Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)

[Apollo]

:lol :lol :lol

Me personally, I refuse to believe that JJ's Trek is real! The last movie that we have from him will end with a very old Spock, retired on Vulcan waking up from a very intense nightmare! He will take a moment to collect his thoughts, flip his communicator open and call Uhura quickly and ask if they had ever done the nasty! After she calms down and quits expleting profanities at him, he hangs up and reflects on his weird dream, stating simply....."Fascinating!"

But the dream was fun for us to watch none-the-less! :$

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Oh, and ya, I think 72 clinches it. It's him.

 

[jcoffman99]

So is this a don't revive the 72 because Khan is in there deal? Or is Harrison really Khan?

 

[Michael Bergeron]

So is this a don't revive the 72 because Khan is in there deal? Or is Harrison really Khan?

You'll have to read the spoiler tags in this thread to find out but you make a good point. I think the opposite of the spoiler info would be a much more interesting film.

 

[jlee562]

This sort of makes my point. When Biff took the sports book back to his past self in 1955 and his past self used it to get rich, then the timeline changed. Marty went back to 1985 and his reality had been altered! He was not in an alternate universe, or alternate reality witn ANOTHER Marty somewhere out there living an untouched life! There was only one Marty in his changed reality.

When he went back to 1955 and re-took the sports book, it changed the timeline, or his present, back to what it sould have been.

What I am saying is that the TOS crew is in the same position as this. Their future, or Prime Spock's 'present' has been changed. And just as Marty is the only one whe remembered what it had been, becuase he was outside of the bubble when the change happened, so is Spock Prime.

Now, If Spock Prime were to go back further into time, and be there when Nero showed up, and destroyed his ship, then the alternate reality, alternate timeline would revert back to what he had lived, and the changes would never have taken place.

But since Spock Prime does not have a delorian and seems to have forgotten the slingshot effect around a sun, we are now stuck with the altered reality that Nero set into place.

There is no 'other' TOS crew living the life as Spock Prime remembers. He was outside the buddle and Nu-Spock will have a completely different set of memories than Spock Prime does whe he grows up!

But what if there is?

Many-worlds interpretation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The many-worlds interpretation is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that asserts the objective reality of the universal wavefunction and denies the actuality of wavefunction collapse. Many-worlds implies that all possible alternative histories and futures are real, each representing an actual "world" (or "universe"). It is also referred to as MWI, the relative state formulation, the Everett interpretation, the theory of the universal wavefunction, many-universes interpretation, or just many-worlds.

The original relative state formulation is due to Hugh Everett in 1957.[2][3] Later, this formulation was popularized and renamed many-worlds by Bryce Seligman DeWitt in the 1960s and 1970s.[1][4][5][6] The decoherence approaches to interpreting quantum theory have been further explored and developed,[7][8][9] becoming quite popular. MWI is one of many multiverse hypotheses in physics and philosophy. It is currently considered a mainstream interpretation along with the other decoherence interpretations, the Copenhagen interpretation,[10] and deterministic interpretations such as the Bohmian mechanics.

Before many-worlds, reality had always been viewed as a single unfolding history. Many-worlds, however, views reality as a many-branched tree, wherein every possible quantum outcome is realised.[11] Many-worlds claims to reconcile the observation of non-deterministic events, such as the random radioactive decay, with the fully deterministic equations of quantum physics.

In many-worlds, the subjective appearance of wavefunction collapse is explained by the mechanism of quantum decoherence, which resolves all of the correlation paradoxes of quantum theory, such as the EPR paradox[12][13] and Schrödinger's cat,[1] since every possible outcome of every event defines or exists in its own "history" or "world".

In lay terms, there is a very large—perhaps infinite[14]—number of universes, and everything that could possibly have happened in our past, but did not, has occurred in the past of some other universe or universes.

If it's good enough for Stephen Hawking....

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I believe if you re-read post # 2555, all those should be answered!

But what if there is?

Many-worlds interpretation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


If it's good enough for Stephen Hawking....

 

[Bryancd]

Third Star Trek Into Darkness Clip Has Kirk Confronting Harrison + Berlin Premiere Prep Pix | TrekMovie.com

So does that clinch it?

72.

Well, least we get to see the SS You Know What.

 

[kialna]

I might not be a die-hard trekkie, but I for one, dislike the nolanverse batman. Because it's nothing like the batman I know from the comics & cartoons. I didn't like what they did with catwoman, but I did like bane (contrary to the version of schumacher). However, the same thing is going on here. I might be blissfully unaware of the previous series(still waiting here to be watched, just like a lot of other series), the thing is...it's different. Harry Potter movies weren't the books but I still enjoyed them. Nolan movies weren't 'my' batman, but still enjoyable (although the technical aspect of filming is sometimes not my style and bothers me), so JJ's Star Trek are not the series, but until now, enjoyable.

People will always compare. It's up to oneself to be able to see it as something completely different or not. I for one, am looking forward to this movie.

 

[Jeyl]

Well, least we get to see the SS You Know What.

He might not be referring to that. He may be leading Kirk into a sector

Spoiler

controlled by Section 31, where the Vengeance will appear.

 

[Bryancd]

He might not be referring to that. He may be leading Kirk into a sector

Spoiler

controlled by Section 31, where the Vengeance will appear.

Yeah, good point, but he said Kirk would find the 72 reasons so it sort of seems...well you know. Gotta say both Pine and CB are really good in that scene. Despite my issues with the story, I think this is going to be a really good one.

 

[Jeyl]

Yeah, good point, but he said Kirk would find the 72 reasons so it sort of seems...well you know. Gotta say both Pine and CB are really good in that scene. Despite my issues with the story, I think this is going to be a really good one.

Spoiler

This is one of the 72.

 

[DARTH SABER]

sorry Naked Mole Rat, but you are %100 incorrect in regards to the timetravel scenario in Star Trek.

the writers of the last Trek movie themselves have stated that the scenario in the film is based on Hugh Everetts many Worlds Interpretation, which suggests that every action or event causes the branching of an alternate reality/timeline...and the dialog and events in the film confirm this.

when Nero arrived throug hthe black hole it branched the timeline creating an alternate reality. both the original reality, and the alternate reality, co-exist simultaneously, each with a different history starting at the point of Nero's arrivals.
this theory of timetravel bypasses any possible paradoxes since the history of one timeline can be different without altering the prime timeline from which it was branched.
so, the Star trek history you remember still exists, regardless if what Nero and Spock have done in the new reality....there is nothing that needs to be "fixed" in the new reality because this is the way the original events of this new reAlity have unfolded.

 

[Lost21stJedi]

With all this talk about timelines and alternate reality theories...

 

[Zuiun]

Guys, guys, guys.... all this "timeline needs to be fixed" and "both exist at the same time" stuff can be VERY easily solved.

Step 1. Get two TVs. Hook each up to a disc player.
Step 2. Put TOS into one player and JJTrek into the other.
Step 3. Push play.

BOOM! Two Treks moving along different paths at the same time, and neither one destroying the other.

Who said physics is hard??? :lol :facepalm

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Guys, guys, guys.... all this "timeline needs to be fixed" and "both exist at the same time" stuff can be VERY easily solved.

Step 1. Get two TVs. Hook each up to a disc player.
Step 2. Put TOS into one player and JJTrek into the other.
Step 3. Push play.

BOOM! Two Treks moving along different paths at the same time, and neither one destroying the other.

Who said physics is hard??? :lol :facepalm

You got rep for that!

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sorry Naked Mole Rat, but you are %100 incorrect in regards to the timetravel scenario in Star Trek.

the writers of the last Trek movie themselves have stated that the scenario in the film is based on Hugh Everetts many Worlds Interpretation, which suggests that every action or event causes the branching of an alternate reality/timeline...and the dialog and events in the film confirm this.

when Nero arrived throug hthe black hole it branched the timeline creating an alternate reality. both the original reality, and the alternate reality, co-exist simultaneously, each with a different history starting at the point of Nero's arrivals.
this theory of timetravel bypasses any possible paradoxes since the history of one timeline can be different without altering the prime timeline from which it was branched.
so, the Star trek history you remember still exists, regardless if what Nero and Spock have done in the new reality....there is nothing that needs to be "fixed" in the new reality because this is the way the original events of this new reAlity have unfolded.

I still believe what I choose to believe!

 

[Jeyl]

So how does that explain "Yesterday's Enterprise" where time travel DOES affect the reality you're in? Or First Contact?

 

[Michael Bergeron]

So how does that explain "Yesterday's Enterprise" where time travel DOES affect the reality you're in? Or First Contact?

...

I plead the fifth!

That's a good point actually. One can only assume that the rules of the universe changed between Classic Trek and JJ Trek.

 

[Bryancd]

So how does that explain "Yesterday's Enterprise" where time travel DOES affect the reality you're in? Or First Contact?

Doesn't that position negate your previous comment that Spock Prime could return to his timeline where Vulcan still exists? If Nero destroys Vulcan in this timeline it's gone in his as well, yes?

 

[seelsa73]

Can we move on from this tangent we've gone off on? We almost got back on track yesterday, but then we slipped back over here again. How about that new clip? Chilling.

 

[Bryancd]

I think it looks great. Regardless of my issue with their story choice, I think they are going to do a rip roaring job if telling it! That's why I like to read spoilers, I can move on and sit to watch the movie for what it is as opposed to what I was thinking it was going to be.