Oh, why did you have to ruin such an exceptional post with that sentiment??
Star Trek Picard Season Three
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NakedMoleRat
Master Member
I knew I was pushing it.Oh, why did you have to ruin such an exceptional post with that sentiment??
asalaw
Master Member
I have to admit, things got a little misty around here too...
kalkamel
Master Member
bwayne64
Master Member
Damn that boy needs to eat a Twinkie.
*Meanwhile, pengbuzz just floats above the topic underneath his parachute, still fussing about how the ramp is three inches lower at the bottom than it should be.*
Pengbuzz to himself: "(Peng)...these guys will start a mass riot over one bolt missing off a ship or the size of a knob on a phaser replica... but the angle of the ramp on the bridge doesn't matter?! When I land... I'm gonna go get a shake at Friendly's or something. I'm getting too old for this crap!"
*Starts guiding parachute towards nearest Friendly's Restaurant*
Pengbuzz to himself: "(Peng)...these guys will start a mass riot over one bolt missing off a ship or the size of a knob on a phaser replica... but the angle of the ramp on the bridge doesn't matter?! When I land... I'm gonna go get a shake at Friendly's or something. I'm getting too old for this crap!"
*Starts guiding parachute towards nearest Friendly's Restaurant*
Bloop
Sr Member
I was just thinking about this - this is still the Replica Prop Forum, first and foremost. I assume we all became members of this site based our love for trying to re-create props, or models, or costumes, etc, and/or see other members attempts. This 'Entertainment and Movie Talk' sub-forum is still a part of that community, so it's understandable that people will obsess over the smallest details. I'd be disappointed if they didn't.
Pengbuzz, I also wanted to apologize for saying what you thought about the ramp was "crazy." In hindsight, I feel it was a little too harsh of a statemen. Hope you weren't (too) offended by it.
But I still say the ramp and plaque are right where they're supposed to be.
Star Trek Picard, a mawkish mess.
If you want quality writing watch almost any episode of the legacy series. If you're nostalgic to see the Enterprise D, just watch any episode of TNG which doesn't suffer from any of the canon twisting and ruination of post 2009 NuTrek.
If you want quality writing watch almost any episode of the legacy series. If you're nostalgic to see the Enterprise D, just watch any episode of TNG which doesn't suffer from any of the canon twisting and ruination of post 2009 NuTrek.
asalaw
Master Member
The first half was a bit melodramatic and I was very disappointed. But then it picked up and developed well, and I had a good time. Jeri Ryan was amazing. (Can you believe she’s 55???) The last scene with the crew got me misty. And I thought the tease in the coda might make a fine spinoff, if done right. On the whole, I’d give it a 4/5. I’m grading on a curve because part of my disappointment was the level of expectation going in.
Currently rewatching TNG, and I continue to note again and again just how smart and well-executed it is, especially compared to the kind of sloppy, stupid, immature writing we see in so much of today’s culture.
OK …no spoilers from me BUT one thing in common has become so tiresome between Star Trek and Star Wars that ties into the the wrap-up of the finale:
Death no longer has any agency in either franchise.
Death no longer has any agency in either franchise.
This happened to the comic book industry many years ago. I maintain that most IPs only have a healthy lifespan of 30 or so years, with one or two successful revivals. After the original creators, you get a generation or two of fans-turned pro.
Then, in come the corporations and the non-fan opportunists. And, the “archaeologists”, for lack of a better word. The writers who constantly dredge up and alter or undo old stories and characters, either for nostalgia-milking, or to tear them down (be it out of malice, agenda, or just for shock value). “Everything you know is wrong”, sequels to stories that didn’t need them, bringing back long-dead characters who had meaningful deaths, bringing in long-lost relatives, etc. Every lame soap opera trick in the book to get attention and/or boost sales. Creative bankruptcy, and a franchise running on empty. No real innovation or artistic statement. Just brand-management, pandering, and/or subversion.
asalaw
Master Member
Funny thing—at Trekconderoga, I said to John DeLancie that I’d rather have seen Q survive, and deal with how the experience might change him. He replied, “See, if we were in a writer’s room, I’d say that’s a good idea, let’s explore it.” I wonder in retrospect if he was hinting? Probably not, but it’s interesting nonetheless. In any case, it obviously hasn’t.
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asalaw
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Yeah—Measure of a Man, Inner Light—amazing writing. And the first Borg episode, with Q’s monologue at the end—“It’s not safe out here.” A worthy theme—there’s always a bigger fish.
On a related note: While I do think there’s something to be said for a story or character properly becoming legend only after they’re given an ending, some endings should be left to the imagination. STAR WARS, a fairy tale, had a proper ending in 1983. And so on. But not everything needs that kind of wrap-up.
That said, Kirk’s lame death in GENERATIONS was a huge mistake. I understand what they were going for, but I rather strongly think the we should never have seen or learned Kirk’s final fate in the TNG era. I think by definition a good STAR TREK story should end with the Enterprise flying off to a new adventure, and so wrapping things up in a definitive way is a mistake.
This is why “All Good Things” is one of the best finales ever, and why arguably nothing they’ve done with the TNG cast since since has hit that same perfect note.
Yep. Even in the earlier season, or in the lesser efforts of the later seasons, the intelligence and the drive for smart, compelling stories was always there. Just rewatched “Conundrum”, last night. Imagine a NuTREK version of a story where the crew loses their memories. It would surely devolve into a bunch of lame jokes, maybe an orgy or two, and the characters exploring and crying about their identity (politics), rather than the subtle, intelligent, slow-burn of the actual episode.
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asalaw
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I think Melinda Snodgrass was a force for good on that show—she’s a very good writer, as Measure of a Man shows.
Yep. With people like her, Piller, Moore, and Braga, TNG developed a real alchemy in terms of writing quality and diversity.
And I mean diversity of the types of stories, not the writers themselves. Which of course would have absolutely no bearing on the quality of the writing.
Don't forget Jeri Taylor, she had such an influence on the writers' room and to her credit was keen to "grey" the ship a bit.
