I’m actually gonna have to rewatch Picard season 3 … did they even mention B4
Having no idea this was a thing, I prob just thought it was weird dialogue if he was mentioned
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I’m actually gonna have to rewatch Picard season 3 … did they even mention B4
Having no idea this was a thing, I prob just thought it was weird dialogue if he was mentioned
Riceball
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While I'm sure that Project Genesis was certainly under wraps, the fact that Spock and Bones didn't know anything about it means nothing. This is because in the grand scheme of things both Spock and McCoy are essentially nobodies. Sure, they're famous because of the previous exploits of the Enterprise but Spock is just the captain of the Enterprise as a training vessel, and McCoy is her CMO, there's no reason why they would know anything about Genesis. In their positions, they wouldn't be privy to knowledge of any highly classified Starfleet projects or intelligence. Spock, as a starship captain might know about some of the new ships or ship tech that Starfleet plans on adopting but that would be it. McCoy, being CMO, would be privy to even less and probably couldn't care less either. The fact that Kirk even knows about Genesis is pretty amazing, even if he is a flag rank officer. But I guess that he was involved in the project somehow due to not so much his rank as much as the billet that he occupies.
CB2001
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Why didn't the 29th Century Starfleet not detect Spock and the Romulans' ships when they went back in time in the 2009 Star Trek film? Braxton, after the events of Future's End two-parter, stated that the 29th Century Federation detected Voyager over Earth in the 20th Century and had sent him back to fix it (and this was right after Voyager managed to change the events with the the timeship and breaking the loop) right away. Someone from the 29th Century should have detected them going through long before the Romulans change the timeline. Yes, I get it, they needed the change to make sell the differences in the changing of the timeline, and probably didn't even look into past ST series' episodes to know about the 29th Century and their time travel abilities. But, in-universe, there's no explanation as to why or how they allowed for two ships from a future timeframe to go back to before the TOS era and allow for the Romulans to change the timeline (because it's clear that with the changes, namely the wiping out of Vulcan, that Tuvok and his family are dead, leading to Voyager losing an important crew member who helped out on several occasions to keep the ship from being destroy, and thus causing one hell of a paradox that makes anything Janeway did look like a cake walk).
No need for Tuvok, I doubt the Voyager will ever be built in the Kelvin timeline. What Nero did changed forever what kind of organization Starfleet would become. This is why Enterprise is twice as big and built on the ground, and why Klingon D7s are called "warbirds", and why they can cloak years before they got cloaking tech from the Romulans.
Lame, I agree, but that's the in-universe explanation. We're meant to understand that the Kelvin timeline is more of a clean slate going forward.
Lame, I agree, but that's the in-universe explanation. We're meant to understand that the Kelvin timeline is more of a clean slate going forward.
CB2001
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But it still doesn't explain why the 29th Century didn't send someone back. If they sent Braxton back to bring Voyager back to it's timeframe, there would have been one sent back to bring Spock and the Romulans back before they could do any harm to the timeline.
universaljoint
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I was never really a fan of the time travel stuff Voyager and Enterprise did either for that matter. Braxton and the time police are fixing things at some point, and then their organization completely ignores the the last episode of Janeway HUGELY messing with time. We're not talking about grabbing a couple of Humpback wales there.
Well, I would think there are no 29th century time-cops in the Kelvin timeline. They can't hop between universes, can they? The Prime timeline is still intact...Nero spun off a new one.
Lightning
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We know from behind the scenes that the Prime timeline was not overwritten. Therefore, Red Matter causes a timeline split. So the Kelvin 29th century timecops need Nero to happen to ensure their own existence. Nothing happened from the perspective of the Prime 29th, since Nero didn't appear in that branch.
Every time the time police don't show up to fix stuff its because that time travel has to happen for the 29th century time police to exist at all.
I was watching TSFS last night. Why was Starfleet so adamant against letting Kirk go back to Genesis to retrieve Spock's body? I may have missed something, but I only recall Admiral Morrow stating that only Genesis scientists were allowed to go to Genesis. I understand there is a heightened security concern following the events of TWOK but wouldn't retrieving a Starfleet captain's body be a high priority especially considering that captain's father is an important political official from a closely allied Federation planet? I assume Starfleet isn't inlclined to cater to something related to Vulcan mysticism but again, if a high-ranking Admiral (Kirk) and an Ambassador (Sarek) wish to retrieve a Starflleet Captain's body, which also pertains to the well-being of a Starfleet officer (McCoy), Starfleet really couldn't accommodate them? Also, why wasn't there a greater security presence around Genesis?
I always read it as a major political concern. The Genesis Device, which could be perverted into a weapon, was stolen and detonated by terrorists. As a result, the cat was out of the bag in terms of the rest if the galaxy knowing that the Federation had developed this technology.
The Federation Council thus presumably agreed to send a single, unarmed science ship to study the planet, so that enemy powers wouldn't wrongly assume that the Federation had developed a weapon/terraforming tool in order to claim and reshape lifeless border planets, or use the Genesis Planet itself as a military staging base. Sending more ships--armed ships--to the planet could have given the wrong impression.
Of course, the Klingons assumed exactly that, anyway, when their spies intercepted Kirk's report to Starfleet on the events of TWOK.
Yeah, that's along the lines of what I was thinking.
But do you think this also pertains to choosing to not let Kirk retrieve Spock?
That all makes sense except Starfleet not at least planning some means to retrieve Spock. I understand not sending armed ships or Kirk but then sending a science vessel to meet up with the Grissom after its science team retrieved Spock shouldn't be an issue. This is all moot of course since the Grissom detected Spock on its own anyway but I'm struggling to understand Starfleet's unwillingness to honor the wishes of a fallen comrade's family to simply recover his body. It's not like they had to go into the neutral zone. The Genesis Sector is in Federation space.
Lightning
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Given the politcs on display, I think its likely that the Federation Council itself passed a law restricting access to Genesis, likely after negotiations with the Klingons and Romulans to prevent war. So Starfleet isn't legally allowed to send more than one science vessel to Genesis without The Federation Council's OK.
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Wow…I didn’t really know where to post this but thought it worth sharing.
This is an interview that you have got to watch all the way through to the end.
My view of Gene Roddenberry has been a bit altered by this interview…it gets weird, at times:
This is an interview that you have got to watch all the way through to the end.
My view of Gene Roddenberry has been a bit altered by this interview…it gets weird, at times:
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I watched First Contact tonight (TNG movies are back on Paramount+) and had a few questions. First how did the Vulcans not detect the Enterprise beaming the crew out along with the tech they're carrying. I know they say the Enterprise is behind the moon or something, but I would think the Vulcan sensors would pick up their tech. Second did they recover the life pods? They couldn't leave them because the tech inside would change the timeline and I doubt they can go into orbit. They seem too big to transport and I would guess too big to disintegrate.
Lightning
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I always thought "the moons gravitational field obscured our warp signature" was a bit of a cop out. Basically they got lucky.
In cases where they weren't being distracted by the Borg, we can safely assume that stealth protocalls were followed to prevent detection by Vulcan sensors, the specifics don't matter.
The lifeboats are not too big to transport, so they either flew them back or beamed everything back in place before the Vulcans got there.
In cases where they weren't being distracted by the Borg, we can safely assume that stealth protocalls were followed to prevent detection by Vulcan sensors, the specifics don't matter.
The lifeboats are not too big to transport, so they either flew them back or beamed everything back in place before the Vulcans got there.
Am I the only one who thought that Riker came off as an arrogant / inflexible / coddled / spoiled / disrespectful officer in this episode?
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