Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)
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Kerr Avon
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Right, which is why it being Khan would be senseless and poor writing. Khan in this rebooted crap-verse wouldn't have any reason to hate Kirk. He wouldn't have any reason to seek Kirk out to have his Wrath on him. It'd be pointless and non sensical since this is a Starfleet Cadet which went from flunked out Cadet to Captain in the space of a few hours. Which is another giant piece of crap. And if that's a Spock death scene, then I don't even care that he dies because these two characters have only known each other what, a few years at most? True Spock and True Kirk had known each other DECADES and Shatner and Nimoy also had that relationship which made that scene powerful. Here, stealing it is just crapping on true greatness.
Which gives this movie the sort of feeling that it's two to three movies too early. Kind of like bringing Kay back in Men in Black II. Not a bad idea, just not one you should immediately jump into for the next movie.
Kerr Avon
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The Enterprise hitting the water seemed to come in pretty lazily slow. I hope they have an explanation of why it didn't just completely shatter when hitting the water. Really, something coming in from an unpowered orbit and letting gravity bring it in should have come rocketting in against the water.
FSURobbie
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I would just like to posit that two hands on a piece of glass does not necessarily mean death of Spock. True, they are intentionally playing up the imagery in this teaser, but we have no context and if I'm judging by the limited body language we got it looks like whomever is clad in black is the one suffering, not the pointy eared goblin...
I enjoyed the new Star Trek film, I took it at face value for what it was, ST made for the masses. I told my wife before it ever came out that for it to be a box office success it would have to abandon the core of Trek, and that's the fact that Trek was a thinking man's show. Dumb it down, amp up the space opera and it would do well, but it would also alienate the fan-base.
Going in with that expectation allowed me to enjoy it immensely, and I actually thought they got a lot more right as far as character interactions and behaviors than they got wrong. Sure, Spock/Uhura was a stretch for me, but I thought Kirk was pretty spot on personally. Cheating? Yeah, he did that in the OS as well. The kobayashi maru wasn't invented by J. J. and when Pine said, "Bull****" to Spock I almost squealed.
I'm looking forward to the sequel. I personally hope it's not Kahn because, as stated, it wouldn't make any sense in this new parallel reality, but I don't see anything in the teaser that is turning me off at this point. Is it TOS? Nope, not at all, but it looks like it will be another fun popcorn flick that at least gets me back in the familiar trappings I know and love.
I just hope if there is a third that the crew ventures out a bit. We still haven't seen the Klingons yet. Also, this will be the second time the entire fleet has been wiped out sans the Enterprise. They might want to work on their defenses a bit.. :confused
I enjoyed the new Star Trek film, I took it at face value for what it was, ST made for the masses. I told my wife before it ever came out that for it to be a box office success it would have to abandon the core of Trek, and that's the fact that Trek was a thinking man's show. Dumb it down, amp up the space opera and it would do well, but it would also alienate the fan-base.
Going in with that expectation allowed me to enjoy it immensely, and I actually thought they got a lot more right as far as character interactions and behaviors than they got wrong. Sure, Spock/Uhura was a stretch for me, but I thought Kirk was pretty spot on personally. Cheating? Yeah, he did that in the OS as well. The kobayashi maru wasn't invented by J. J. and when Pine said, "Bull****" to Spock I almost squealed.
I'm looking forward to the sequel. I personally hope it's not Kahn because, as stated, it wouldn't make any sense in this new parallel reality, but I don't see anything in the teaser that is turning me off at this point. Is it TOS? Nope, not at all, but it looks like it will be another fun popcorn flick that at least gets me back in the familiar trappings I know and love.
I just hope if there is a third that the crew ventures out a bit. We still haven't seen the Klingons yet. Also, this will be the second time the entire fleet has been wiped out sans the Enterprise. They might want to work on their defenses a bit.. :confused
Source?
I don't recall Gary Mitchell having only super strength and agility. Why would he need weapons when all he has to do is wave his hands? And didn't he have silver eyes when he got his power? And if this isn't the same power, why would he want revenge on all of planet Earth? He was just a cool guy in Star Trek before he and Elizabeth got zapped.
Monster Dave
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I agree that it could be Enterprise...but there's no saucer....sooooo
Monster Dave
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I really don't think that's Enterprise...from the looks and spacing of the nacelles, it's probably a different class ship. The rake is too wide and too flat.
The big screen cap from the trailer doesn't make sense as Enterprise as the NCC looks to be on a hull plate and not on a nacelle.
...and again...there's no saucer...
Klingons?! Missed that..
All the Clues and Easter Eggs from the Star Trek Into Darkness Teaser Trailer
All the Clues and Easter Eggs from the Star Trek Into Darkness Teaser Trailer
FSURobbie
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Hard to tell if that's a Klingon or not, definitely seems to be the boots/gauntlets of one. And to think I just mentioned how they haven't shown up yet...:facepalm
Angelus Lupus
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The problem for the writers is they can't even agree if the comic is canon. In one interview Bob Orci was asked if the original Trek universe continued and said "the comics says it does" but in the same interview he explained away a contradiction with the comic bay saying it wasn't canon.
Regardless: If you need a comic to explain the back-story or plot of your film, then your story-telling (and therefore your film) fails.
So in both movies, the villain of the story manages to kick the Klingons' a**es. If only the Klingons took off those darn helmets they might be able to see their surroundings. I wonder if that's still an attempt to hide the head ridges having ridges will kind of break the "parallel" reality take.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
It really boggles my mind that every Trek Fan accepts the Mirror Universe without batting an eyelash and also enjoy stories like TNG's "Parallels" but still want to don leiderhosen and raise torches and pitch forks over the JJ Trek 'Verse claiming it erased the original instead of just considering it to be one more universe in a multiverse of Trek.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)
If you read the articles regarding the IDW comics for Star Trek, the comics will be leading up to the second movie and Bob has said in July that both the comics and the games are canon. To top it all off, they even announced a direct 'prequel' comic in the lines of Star Trek Countdown.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
I always felt the comics were more for the hardcore fans to have a little something extra over the passing fan or the bland movie goer who just want to see a film and not get beaten over the head with backstory. As for us Trekkies...let the beatings commence because I like having that little something extra.
To be fair, the film doesn't present any tangible evidence that it wasn't erased. Just some 'out of no where' theory that Spock comes up with even though if it wasn't an alternate reality, they would still be stuck in the same problem. And the story doesn't really treat it as an alternate reality either, since Nero and Spock entered the black hole (Pspsps) at different points and different times. If going into an alternate reality is a key ingredient, why doesn't Spock go to a different reality than the one Nero ended up in?
I guess the only real way to prove that the prime reality is still there is to show something from one reality visiting another, with the differences between the two being readily apparent and recognizable.
But for me, when it comes to the multi-universe depictions of Star Trek, having the only assurance of the prime reality still existing be "You'll just have to take our word for it" is not the most assuring answer.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
The beauty of any fiction franchise is you can pic and choose what you want as long as it is either considered extended universe or "fuzzy canon" where it was seen on screen but not developed enough on-screen to make complete sense (see also Doctor Who) so if you want it to be yet another quantum expression of the proposed timeline (a la the Mirror Universe, the Starfleet Battles Universe, the Star Trek Online Universe, any of the alternate universes shown in any of the shows, etc) instead of an erasure and over-write then where stands the problem?
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