Star Trek Picard Season Three
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CB2001
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Or, maybe the Queen selects certain people to be her representations, and she is actually not just one body? I mean, like the film adaptation of The Puppet Masters by Robert Heinlein, basically one organism but many limbs kind of thing. And those "appendages" control the rest of the collective?
Well she’s already shown herself to be able to regenerate/recreate her Alice Krige form multiple times. It was inferred that she was on the Wolf 359 cube, returned for the events of First Contact and later back again for Voyager.
Picard: Yes, I... I remember you. You were there all the time. But... that ship... and all the Borg on it were destroyed...
Queen: You think in such three-dimensional terms. How small you've become.
Picard: Yes, I... I remember you. You were there all the time. But... that ship... and all the Borg on it were destroyed...
Queen: You think in such three-dimensional terms. How small you've become.
For that to be true, then the entire wall next to it that I just showed lined up with the plaque would also have to be "hung higher".
Not to mention Levar Burton himself confirmed the ramp being "too steep":
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jts1031
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The Borg queen that infected Jurati was from an alternate timeline. Jurati became a Borg queen, but not the one that we're all familiar with. Those Borg went off and did their own thing until they showed up in season 2. The OG Borg were still doing what they'd been doing all along. Two entirely separate groups.
jts1031
Sr Member
For building a set that they only filmed on for two or three days, bless them that they got so much right.
Bloop
Sr Member
I tried to find a photo of the original set to see - I found this photo from season 1, which isn't from the same angle, but it seems to me like the plaque is close to the height it appears in ST: Picard as well as in that particular episode of TNG:
I also tried to use Brent Spiner as a reference for how high the plaque is - he's a similar height to Patrick Stewart (though it's hard to get accurate height information online, I believe Spiner was around the same height as Stewart, possibly even a bit taller, while TNG was in production). Plus, he's standing right against the wall at the top of the ramp, so his height should be a pretty good gauge:
It's not the best reference pic due to the graininess and blurriness, but I got as close as I could to positioning everything.
Judging from this, Spiner's eyeline would be just above mid-plaque if he were standing to the right of it, as I placed him here. But also keep in mind that he's still standing on a slant, so if he were standing directly in front of the plaque, which is not on the ramp, he'd be slightly lower.
Also, note the perspectives and posture of Stewart in your pic - in the TNG episode, he appears to be off to the right (where the ramp is) and appears to be standing fairly straight, with his head tilted back just a bit. In the Picard episode, it looks like he may be more in front of the plaque, with his head tilted sideways, and it's likely his posture isn't nearly as erect as in the TNG episode, especially given his age, which is part of the reason people appear to shrink in their old age.
Plus, your perspective line in blue that connects the wall along the ramp with the plaque in both episode pics that you used seems to show the new set is consistent with the original. So for the plaque to be too high would mean the entire wall would have been wrong, not just the placement of the plaque.
It's also worth noting that the new set's plaque is now surrounded by a gold color frame (the black backround panel also appears to have a border as well, maybe to "clean up" the edge and cover any screw holes like you can see in the original panel). So there are at least a few esthetic changes, but I'm reasonably sure that the height of the plaque is pretty close to the original, and the difference in Stewart's eyeline and head height in relation have more to do with his position relative to the plaque.
I may have spent WAY too much time trying to figure this out...
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Bloop
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BTW, I found that original set pic on the forgottentrek site:
Has lots of concept pics like these:
I hadn't seen any of these concepts for the Enterprise-D bridge before, so it was pretty interesting, especially the idea that it was originally supposed be a combination of the bridge, briefing room, and mess hall (I also found out that those gray panels on the sides were originally planned to be for replicators and equipment). Glad they abandoned that idea. The conference table in the middle and those couches in front of the navigation and ops stations just look odd, too casual for a bridge of a ship. Plus, having people hanging out and eating on the bridge doesn't seem right. I can imagine a Romulan Warbird attacking while some Ensign is trying to finish his sandwich in the background - kind of undercuts the drama.
Designing the Next Generation Bridge — Forgotten Trek
The Enterprise-D bridge was less mechanic in order to show that a century had passed since The Original Series.
forgottentrek.com
Has lots of concept pics like these:
I hadn't seen any of these concepts for the Enterprise-D bridge before, so it was pretty interesting, especially the idea that it was originally supposed be a combination of the bridge, briefing room, and mess hall (I also found out that those gray panels on the sides were originally planned to be for replicators and equipment). Glad they abandoned that idea. The conference table in the middle and those couches in front of the navigation and ops stations just look odd, too casual for a bridge of a ship. Plus, having people hanging out and eating on the bridge doesn't seem right. I can imagine a Romulan Warbird attacking while some Ensign is trying to finish his sandwich in the background - kind of undercuts the drama.
Picard102
Sr Member
The first one is is also from a low camera angle, the new one is almost level.Maybe, but the bridge is slightly off:
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And unless Picard has some really bad scoliosis, people don't shrink that much as they get older:
Do People Shrink as They Age? | UAMS Health
Vision, hearing, memory and hair are just a few things that tend to disappear as the candles increase on our birthday cake. Unfortunately, height can be added to this list. In fact, we can begin shrinking as early as our 30s, according to some research. Men can gradually lose an…uamshealth.com
Picard102
Sr Member
That's not what happend. The Jurati collective, created with the Queen from an alternate timeline, are completely separate from the Borg. They addressed this in the first few episodes of this season.
Maybe, but the bridge is slightly off:
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And unless Picard has some really bad scoliosis, people don't shrink that much as they get older:
Do People Shrink as They Age? | UAMS Health
Vision, hearing, memory and hair are just a few things that tend to disappear as the candles increase on our birthday cake. Unfortunately, height can be added to this list. In fact, we can begin shrinking as early as our 30s, according to some research. Men can gradually lose an…
But remember that the floor in that area slants downwards, so depending on where Stuart is standing would mean a few inches in height.
asalaw
Master Member
I forgot about that. I've only watched Voyager straight through once. Not my cup of tea.
Bloop
Sr Member
See my previous post above, where I go into (too much?) detail on that.
...Earl Grey, hot?
asalaw
Master Member
I actually do like Earl Grey, straight up--no milk or sugar. It has to be Twinings. I developed a taste for it from a very nice director I once worked for. She was awesome--very fond memories.
ArtistTheGeek
Sr Member
Look at the plaque in relation to the panels and black stripe to the right. It's the same. They probably had Patrick standing on a box for the original shot
In both pics I posted, He was standing right in front of it.
I still say they built it wrong, and even Mr. Burton says the ramp was steeper.
Anyways folks: it's there. Make of it what you will.
