Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

Things all released before the Disney acquisition by the same guy who created and will defend the prequels to his death. And during that time, there was plenty of OT and beyond material being released beside them (EU that is, but it still counts). And I drank it all up.

Ok, but Disney could have retconned the Clone Wars cartoon and didn't. It's still canon. Where's the problem?

Never said or implied that it was. "Distance from" and "crap on" are 2 completely different things.

Ok, so...what's the problem then? I mean, TFA is distant merely by virtue of its setting. An entire galactic civil war has happened, followed by the creation of a new government and (apparently) attempted reestablishment of the Jedi, followed by another large-scale conflict. There's your distance.

I don't believe there are. I daresay most if not all who liked the prequels also loved the OT, including myself.

I suppose the better description is "People who like the PT, and people who only like the OT." I didn't mean to imply you didn't like the OT.

Explained properly, it could make perfect sense. Besides, I've heard the TFA novelization says Snoke was born hundreds of years before then. (I will admit I haven't read it yet for myself, so that info could be wrong for all I know)

I mean, yeah, I suppose you could toss around some exposition to get the job done somehow. It just seems like a long walk for a short glass of water, ya know?

Except that that show has a direct connection to the OT, so I would argue that referencing one, references the other.

Yes, and it also directly references the PT. Asokha is on it. Rex is on it. It's not trying to distance itself from the PT or the Clone Wars cartoon (which isn't surprising, given the Filioni connection).


I guess I'm just...not really understanding what it is you want or what the problem is, exactly?

Did you want more references to the PT in the new movie? Why? I mean, aside from just saying "We love you, too, PT fans," what would it accomplish story-wise? I could've used more exposition on the state of galactic affairs, but at the same time, it's not super relevant to the immediate story.


Are you saying that you feel like the PT is being abandoned somehow? Because, I don't really see it. Chronologically speaking, the story has simply moved on. All the characters from the PT are dead by the timeframe of TFA. The technology has developed and evolved, too. The events of the PT have been resolved in the OT itself. TFA is a new story (with old story beats) featuring some of the old characters, but mostly new characters.

I don't see this as an abandonment or a distancing from the PT except insofar as there were explicit discussions of using real sets rather than digital ones, and trying to keep F/X as practical as possible. Actually, I'd say that TFA shares some tonal aspects with ROTS, so there's a PT connection there of sorts.

I dunno. Like I say, I just...don't get exactly where the problem is or what you want other than fan service. To be clear, I'm not fond of fan service derived from the OT, either, when it doesn't organically arise out of the story. Like, making Finn Lando's kid...that'd be really, really stupid and unnecessary. Or making Poe, like, Wedge's cousin just because he's an X-wing pilot or something. Or, for that matter, making Snoke a cloned body of the Emperor or whathaveyou would, to my way of thinking, be just as bad as making him Darth Plagueis.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with Snoke being Plagueis. doesn't matter how long ago it was, these SW alien chaps seem to live for centuries anyway. As much as I disliked the PT, I wouldn't mind a few obscure things from it turning up.
 
Hey,....I just watched the film again,.....this time, after the recommendation of Adam Savage & the Tested team,......in 3D

I don't normally like 3D films but the effect was brilliant,.....The scenes inside & involving the Falcon (obviously) were breathtaking,.....it really was like seeing it again for the first time,.....sometimes 3D just muddles things, makes it harder to process whats going on,....well for me anyway,.....with TFA,....the opposite,....it brought out more to make you see

....so....if you've only seen it in 2D, go see it in 3D

.....still a good turn out in the screening too

J
 
I just can't stand 3D. I guess it's cool for a dumb old horror flick but for most things it looks like a pop-up book. I saw it first in 2D but it turned out to be a tiny crap theater. I'm going again to a Regal RPX theater, longer drive but it's a huge screen with Dolby Atmos sound. It's either that or Imax at the Air and Space museum in DC but that's too much hassle.
 
I'm not a fan of 3D, but I will admit it was well done in TFA. The interior of the Star Destroyer wreck was the highlight to me, seeing down the corridor in the background.

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The reason I want Snoke to be Plagueis is because they went out of their way to distance themselves from the prequels with TFA that it almost leaves those of us who liked them (or me, at least) with a sense of "you don't matter because those who didn't like/hated them are so much louder and more numerous." It would be nice for them to acknowledge that we're out here in a major way, and I don't think its too much to ask for. And since Plagueis was such an almost thrown-away mention in RotS, it would go a long way to bridge the gap, so to speak, without being overt about it. Those of us who care about the PT will instantly recognize and appreciate the reference and those who didn't or don't remember will be none the wiser.
Ahem. C-3PO and R2-D2 were in all three of the Prequel Trilogy movies, and the Millennium Falcon was seen in Attack of the Clones. :D
 
There's been a lot of banter online social media and other forums about the comparison of Darth Vader vs. "B**chy whiny Kylo Ren." It is bugging the crap out of me because people seem to be forgetting where the great Lord Vader was in his mindset around Kylo's time of training and transition. You cannot compare Kylo Ren now to the fully transformed Darth Vader we saw in the 77-83 films. Comparing their similar age ranges, Kylo seems to have a less "whiny" demeanor than Anakin was. I say by the time/if his transformation is complete, Kylo Ren will be a very powerful and cold, just like his Grandfather. I think we'll have a better comparison to make AFTER said transition takes place. To compare now is just not a fair judgment.

Kylo Ren definitely has a shorter fuse and hostile behavior, but whiny I don't think is quite the word. Maybe it's because I have a 4 year-old and know what whiny sounds like to my ears right now, hahahha!

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There's been a lot of banter online social media and other forums about the comparison of Darth Vader vs. "B**chy whiny Kylo Ren." It is bugging the crap out of me because people seem to be forgetting where the great Lord Vader was in his mindset around Kylo's time of training and transition. You cannot compare Kylo Ren now to the fully transformed Darth Vader we saw in the 77-83 films. Comparing their similar age ranges, Kylo seems to have a less "whiny" demeanor than Anakin was. I say by the time/if his transformation is complete, Kylo Ren will be a very powerful and cold, just like his Grandfather. I think we'll have a better comparison to make AFTER said transition takes place. To compare now is just not a fair judgment.

Kylo Ren definitely has a shorter fuse and hostile behavior, but whiny I don't think is quite the word. Maybe it's because I have a 4 year-old and know what whiny sounds like to my ears right now, hahahha!

Kylo Ren is said to be 29-30 in TFA.
Darth Vader would have been early 40s in ANH.
 
There's been a lot of banter online social media and other forums about the comparison of Darth Vader vs. "B**chy whiny Kylo Ren." It is bugging the crap out of me because people seem to be forgetting where the great Lord Vader was in his mindset around Kylo's time of training and transition. You cannot compare Kylo Ren now to the fully transformed Darth Vader we saw in the 77-83 films. Comparing their similar age ranges, Kylo seems to have a less "whiny" demeanor than Anakin was. I say by the time/if his transformation is complete, Kylo Ren will be a very powerful and cold, just like his Grandfather. I think we'll have a better comparison to make AFTER said transition takes place. To compare now is just not a fair judgment.

Kylo Ren definitely has a shorter fuse and hostile behavior, but whiny I don't think is quite the word. Maybe it's because I have a 4 year-old and know what whiny sounds like to my ears right now, hahahha!

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If Vader is like Hitler.
Kylo Ren is like a hardcore skinhead.
 
And Avatar falls to TFA, and we're still in BC ("Before China".)

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/box-office-star-wars-force-awakens-tops-164123704.html

The beating of avatar was for the US only, so china is irrelevant for the point of the article.

If it lasts the same 7 months as avatar, it'll crush the world wide mark. With a BR slated for april, it won't hit 7 months. It clearly has the best chance that anything has ever had, but i'll believe that'll happen when it happens :) They're stilll only expecting 200-300M out of china last i heard, not a billion.
 
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