure to the point of being carbon copies of each other and aelf referencing?
I think those who did not like the movie and because of it lost their sw love should wait for Ep8 for a final verdict.
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