STAR WARS Rebels new animated series!

[CT1138]

-The duel was anticlimactic. I don't mind a short duel, but give us something that could be worthy of being called a duel.
-Ezras presence was essentially useless (as usual), the entire focus should have been on Maul and Kenobi, but instead this episode wastes precious time on Ezra fumbling around in an A-Wing. Somebody care to explain to my why the crew thought it would be a good idea for the series to be formatted this way, again?
-Ezra knows Kenobi is on Tatooine, how? And how does he know where it is? This is a huge plothole. Speaking of holes, when did the rebels speak with Bail Organa about Kenobi? I feel like we missed an entire episode somewhere. This further adds to my question of why the crew insist on dinky little 22 minute episodes. This story needed a heck of a lot more than 20 minutes to be told. Show, Filoni, don't tell.
-Why was Kenobi not surprised to see Ezra? Does he make a habit of finding trained Jedi apprentices out in the desert? Does he not wonder nor care that Jedi survived, and that they're leading rebellions against the Empire? Also, does he keep his ear to the ground out there in the middle of nowhere? He seemed unphased by all of it, even the part about a major declared Rebel Alliance.
-Would it have killed them to have actually given us a close up on young Luke? I wish Disney weren't such tightwads with the budget.
-I will say that the animation and voice work with Obi-Wan were extremely well done.

 

[Halliwax]

I doubt we will see anymore Kenobi, unless of course Ezra tells Rex that Bail was punking him about Kenobi dying.

Next episodes description hints at someone helping them. I don't know if it's deception but curious if it is ol' Ben



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[jcoffman99]

It was the "real" Beru. It,was an alternate ANH take.

 

[KrangPrime]

-The duel was anticlimactic. I don't mind a short duel, but give us something that could be worthy of being called a duel.
-Ezras presence was essentially useless (as usual), the entire focus should have been on Maul and Kenobi, but instead this episode wastes precious time on Ezra fumbling around in an A-Wing. Somebody care to explain to my why the crew thought it would be a good idea for the series to be formatted this way, again?
-Ezra knows Kenobi is on Tatooine, how? And how does he know where it is? This is a huge plothole. Speaking of holes, when did the rebels speak with Bail Organa about Kenobi? I feel like we missed an entire episode somewhere. This further adds to my question of why the crew insist on dinky little 22 minute episodes. This story needed a heck of a lot more than 20 minutes to be told. Show, Filoni, don't tell.
-Why was Kenobi not surprised to see Ezra? Does he make a habit of finding trained Jedi apprentices out in the desert? Does he not wonder nor care that Jedi survived, and that they're leading rebellions against the Empire? Also, does he keep his ear to the ground out there in the middle of nowhere? He seemed unphased by all of it, even the part about a major declared Rebel Alliance.
-Would it have killed them to have actually given us a close up on young Luke? I wish Disney weren't such tightwads with the budget.
-I will say that the animation and voice work with Obi-Wan were extremely well done.

i would assume he could be in constant contact with yoda about ezra.

but yeah, it did feel like lots of stuff was missing just to plunge the episode along.

 

[Collectorchris]

I thought it was a great episode! I believe it gave us insight into several points, however I do agree there are some plot holes, but we have to be willing to overlook those and fill in the gaps with imagination.

1. Maul pulled Ezra to Tatooine, which he saw in the vision of the holocron.
2. The saber fight shows Obi Wan has refined his fighting style to be more precise, granted Maul was weak from the search. At first I hated the fight was short, but after 2nd/3rd viewing, I think it sets up the Vader/Kenobi duel better.
3. (Your protecting or is it someone?) Then later, (Is he the chosen one?) (Yes, he is.) This brings up an age old question, is it Anakin or Luke?
4. I loved seeing Kenobi watching Luke at the end and the nostalgia of, aunt Beru, the homestead, and the twin suns.
5. I am guessing based on seeing young Luke running home this was set 5 years or so before ANh

 

[astroboy]

In many ways, that was the only way that duel could have played out. Which was, in retrospect, quite satisfying Mauls final moment was absolutely perfect.

Both maul and Kenobi were instrumental in Palatine's plan. They were both pawns.

And because of that, they see eye to eye.


All of the Ezra/ghost crew was typically clumsy.

The only think that made me sad is that I really wanted to hear the clone wars voice from Kenobi. I know it made sense for it to be the Guinness voice, but so much of maul is tied to the prequel Kenobi. I just missed the young kenobi


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[Halliwax]

-The duel was anticlimactic. I don't mind a short duel, but give us something that could be worthy of being called a duel.
-Ezras presence was essentially useless (as usual), the entire focus should have been on Maul and Kenobi, but instead this episode wastes precious time on Ezra fumbling around in an A-Wing. Somebody care to explain to my why the crew thought it would be a good idea for the series to be formatted this way, again?
-Ezra knows Kenobi is on Tatooine, how? And how does he know where it is? This is a huge plothole. Speaking of holes, when did the rebels speak with Bail Organa about Kenobi? I feel like we missed an entire episode somewhere. This further adds to my question of why the crew insist on dinky little 22 minute episodes. This story needed a heck of a lot more than 20 minutes to be told. Show, Filoni, don't tell.
-Why was Kenobi not surprised to see Ezra? Does he make a habit of finding trained Jedi apprentices out in the desert? Does he not wonder nor care that Jedi survived, and that they're leading rebellions against the Empire? Also, does he keep his ear to the ground out there in the middle of nowhere? He seemed unphased by all of it, even the part about a major declared Rebel Alliance.
-Would it have killed them to have actually given us a close up on young Luke? I wish Disney weren't such tightwads with the budget.
-I will say that the animation and voice work with Obi-Wan were extremely well done.

agree with ya on that buddy

 

[Halliwax]

I thought it was a great episode! I believe it gave us insight into several points, however I do agree there are some plot holes, but we have to be willing to overlook those and fill in the gaps with imagination.

1. Maul pulled Ezra to Tatooine, which he saw in the vision of the holocron.
2. The saber fight shows Obi Wan has refined his fighting style to be more precise, granted Maul was weak from the search. At first I hated the fight was short, but after 2nd/3rd viewing, I think it sets up the Vader/Kenobi duel better.
3. (Your protecting or is it someone?) Then later, (Is he the chosen one?) (Yes, he is.) This brings up an age old question, is it Anakin or Luke?
4. I loved seeing Kenobi watching Luke at the end and the nostalgia of, aunt Beru, the homestead, and the twin suns.
5. I am guessing based on seeing young Luke running home this was set 5 years or so before ANh

you know this threw me for a loop too, i thought we were 2 years away from Rogue One? even though luke was possibly 1/2 mile away, he looked very young. i could have gotten the wrong impression, but it sure looked like it

i have to be wrong about the time line... i thought for sure rebels season 1 started 5 years before R1/ANH. and now i thought we have heard ever season a year has passed, that would bring us 2 years away from R1/ANH. another loop was i thought Ezra and Luke were the exact age?

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I thought it was a great episode! I believe it gave us insight into several points, however I do agree there are some plot holes, but we have to be willing to overlook those and fill in the gaps with imagination.

1. Maul pulled Ezra to Tatooine, which he saw in the vision of the holocron.
2. The saber fight shows Obi Wan has refined his fighting style to be more precise, granted Maul was weak from the search. At first I hated the fight was short, but after 2nd/3rd viewing, I think it sets up the Vader/Kenobi duel better.
3. (Your protecting or is it someone?) Then later, (Is he the chosen one?) (Yes, he is.) This brings up an age old question, is it Anakin or Luke?
4. I loved seeing Kenobi watching Luke at the end and the nostalgia of, aunt Beru, the homestead, and the twin suns.
5. I am guessing based on seeing young Luke running home this was set 5 years or so before ANh

you know this threw me for a loop too, i thought we were 2 years away from Rogue One? even though luke was possibly 1/2 mile away, he looked very young. i could have gotten the wrong impression, but it sure looked like it

i have to be wrong about the time line... i thought for sure rebels season 1 started 5 years before R1/ANH. and now i thought we have heard ever season a year has passed, that would bring us 2 years away from R1/ANH. another loop was i thought Ezra and Luke were the exact age?

The show takes place 14 years after Revenge of the Sith and 5 years before A New Hope.

Ezra was born on the same days as the birth of the Empire (Empire Day).
Luke and Leia were born very shortly after as both those events took place in Revenge of the Sith.

The S1 E8 is the 15th anniversary of Empire Day so we quickly moved from 14 to 15 years after Revenge of the Sith.

I think the idea is that each season is roughly a year's worth of events, at least so far.

And... There is no way in hell to determine Luke's age based on the scene in Twin Suns. Are you eff'in kidding me?


The "chosen one" remark is an interesting discussion point.

What Obi Wan (as it was with the Jedi Order) believes and what is true in the force are not always the same thing. I think that once Anakin turned to the dark side, Obi and Yoda assumed they were incorrect about him being the chosen one and later put their hopes into Luke. Yoda had remarked in Revenge of the Sith that there was a possibility in the interpretation of the prophecy could exist. However they assumed it was in" who would restore balance" and not in "how balance was restored".

The problem with the Jedi Order was that over time, they became too political and lost their way in protecting and keeping the balance of the force. What I have come to understand is that it is not about good and evil it is about balance and unbalance. While it is easy to understand that the Sith use the force to take power causing imbalance, it is hard to understand that the Jedi Order was doing the same thing except that they were doing under the mantle of good.

The Force is like nature (the force of nature). It has it's way of maintaining order such as how forest fires are a natural and necessary part of the ecosystem. Even healthy forests contain dead trees and decaying plant matter; when a fire turns them to ashes, nutrients return to the soil instead of remaining captive in old vegetation. Unfortunately for the Jedi Order, to restore balance, they needed a forest fire... and that was Vader.

The end of the current Jedi Order was only one part of restoring balance as the Sith still need to be dealt with. Although it was not Luke who killed the Emperor, it was him and his unwavering belief that Anakin was not lost.

I believe...

That Yoda and Obi Wan continued to believe that Anakin was not the chosen one. However through mediation the force revealed to them that Luke confronting Vader would restore balance. They assumed it would be Luke confronting and killing Vader that would restore order. This is why it was important for Luke to go. However what they did not know was that Luke was simply the catalyst that would turn Vader away from the Dark side and enable him to complete his task as the Chosen One.

So is the Jedi Order a bad thing? No. As long as the Jedi is committed to balance rather than using their powers for what they think is right, they can continue to be the guardians of peace and justice.

 

[Halliwax]

The show takes place 14 years after Revenge of the Sith and 5 years before A New Hope.

Ezra was born on the same days as the birth of the Empire (Empire Day).
Luke and Leia were born very shortly after as both those events took place in Revenge of the Sith.

The S1 E8 is the 15th anniversary of Empire Day so we quickly moved from 14 to 15 years after Revenge of the Sith.

I think the idea is that each season is roughly a year's worth of events, at least so far.

And... There is no way in hell to determine Luke's age based on the scene in Twin Suns. Are you eff'in kidding me?


The "chosen one" remark is an interesting discussion point.

What Obi Wan (as it was with the Jedi Order) believes and what is true in the force are not always the same thing. I think that once Anakin turned to the dark side, Obi and Yoda assumed they were incorrect about him being the chosen one and later put their hopes into Luke. Yoda had remarked in Revenge of the Sith that there was a possibility in the interpretation of the prophecy could exist. However they assumed it was in" who would restore balance" and not in "how balance was restored".

The problem with the Jedi Order was that over time, they became too political and lost their way in protecting and keeping the balance of the force. What I have come to understand is that it is not about good and evil it is about balance and unbalance. While it is easy to understand that the Sith use the force to take power causing imbalance, it is hard to understand that the Jedi Order was doing the same thing except that they were doing under the mantle of good.

The Force is like nature (the force of nature). It has it's way of maintaining order such as how forest fires are a natural and necessary part of the ecosystem. Even healthy forests contain dead trees and decaying plant matter; when a fire turns them to ashes, nutrients return to the soil instead of remaining captive in old vegetation. Unfortunately for the Jedi Order, to restore balance, they needed a forest fire... and that was Vader.

The end of the current Jedi Order was only one part of restoring balance as the Sith still need to be dealt with. Although it was not Luke who killed the Emperor, it was him an his unwavering belief that Anakin was not lost.

I believe...

That Yoda and Obi Wan believed continued to believe that Anakin was not the chosen one. However through mediation the force revealed to them that Luke confronting Vader would restore balance. They assumed it would be Luke confronting and killing Vader that would restore order. This is why it was important for Luke to go. However what they did not know was that Luke was simply the catalyst that would turn Vader away from the Dark side and enable him to complete his task as the Chosen One.

dude in all seriousness, that is the BEST explanation i have ever heard!! wicked! :thumbsup

 

[KrangPrime]

you know this threw me for a loop too, i thought we were 2 years away from Rogue One? even though luke was possibly 1/2 mile away, he looked very young. i could have gotten the wrong impression, but it sure looked like it

all i saw was a stick figure running. you can't tell anything from that

 

[glunark]

Makes me wonder if Obi Wan could have killed Vader, but didn't because he knew Luke would have to.

 

[astroboy]

If I had directed the episode........

Ezra wouldn't have been in it. Just Obiwan and Maul.

There wouldn't have been any dialogue, save for the final fight. Like a spaghetti western. The entire episode would have been a cat and mouse journey where Maul is tracking kenobi out into the desert. Kenobi had been leading him out there, to tire him out.

Then the final fight would have played out exactly like it did.

Personally the scene at the end was a bit too much fan service. I would love to have seen this end with kenobi going back to his hut where he gets on he radio and has a small chat with Bail Organa. Like they's been chatting for years as old friends.

"How is the girl?"
"Good. She has fire in her. Like her mother. There will be balance"

 

[KrangPrime]

If I had directed the episode........

Ezra wouldn't have been in it. Just Obiwan and Maul.

There wouldn't have been any dialogue, save for the final fight. Like a spaghetti western. The entire episode would have been a cat and mouse journey where Maul is tracking kenobi out into the desert. Kenobi had been leading him out there, to tire him out.

Then the final fight would have played out exactly like it did.

Personally the scene at the end was a bit too much fan service. I would love to have seen this end with kenobi going back to his hut where he gets on he radio and has a small chat with Bail Organa. Like they's been chatting for years as old friends.

"How is the girl?"
"Good. She has fire in her. Like her mother. There will be balance"

the last bit would have been fan service too

if you go that route, i'd rather see him communicating with yoda planning out the future and their latest course of action

 

[karmajay]

-Ezra knows Kenobi is on Tatooine, how? And how does he know where it is? This is a huge plothole.

Ezra got a flash of this when him and Maul were doing the sith holocron episode. He knows Maul is heading to Tatooine. This episode, he sees the Kenobi holocron and the Sith holocron interacting. Whether using his head or the force he infers there is an interaction between Maul and Kenobi. Not really a plothole.

Why was Kenobi not surprised to see Ezra? Does he make a habit of finding trained Jedi apprentices out in the desert? Does he not wonder nor care that Jedi survived, and that they're leading rebellions against the Empire? Also, does he keep his ear to the ground out there in the middle of nowhere? He seemed unphased by all of it, even the part about a major declared Rebel Alliance.

I agree, I think he knows about Ezra cause he is dialed in to the dead Jedi club. As far as the Rebellion, he has a job to do (protect Luke) and is NOW wise enough to not get distracted.

Also, IMO, Kenobi NEVER planned on fighting Maul. I think he was just not going to interact with him but since he had to help Ezra his location was pinned down. I think Kenobi is just so in tune he just beat Maul the samurai way.

This also gives us some head canon for the Vader/Kenobi fight and why it was so much slower then PT fights.

 

[CT1138]

Ezra knows Maul is looking for a desert planet with Twin Suns. Maul knows precisely which planet that is. Ezra doesn't. Unless Maul communicated that the planet he was on was Tatooine AND was able to give directions on getting there, it's a plot hole. If he did do so, it's just bad writing. There is no implication that Maul did such a thing.

 

[astroboy]

Ezra knows Maul is looking for a desert planet with Twin Suns. Maul knows precisely which planet that is. Ezra doesn't. Unless Maul communicated that the planet he was on was Tatooine AND was able to give directions on getting there, it's a plot hole. If he did do so, it's just bad writing. There is no implication that Maul did such a thing.

I totally forgot that maul had been there before

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[astroboy]

Btw, what was with the twin suns...At night? They didn't look like moons

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[Greenie]

I think they were moons. Didn't we see them in AOTC as Anakin sneaks up on the Tusken village.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Past references note that Tattooine has 3 moons.