Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)

CessnaDriver said:
Thing is it is such a major diminishing of what captaincy of a starship is supposed to mean and what the Enterprise is supposed to be about. Anyone in that chair will have greatly earned it and demonstrated previously they are not green anymore but can handle it.
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You mean like Commodore Decker, or Commodore Stocker, or Captain Terrell, or Captain Esteban or Captain Harriman (I especially like this one as he was Kirk's successor! :lol). All fine examples of starship captains who could handle the center seat and... you know... not put everyone in a predicament that would get the entire crew killed. :unsure

Once again Starfleet has previously made "bad" decisions when it comes to handing out the captain's rank, but everyone seems to forget about those "crappy" captains.

Yes I get the "hallowed" position of a Starfleet Captain. I get the argument that you don't just "hand" the Enterprise to just "anyone" (well... except in the case of Ferris Bueller's best friend). My point is that Trek has had share of captains who didn't deserve it, but because it is JJTrek this time everyone cries foul.


How do we know that "this" Kirk isn't "that" good that he can take command of the Enterprise at a young age? Isn't this what the larger than life character of James T Kirk is all about? A Man amongst men?


Kevin
 
I always felt Harriman got short-changed and would have like to see more of him. After all, the ship blatantly wasn't ready, but Starfleet insists on rolling it out as a great publicity stunt, totally undermines the new guy by having Kirk there so that everyone can compare (as if it wasn't hard enough to live up to the legend), then shoves a ton of cameras in the guys face on what is already a pressure filled day...

Then everyone blames him for the destruction to the ship and the loss of Kirk? In an energy distortion that totally destroyed other ships, with half his tech not installed and every other ship in the fleet apparently the other side of the galaxy twiddling their collective thumbs? He should have been praised. It;s a shame we never got to see more of him, because I'd have liked to see him in stories where everything wasn't combining to give him the worst first day ever.
 
Sorry :lol Maybe folks pick on him for being "Ferris Bueller's best friend" or maybe I feel sorry for the guy that a) had to follow Kirk, and b) got the second worst Enterprise


Or maybe I'm dorky;)
 
SSgt Burton said:
You mean like Commodore Decker, or Commodore Stocker, or Captain Terrell, or Captain Esteban or Captain Harriman (I especially like this one as he was Kirk's successor! :lol). All fine examples of starship captains who could handle the center seat and... you know... not put everyone in a predicament that would get the entire crew killed. :unsure
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In my review of Star Trek III I wrote that Captain Esteban was voted most likely to consult Starfleet before making any decision and most likely to get blown up by Klingon's. :lol
 
SSgt Burton said:
You mean like Commodore Decker, or Commodore Stocker, or Captain Terrell, or Captain Esteban or Captain Harriman (I especially like this one as he was Kirk's successor! :lol). All fine examples of starship captains who could handle the center seat and... you know... not put everyone in a predicament that would get the entire crew killed. :unsure

Once again Starfleet has previously made "bad" decisions when it comes to handing out the captain's rank, but everyone seems to forget about those "crappy" captains.

Yes I get the "hallowed" position of a Starfleet Captain. I get the argument that you don't just "hand" the Enterprise to just "anyone" (well... except in the case of Ferris Bueller's best friend). My point is that Trek has had share of captains who didn't deserve it, but because it is JJTrek this time everyone cries foul.


How do we know that "this" Kirk isn't "that" good that he can take command of the Enterprise at a young age? Isn't this what the larger than life character of James T Kirk is all about? A Man amongst men?


Kevin
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Well again because JJ chose TOS to re-imagine, I pretty much blow off the other films in what I expect a TOS based story to be. Look at the path someone must take today to command an aircraft carrier, probably the closest thing we have today to compare to. It's a very focused career. A starship like the Enterprise would probably be even more so. Point is it lends realism and value to what
this ship is supposed to be about.
 
Jeyl said:
HE'S NOT GARY MITCHELL! Gary was killed in the comics and Damon Lindelof said they won't be using any elements from the comics to tell this story.
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Oh so sure are we?! We will see, and besides...does Lindelof even read comics? Not to mention Mitchell was on the show as well, silly boy.

BTW, no need to shout. All I hear is LEAVE BRITTNEY ALOOOOOONE, when you do :sleep
 
Maybe they delve into yet another alternate universe and he's actually playing the mirror Kirk from their evil counterpart universe?
 
Jeyl said:
HE'S NOT GARY MITCHELL! Gary was killed in the comics and Damon Lindelof said they won't be using any elements from the comics to tell this story.
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So if he died in the comics he could very well be alive in the movie since they're not using any elements from the comics.
 
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Maybe we can get a polar bear too.
 
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