STAR TREK: The Original Series - Hand Phaser Props - P2s and P1s

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STAR TREK: TOS Phaser Unit #2 (P2) and Phaser Unit #1 (P1) Props

It all began when Walter M. Jefferies (the future Art Director for Star Trek) was given the assignment to create a new hand held energy weapon that did not look like every other "ray gun" that went before. The first Star Trek "pilot" had "laser" pistols that looked like a western "six shooter".

HISTORY

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. Matt produced two working drawings for the Desilu Prop Department. One covered the "Phaser Unit # 1" (P1) and the other covered the "Phaser Unit # 2" (P2) and the "Phaser Unit # 3" (the power pack grip/handle).

Matt Jefferies's Phaser Unit # 2 (P2) drawing:
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Source of this drawing: Live Auction Group

The first working Hero P2s the Desilu Effects Department (DED) made are very close to this drawing. In fact one member of the TPZ overlaid a photo of the Greg Jein (GJ) P2 (as it appears now) on a version of this drawing and the photo and drawing lined up almost exactly.


Matt Jefferies's Phaser Unit # 1 (P1) drawing:
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Source of this drawing: Live Auction Group

The DED did not make the first working Hero P1s exactly to this drawing. For example the rising sight opens in the opposite direction and the sight screen and the "push buttons" and the "snap lock" recess were not illuminated.

These drawing are the foundation of any Star Trek: TOS Phaser prop study.

- - For those of you who cannot visualize what a 3-D object looks like based on a "working drawing" - here are some photo mosaic drawings of what the P2 and P1 would have looked like if the Desilu Effects Department (DED) had made the props exactly to Matt's drawings (Note - the "forward facing louvers" are not shown on either P1 side view):

Matt Jefferies's Phaser Unit # 2, side view (in Wah Ming Chang colors):
Matts P2 - side view -(C).png

Drawing Source: I drew this representation of what the left side view of Matt's P2 would have looked like based on the "Phaser Unit #2" drawing. (Qi Press is my company)
Drawing Note: I did not draw the "forward facing louvers" on the P1.



Matt Jefferies's Phaser Unit # 2, front view:
Matts P2 - front view. -(C)png.png

Drawing Source: I drew this representation of what the front view of Matt's P2 would have looked like based on the "Phaser Unit #2" drawing by Matt Jefferies.


Matt Jefferies's Phaser Unit # 1, side view and top view, with sight screen fully open:
Matts P1 - replicat photo.png


Drawing Source: I drew this representation of what the top and left side views of Matt's P1 would have looked like based on the "Phaser Unit #1" drawing. This is a
photo of my Wand Company P1 modified with photo mosaic techniques.



Matt incorporated several things in his original design (drawing) that were not produced by the Desilu props department (DPD) for the Phaser Unit # 1:

· P1 safety – the trigger button was not operational until the sight was up

· P1 sight screen illuminated when in the [fully] open [up] position

· The power push buttons on the P1 were illuminated

· Clear sight opening on P1 (the rectangle above the nozzle in the front)

· Sight screen was rotated by rack and pinion to slider control (switch)
See Drawings: 2.1 and 2.4.

· Sight screen rotates 195 degrees to full open or full closed*

· A magnet inset into the bottom of the P1 for mounting it on a belt (the
DPD glued a piece of Velcro to the bottom half of the P1 instead.)


* Matt Jefferies's Phaser Unit # 1, right side view, xray drawing, showing final sight screen position during the opening process the when slider
switch was pushed forward:

Matts P1 - side view - internal sketch 1 - drawing 2.2.B-(C)Z.png

The sight screen was designed to move down (from the closed position - i.e. flat) and then revolve 195 degrees counter clockwise to full open. Pulling back on the slider switch reversed the opening process (the plexi revolved clockwise) closing the sight screen.

The DED sight screen moved up from the closed position (clockwise) when the thumb wheel was rotated forward.

Matt incorporated several things in his original design (drawing) that were not produced by the Desilu Effects Department (DED) Phaser Unit # 2:

· Probe (emitter) on P2 would extend or retract by rotating the “range
adjustment” ring on the nozzle

· P2 Trigger unlocked when power pack (Unit #3) is rotated into position
(1/2 turn, 90 degrees) - - see my drawing reproduction on cover

· Recess on rear bottom of P2 body to receive spring lock of Unit #4 (Note: this recess was not found on the Greg Jein (GJ) P2. So the logical assumption is - this original phaser rifle ala Man From Uncle feature was not incorporated. I believe there is a thread on therpf that shows what the P2 would have looked like if the take down rifle had been built. - - I will look for the link.)


II. The second basis for studying Star Trek: TOS Hero Phasers is the Desilu "production memo" that "feek61" researched and compiled. The Desilu production memo entitled: "Inventory", dated 14July1966, provided by "feek61" reflects:

PHASER GUNS
4 Practical Guns - - includes #1 & #2 – Power Packs
4 Practical Power Packs (extra)
4 Power Packs to make Phaser #3
6 Wood Dummy Power Packs

5 Rubber Guns Complete #1 & #2 – Power Pack
4 #1 Guns

"PLASTIC GUNS"
10 Complete Dummy Guns #1 & #2 - Power Packs
9 #1 Dummy Guns
4 #2 Dummy Guns
4 Guns-includes #1 & #2 -- without Power Packs

===========================================
There is no doubt that 4 "practical" (or "working" or "hero") phaser unit 2s were built (P2s and P1s) in 1966.
THANK YOU FEEK61 !


III. The black and white (B&W) "practical" ("working" or "hero") Phaser Unit # 2 (P2).

The four B&W Hero P2s produced by the DED were filmed in episodes: 5, 6, 7 and 8. (Note: I use the production episode numbers - not the air date episode numbers or the "remastered" episode numbers.) After episode 8 Wah Ming Chang "reworked" them into the iconic phaser pistols that every "baby boomer" recognizes.

Drawing notes: (1) The rounded push buttons instead of the flat top push buttons Matt's drawings specified.
(2) The control knob on the rear deck is taller than was specified in Matt's P2 drawing.
(3) The power pack grip was longer than the grip specified in Matt's P2 drawing.
(4) The power pack grip cross section was not exactly the same as the cross-section in the drawing.
(5) The power pack grip was not as wide.

The B&W Finney P2 was in episodes: 5, 6 and 7. ("The Enemy Within", "The Man Trap" and "The Naked Time".)
The B&W Unknown P2 was in episodes: 5 and 6 ("The Enemy Within" and "The Man Trap")
The B&W Greg Jein was in episodes: 6 and 8 (The Man Trap" and "Charlie X")
- - I think the forehead on this P2 was broken in episode 6 ("The Man Trap") and the Jein P1 was also damaged.
The B&W Riley/Lenore P2 was in episodes: 6 and 7 ("The Man Trap" and "The Naked Time".) - - This B&W Hero P2 was worn on Kirk's tan pistol belt and then on Scotty's tanj pistol belt while he was trying to figure out where to cut the Engineering room bulkhead. Note: the Hero P1 in these two episodes was different.

Note: How the power push buttons (on the Hero P1s, in the following B&W Hero P2 drawings) were rounded and the sight screen slider switch control was implemented as a thumb wheel.

You can clearly see the rounded push buttons on the B&W P1 in the B&W hero P2 that Captain Kirk holds in the Engineering scene of episode 5, "The Enemy Within". And note how the shell battery cover is only on the bottom of the P1. Compare this drawing to the Matt Jefferies's Phaser Unit # 1, side view and top view drawing.

- - B&W drawing notes - I originally had problems with loss of definition when I made the P2 and P1 bodies black. The complex curves and corners were being lost. So I set the drawings to a lighter shade of gray. Matt Jefferies's Phaser Unit # 1, side view and top view drawing in the previous section are more correct. It was a photo mosaic rather than a "rendering".

The following four drawings reflect the four practical phaser unit # 2s (P2) the DED fabricated in 1966 before filming of the show began:

B&W Greg Jein P2 - side views-(C).png

B&W Greg Jein P2

B&W Finney P2 with B&W TMOST P1 - side views -(C) .png

B&W Finney P2

B&W Unknonwn P2 with B&W Nona P1 - side views -(C) .png

B&W Unknown P2
Note: The cylindrical emitter in the aluminum P2 nozzle. This was the only hero P2 to have a cylindrical emitter.

B&W Riley-Lenore P2 - side views-(C).png

B&W Riley/Lenore P2

B&W P2 - front Views GJ-FN-UK-RL -(C).png

The 4 B&W P2 - front views
Note: The difference between the emitter diameter of the Unknown P2 and the other 3 emitter diameters.

B&W P2 - top views UK-RL -(C).png

B&W P2 - top views


The following true color drawing of the B&W Finney P2 - is an example of the all black phaser pistol:
B&W Finney P2 - true color image-(C).png

This drawing reflects one of the main reasons Gene Roddenberry did not like the B&W Hero P2s - first fabricated by the DED - the all black body causes a loss of detail.
I found no evidence in TMOST or in Herb Solow's books that Gene ever sent a memo regarding the color of the "phaser gun" to Matt during
the design process. My guess - the DED team chose black - because black was the color of military firearms in the 1960s.

The following photo mosaic represents the B&W Jein P1 - the future Greg Jein P1:
B&W Jein P1 - (C)Z.png

B&W Jein P1

This drawing is from my B&W P1 rendering sheet for (what I l have re-labeled the B&W Jein P1) the future Greg Jein P1. Note: It has Velcro on the left side and no jewel between the thumb wheel and force indicator push buttons. Also note how the thumb wheel and push buttons are in line with the sight hood cut-out.


IV. Wah Ming Chang (WMC) "reworked" the 4 black and white (B&W) "practical" ("working" or "hero") Phaser Unit # 2s (P2s). (Reference Desilu Invoice # 43977)

The following changes were made by Mr. Chang to the four B&W Hero P2s:

(1) Hand Phaser (“Phaser Unit # 1” or P1):


· The body of the P1 was painted dark grey

· Aluminum rails were added to both sides of two of the Hero hand phasers. The Hero P1s with Velcro on the left side had an aluminum rail
added to the right side only and WMC painted a silver/white line on the Velcro on the left side to match the width and length of the rail.

· Diamond textured silver foil was added to the top of the sight cover

· A watch crown with a colored jewel was added to the top of two of the Hero hand phasers (P1s) between the sight control thumb wheel and the two force indicator windows. Two P1s apparently only received a jewel. (2 blue and 2 red)

· The two force indicator power push buttons were replaced with a single curved window (now called the “half-moon”):

(2) Pistol phaser body (“Phaser Unit 2” or P2):

· The body of the P2 was painted a light cool (blue) gray

· Aluminum fins went over the molded fins on the rear of the P2 body

· The rear control knob (aluminum bar) was changed to a “ten turn” knob,

(3) Pistol phaser power pack grip (Phaser Unit 3 or P3):

· The white power pack grip (handle) was replaced with the special power pack
grips with the base plate with Valise plug prong cut-outs for P4 assembly.

The following sampling of photo mosaic drawings represent a WMC "reworked" P1 and and two WMC "reworked" P2s:
WMC Nona P1 - (C)Z.png

WMC Nona P1
Note: The alignment of the thumb wheel and force indicator with the sight screen cutout and the red jewel.


WMC Riley Lenore P2 - side views-(C).png

WMC Riley/Lenore P2
Note: The short P2 emitter in the aluminum nozzle.


WMC Greg Jein P2 - side views-(C).png

WMC Greg Jein P2
Note: The Velcro on the left side of the P1 for carrying practical P2s on the tan pistol belt.
Also note: The short emitter in the aluminum nozzle.


The following drawing represents the front views of the 4 WMC Practical P1s:
WMC P1 - front views - (C).png



The following drawing represents the front views of the 4 WMC Practical P2s:
P2 Front Views - 4.3z-(C)-frame.png

The Greg Jein P2 had the largest sight window of the four (4) Hero P2s.


V. AutoCad drawings of the "Practical" P2 and P1 ("reworked" by Wah Ming Chang) were made by Nelson Au in 2009.

Nelson presented his work on the TPZ as "sunking69". In my opinion the lines and curves of the drawings he posted in July 2007 were "spot on". Other members at the time disagreed and gave him their preferences. His dimensions were based on the JLong P1 Kit. Fortunately robn1 was able to provide the correct dimensions - see his corrected drawing below.

The following AutoCad drawings were posted by "sunking69" on or around 09August 2009:

P2 layout:
phaser2layout71007ya1fullsize.jpg

Copyright Nelson Au - 2009. All Rights Reserved.


P1 layout:
phaser1layout71007vd6fullzie.jpg

Copyright Nelson Au - 2009. All Rights Reserved.


P2 sections:
phaser2sections71007af3-fullsize.jpg

Copyright Nelson Au - 2009. All Rights Reserved.


P2 detail:
phaser2detail71007hu5fullsize.jpg

Copyright Nelson Au - 2009. All Rights Reserved.

P1 detail:
phaser1detail71007ac2fullsize.jpg

Copyright Nelson Au - 2009. All Rights Reserved.

P1 rendering:

p1layoutillustrationbrgcf6.jpg

Copyright Nelson Au - 2009. All Rights Reserved.

The following drawing with corrected dimensions, added by robn1, was posted 08Aug2022 (see robn1's reply):
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As you can see the length of the P2 saddle is 3.614 inches in robn1's corrected drawing compared to 3.72 inches in Nelson's 2009 drawing.
This difference in the length of the P2 saddle means the length of the P1 shown in Nelson's P1 drawing is also incorrect.


VI. The "Tells" that allow you to pic out a practical P2 in a given episode.

The following photo mosaic drawings reflects the nozzle nozzle location and emitter length “tell”s and the forehead slope “tell”:

Nozzle location tell -(C).png

The top P2 nozzle is the Finney P2 and the bottom P2 nozzle is the Greg Jein P2.
Nelson's P2 Detail Drawing (upper right) above reflects the forehead slope tells.


Nozzle location tell -lighten image - (C).png

The bottom emitter is very short compared to the top emitter. Note: The
emitter lengths shown occur on the real props when their respective
P1s are inserted (FinneyP2 + TMOST P1, Greg Jein P2 + Jein P1)


Nozzle location tell -lighten image-forehead size difference -(C).png

The forehead thickness of the Greg Jein P2 is larger than the Finney P2.
The top P2 has a section in grayscale from the bottom P2.


The following B&W Hero P2 drawings reflect the rear fin "tells" for two B&W Hero P2s that were filmed in episodes 5, "The Enemy Within" and 6, "The Man Trap":

rear fin Tells - chapter 10.png

These B&W rear fin differences can be seen in the Wah Ming Chang "reworked" P2s - where the aluminum clips are located and the lengths of the clip sets.


VII. The Finney P2 and TMOST P1 have been put up for auction! Check out the following links for rare photos provided by the auction house:

The "Finney" P2 - filmed in closeup in "Court-Martial":
LONG-LOST STAR TREK TOS HERO PHASER AND COMMUNICATOR COMES OUT FOR SOME ACTION – PART 3 / THE PHASER 2

The TOST P1 (matted in the Finney P2) - filmed in closeup in "Court-Martial:
LONG-LOST STAR TREK TOS HERO PHASER AND COMMUNICATOR COMES OUT FOR SOME ACTION – PART 2 / THE PHASER 1

In case you are wondering - the Finney P2 prop was filmed in more episodes of Star Trek than any of the other 4 Hero P2s.
 

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The following Practical Phaser trace tables list the 4 Practical Phaser P2s and P1s (B&W and WMC) and in
which episode they were filmed in Season 1.

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The following Season 1 "Counting Phasers" table - reflects the type of phaser that was filmed in a given episode.

Counting Phasers table - 1 -(1.1)x (C).png


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NOTE: These tables represent my stab at compiling this historical information and is by no means the final word.
If you see an error or know of an addition for these tables - start a conversation and let me know.


The following P1 parts diagram reflects a recreation of the TMOST P1 photo with the battery cover off. I have labeled
the parts.

TMOST internal parts - labeled - (C).png


The following photo mosaic drawing reflects my new P2 bottom view modified back to the B&W configuration:

New Bottom View - B&W P2 - (1.8)z-(C).png
 

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The second basis for studying TOS Hero Phasers is the Desilu "Inventory List" or "production memo" that "Feek61" researched and compiled.

The Desilu production "Inventory List", dated 14July1966, provided by "feek61" reflects:

PHASER GUNS
4 Practical Guns - - includes #1 & #2 – Power Packs
4 Practical Power Packs (extra)
4 Power Packs to make Phaser #3
6 Wood Dummy Power Packs

5 Rubber Guns Complete #1 & #2 – Power Pack
4 #1 Guns

"PLASTIC GUNS"
10 Complete Dummy Guns #1 & #2 - Power Packs
9 #1 Dummy Guns
4 #2 Dummy Guns
4 Guns-includes #1 & #2 -- without Power Packs

===========================================
There is no doubt that 4 working or "practical" (Hero) phaser unit 2s were built (P2 and P1) in 1966.
THANK YOU FEEK61 !
The "Black and White" (B&W) Hero P2s were first shown in episode 6, "The Man Trap". The B&W P2s were very close in appearance to the working drawing that Matt produced for the Desilu Prop Department (DPD).

The following replica drawing is one I produced for a project I have been working on. The replica drawing is based on Matt's "Phaser Unit 2" (P2) working drawing. PLEASE NOTE: This drawing is based on a modified photo mosaic of my Master Replicas P2 and Rod.com P1 - so the drawing is not a one to one match to Matt's original working drawing.

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One of the interesting things you will notice if you study Matt's original P2 drawing is the P1 emitter cannot be seen when the P1 is installed into the P2. See the side view ("Sec B") on Matt's original drawing - the forehead space.


The following replica B&W P2 drawing is a modified photo mosaic of my Master Replicas P2 and Rod.com P1 - so the drawing is not a one to one match to the original B&W P2s that were made by the DPD. And the gray areas of the P2 body are not black.

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Greetings and Felicitations!

I have been studying "Star Trek: The Original Series" hand phasers (P1s and P2s) since the television show was first broadcast in 1966 on NBC.

Since there are no longer any prop archives or forums exclusively about Star Trek: TOS phasers available on the Internet - I will take the initiative and start one here.

If you have information and photos that can be shared here on this thread under "fair use" please do.

I will start the conversation with a brief introduction about the Star Trek TOS Phaser pistol.
It all began when Walter M. Jefferies (the future Art Director for Star Trek) was given the assignment to create a new hand held energy weapon that did not look like every other "ray gun" that went before. The first Star Trek "pilot" had "laser" pistols that looked like a western "six shooter".

Matt produced two working drawings for the Desilu Prop Department. One covered the "hand phaser" or "Phaser Unit 1" (P1) and the other covered the "Phaser Unit 2" (P2) and the "Phaser Unit 3" (the power pack grip/handle).


View attachment 1600003
Source of this drawing: Live Auction Group

The first working Hero P2s the Desilu Prop Department (DPD) made are very close to this drawing. In fact one member of the TPZ overlaid a photo of the Greg Jein (GJ) P2 (as it appears now) on a version of this drawing and the photo and drawing lined up almost exactly.



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Source of this drawing: Live Auction Group

The DPD did not make the first working Hero P1s exactly to this drawing. For example the rising sight opens in the opposite direction and the sight screen and the "push buttons" were not illuminated.

These drawing are the foundation of any Star Trek TOS Phaser study.

In my next post I will continue with the "Black and White" (B&W) P2s.
I have an extensive archive of original photos of screen used P1's and P2's. To view some of these visit my YouTube channel per the link below https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYg_6isRS2s4KrmJYauIX2w Also, I can get you some files that can be downloaded BUT you will need to create (or have) a gmail email account to do this. I can do a thumb-drive with tons of images of screen-used phasers BUT I would need to know where to mail it. Thanks, Jonpaultrek2012 Jon-Paul usa 941.928.8128; leave a long voice mail if I do not pick-up.
 
I have an extensive archive of original photos of screen used P1's and P2's. To view some of these visit my YouTube channel per the link below https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYg_6isRS2s4KrmJYauIX2w Also, I can get you some files that can be downloaded BUT you will need to create (or have) a gmail email account to do this. I can do a thumb-drive with tons of images of screen-used phasers BUT I would need to know where to mail it. Thanks, Jonpaultrek2012 Jon-Paul usa 941.928.8128; leave a long voice mail if I do not pick-up.
I see you are using some of my pics from my builds in your Wand Laser or Hero Conversion video without my permission.
 
In order to be able to tell which hero P2 you are looking at - you have to carefully study Episode 5, "The Enemy Within" and Episode 6, "The Man Trap". Specifically the scenes where Kirk and Spock are side-by-side in the shot - pulling off their P2s from their gold pistol belts at the same time and/or holding their respective B&W Hero P2s in the same shot. It would be helpful if I could post screen grabs of these scenes - and the "fair use" clause of US Copyright Law would allow me to do that for education purposes. However - I see no reason to expose this forum to false claims by outsiders when I can communicate what I am trying to say with drawings.

The following side-by-side comparison drawing shows two of the B&W Hero P2s that you can see if you carefully watch episode 5, "The Enemy Within".

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Again these drawings are modified photo composites of two different B&W Hero P2s that you can see in episode 5 even if you do not have "Blue Ray"(TM) disks. Granted these are not screen caps - however you should be able to identify which Hero P2s these poor replica drawings represent by the "tells". I will give you a hint - the P2 on the right appears in both episodes 5 and 6. The P2 on the left appears in episode 5 not in episode 6. Another hint - Captain Kirk holds the B&W Hero P2 on the right in both episodes.
Hey - does anyone know how to contact "sunking69" aka Nelson Au? Nelson produced outstanding AutoCad drawings of the TOS P2s and P1s back in 2007 and shared his work on the TPZ. I would love to be able to include his drawings in this thread. Thanks in advance to anyone who knows how to contact Nelson.
 
I have an extensive archive of original photos of screen used P1's and P2's. To view some of these visit my YouTube channel per the link below https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYg_6isRS2s4KrmJYauIX2w Also, I can get you some files that can be downloaded BUT you will need to create (or have) a gmail email account to do this. I can do a thumb-drive with tons of images of screen-used phasers BUT I would need to know where to mail it. Thanks, Jonpaultrek2012 Jon-Paul usa 941.928.8128; leave a long voice mail if I do not pick-up.

jonpaul01041, thank you for the offer. (The screen caps you included in one of your YouTube(TM) videos from episode 5 were very helpful in helping me complete my current project.) I will accept your offer - when I order some parts for my DS P2 from you next month.

In the mean time - I am trying to establish an archive in this forum that does not infringe the Rights of CBS Studios. "Fair Use" of Copyrighted material cannot be claimed, as a defense, when money is being made directly or indirectly. Though I am not selling anything on this forum at present - other members are and I too am thinking about selling some of my work when I become a "premium" member.

I do not want to help non-members do to "therpf.com" what they apparently did to the "tpz.com" ...
Great. My email jonpaul0151@gmail.com. As for copyright issues; all my parts and star trek stuff are sold under a registered trademark "jonpaultrek2012 ® United States Patent and Trademark Office Reg. No.6,431,925". As a legit business, I have a copyright, patent, and trademark attorney. Patents last 14 to 20 years and apply to 3D physical objects exclusively. Copyrights and Trademarks (including registered trademarks) are for 2D things like; a unique-name, logo, photo, movie, or William Shatner's image as Kirk, also exclusively, these last 14 years each. The phrase Star Trek is two common words and is only trademarked (aka copyrighted) when the Logo is used (the Star Trek custom font and colors as registered with the US Patent and Trademark Office). TOS never applied for any toy or prop patents so you are 100% safe BUT do not cut and paste the official Star Trek logo even though it too has an expired copyright/registered trademark (CBS can be touchy about that as the re-runs do well).
Art Asylum does include a Copyright and Registered Trade Mark "raised" on the tail of the TOS toy phaser. This is a reference to the packaging images and logo not to the toy. The toy needs a patent but has none and never had one.
The attached 1991 prop phaser patent (now long expired since 2005) is one example of an item that Paramount patented. Paramount did this with movies and some TV phasers, and other items. The 2009 Star Trek movie prop patents will expire in 2022.
Paramount saw Lucasfilms make boatloads of merchandising money by patenting toys and alike. I understand that was "a new hope" for more $$ for Paramount/CBS. LOL.
In summary: As for TOS licensed products; the only thing CBS/Paramount can license to anyone is specific logos and specific images that CBS/Paramount is keeping current Copyrights and Registered Trade Mark's on. No TOS patents exist so I say why pursue a licensing deal? My business team sees no value in getting a license deal for such things. Did anyone notice the re-packaging graphics on the AA/DS phaser? Maybe 14 years elapsed so it was time for a new photo and a newly copyrighted and trademarked set of graphics?
 

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I do not want to help non-members do to "therpf.com" what they apparently did to the "tpz.com" ...
Has there been confirmation that CBS had anything to do with TPZ shutting down? I have a really, really hard time believing that to be true, nor have I seen any company come in and make a stink about any images shared here. Also, this thread has nothing to do with making any money.
 
Has there been confirmation that CBS had anything to do with TPZ shutting down? I have a really, really hard time believing that to be true, nor have I seen any company come in and make a stink about any images shared here. Also, this thread has nothing to do with making any money.
mrwax, I was trying to find the TPZ earlier this year to see what might have been posted (int the phaser thread) during my long absence and could not find my saved login page.

So I performed a search on the "Trek Prop Zone" and found a number of complaints and "rip off report" pages. I do not know if CBS or Paramount got involved. However the "rip off report" pages had the following inflammatory phrases in the title of the main report: "...Star Trek Property infringment, CBS infringment, Paramount infringment..." (incorrect spelling left in my quote).

Since this is the only forum left (I was unaware of Hero dot com which is now also gone) - I do not want to take any chances and have not posted any "screen grabs" from copyrighted shows or movies in any of my posts.
 
Interesting, I only drifted into TPZ a few times before it shut down, same with The Fleet Workshop, so I'm not aware of any of the specifics. Either way, I'm all for more phaser information.
 
So I performed a search on the "Trek Prop Zone" and found a number of complaints and "rip off report" pages. I do not know if CBS or Paramount got involved. However the "rip off report" pages had the following inflammatory phrases in the title of the main report: "...Star Trek Property infringment, CBS infringment, Paramount infringment..." (incorrect spelling left in my quote).
Those reports are more than a decade old and were just a bunch of bunk. I don't know all the details of why TPZ has gone but it wasn't anything like this.
 
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