Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)

[NakedMoleRat]

This is Scotty we're talking about here. He can take on any Apple operating systems from the 80s and get it to revolutionize window technology.

But not for another 25 years.....acording to the new time-line.

 

[Jay1138]

Looking forward to the Dlx Bluray giftset from Amazon in a few days. Hope this version of the dvd lucks out with some good extras although I know Paramount has divided what should be all inclusive extras.

 

[Riceball]

Scotty was able to use this equation into the Enterprise's Transporters during the assault on the Narada. The only way that Starfleet could take it away was to remove the transporter completely. Or is the film seriously suggesting that Starfleet went out of it's way to re-design every transporter device in every ship, station and planet so that it would never be able to use this equation at all? This equation was used to save the entire Federation. Whatever accidents that occurred due to use of this device could easily be worked out since this was 24th century technology being used with 23rd century components. You could evacuate whole planets with this technology, never having to worry about the distance or speed of either the source or destination. And since Starfleet will no longer be weaponized anymore, there should be no "Some hidden starfleet group wants to use it as a weapon" excuse anymore.

It's really simple actually, they erase the equation from the Enterprise's transporters and confiscate anything data storage device that Scotty might have had the equation on. It's not like this equation is as simple as 1 + 1 = 2 that he can just simply memorize, the equation would have been something very long and very complex, too long & complex for a human to have memorized, even Scotty. Sure, over time Scotty could reassemble the equation but that would take time and given his responsibilities as Chief Engineer of the Enterprise he's not going to have a whole lot of spare time to re-write complex equations.

This is Scotty we're talking about here. He can take on any Apple operating systems from the 80s and get it to revolutionize window technology.

But you're forgetting, this Scotty never did that or hasn't done it yet and given the changes in the timeline, possibly never will. But then again, if JJ directs any more Trek & Lindeloff is part of the writing team it's entirely possible that we'll see elements of ST IV in a future JJ Trek movie.

 

[Jeyl]

It's not like this equation is as simple as 1 + 1 = 2 that he can just simply memorize, the equation would have been something very long and very complex, too long & complex for a human to have memorized, even Scotty.

So how did he get it to work on the Enterprise?

 

[Riceball]

So how did he get it to work on the Enterprise?

Simple, he brought it over on the Star Trek equivalent of a USB thumb drive and uploaded it to the Enterprise's transporters.

 

[Robinson]

So how did he get it to work on the Enterprise?

he didnt.

the only time the transwarp was used was to get them from the ice planet hoth onto the enterprise. he used normal transporter to get them onto the narada

the equation would have been something very long and very complex, too long & complex for a human to have memorized, even Scotty

however the half human spock did memorize it.

 

[seelsa73]

It was far from brilliant, that's for sure. I'd argue it's actually quite a forgettable flick.

I was talking about the way they handled the timeline, not the film itself, although I very much disagree with you on that. But film is subjective - a masterpiece to one is a crapfest to another. Much of America and a majority of critics enjoyed it very much and RPF patrons lean more towards the middle or less. To each their own.

 

[Jeyl]

the only time the transwarp was used was to get them from the ice planet hoth onto the enterprise. he used normal transporter to get them onto the narada

The distance between Titan and Earth is well beyond the established Transporter range that this movie established earlier. Note how earlier in the film that when Spock begins his rescue mission, he specifically orders the Enterprise to remain in standard orbit while he beams down to the surface.

Spock: Alert Vulcan command center to signal a planetwide evacuation on all channels, all frequencies. Maintain standard orbit. ​

And later,

Bridge Officer: The black hole's expanding. We won't reach minimum safe distance if we don't leave immediately.​

If the Enterprise's normal transporter can work from a much farther distance away from the planet, why did Spock give the order to remain in orbit when the Enterprise is in danger? They could have gone all the way to Delta Vega and beam Spock and the council out.

Another point that emphasizes that the Transwarp equation was being used is when Kirk and Spock beam over to the Narada. At this point in the story, the transporter room already had an assigned transporter chief who got pushed out of the way by Chekov who could lock on to moving targets better, but now he's back on the bridge. So if normal transporters were to be used, the transporter chief should be the one handling it. But that's not the case since Scotty is at the console. Why? Because neither the transporter chief nor Chekov knows about the transwarp equation! And what does the Transwarp do that normal transporters can't? Beam people further away.

 

[Robinson]

your just speculating tho.


many times in all of trek the engineer handled transporter duty. from scotty all the way to laforge.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

I took it as the simplest explanation. "Confiscated" in this case meaning they took the equation and made it classified forbidding Scotty to do anything with it on pain of court marshal.

 

[igs]

I personally liked the film & enjoyed it for it's "face value" if I look too deep into all the tech stuff none of it would make any sense really.

 

[Jeyl]

I took it as the simplest explanation. "Confiscated" in this case meaning they took the equation and made it classified forbidding Scotty to do anything with it on pain of court marshal.

When you make a stupidly overpowered plot device that can render your entire setting obsolete, using a stupid explanation on why you can't use it isn't doing your story any services. Starfleet should be implementing this technology on every ship, every star base, every planet and anything that is capable of using a transporter. Where is this basis that using this technology is so dangerous that it is better for everyone onboard a starship to die rather than using it to transport to a safe location? Outside of that little hiccup when using a rusty, out of commission shuttle craft with transporters more than 120 years older than the equation to beam onto the Enterprise which was at warp, this Transwarp Beaming technology has so far been responsible for... *checks the statistics* zero deaths.

Regardless of the explanation, the transwarp beaming was just a stupid idea from the start.

 

[Robinson]

*checks the statistics* zero deaths.

Admiral Archers Dog. The most important statistic

 

[Jeyl]

Admiral Archers Dog. The most important statistic

Fate still unknown. And if you count the writers of the film's saying that their comics are canon, the Beagle appeared on the transporter pad just fine.

 

[Riceball]

When you make a stupidly overpowered plot device that can render your entire setting obsolete, using a stupid explanation on why you can't use it isn't doing your story any services. Starfleet should be implementing this technology on every ship, every star base, every planet and anything that is capable of using a transporter. Where is this basis that using this technology is so dangerous that it is better for everyone onboard a starship to die rather than using it to transport to a safe location? Outside of that little hiccup when using a rusty, out of commission shuttle craft with transporters more than 120 years older than the equation to beam onto the Enterprise which was at warp, this Transwarp Beaming technology has so far been responsible for... *checks the statistics* zero deaths.

Regardless of the explanation, the transwarp beaming was just a stupid idea from the start.

It's not really that bad, sometimes military brass and let's face it, Starfleet is basically the Federation's military, can be really dense at times. Sometimes they try to field weapons that are widely impractical like a nuclear bazooka or they try to bury new tech that they either don't understand or are too afraid to use for fear of it getting into the hands to the enemy. Granted that I can't come up with a case of where the military, anybody's military, has purposely buried potentially very useful tech for fear of it getting into the wrong hands but I can certainly believe that it has happened.

 

[SmilingOtter]

(Court martial.)

 

[NakedMoleRat]

It could have been, STSB.....first one to figure it out wins nothing.

 

[Vivek]

The Daily Dot - 'Star Trek Into Darkness' writer: If you don't like it, pitch a better movie
Oh dear, he had to go in that direction.

BTW searching on that Trekmovie page article with the keyword "boborci -" will show you every comment made by Roberto Orci.

 

[SSgt Burton]

Well... isn't this going to be fodder for another 50 pages. :rolleyes


Kevin

 

[SSgt Burton]

Well I tried that seach for "boborci"s comments...

And came across this instead:
(For those who are in the "too long; didn't read" camp- skip ahead to the bold last paragraph)

862. Thomas - September 4, 2013

Star Trek is not broken. It is the Fans who are broken.

I’m not trying to be insulting or anything but it’s pretty clear that the Fans have been divided long before J.J. Abrams ever made a Star Trek movie. There are those Fans who think Star Trek Enterprise is complete garbage or Star Trek Voyager is a total joke and they have every right to because everyone has a right to an opinion. It’s just too bad it can’t remain as a simple opinion.

The problem here is that people take their opinion and treat it as absolute fact. If someone says they liked Star Trek Enterprise then chances are some other Fan will laugh and insult that person. The person who doesn’t like Enterprise will look down on the Fan who does and probably come to the conclusion that the Enterprise Fan isn’t a “real” Star Trek Fan and Star Trek Enterprise isn’t “real” Star Trek.

That is a complete load. You have the right to not like Enterprise, Voyager or any other spin off series that might come to life, but you don’t have to be an ass. I’m sick and tired of this inane superiority complex a lot of Fans are spewing as of late. Everyone interprets Star Trek differently and you shouldn’t criticize people for liking something that you personally don’t.

Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations

All the Star Trek series and movies offer something different. Philosophy, Comedy, Action, etc. There is always something for someone. In some cases a series, episode or movie will focus on one theme more than the other and I personally think that’s ok. People say Into Darkness didn’t have enough “Trek” in Star Trek but what kind of “Trek” was in everybody’s favorite Wrath of Khan?

Star Trek The Motion Picture involved the crew of the Enterprise encountering a mysterious sentient super being and their attempt to learn where it came from and specifically what motivates it. Fans thought it was absolutely boring. So here comes Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. A nifty movie with a villain out for revenge which ends with a cool submarine style space battle. Looks like in this case action won out over “seek out new life”.

I suppose TWoK is more of a philosophical journey, specifically a man coping with the fact he is growing old and a new generation will soon replace him. It’s kind of ironic that that is considered the best Star Trek, yet the Fans don’t realize that the theme of that movie draws direct parallels with their own Fanbase. News flash: You’re Old. Again, I’m not trying to be insulting but the fact of the matter is Star Trek is some 47 years old. In order for it to remain relevant it needed a shot of adrenaline to attract the younger crowed or “Next Generation” of Fans.

New Fans have probably never seen TWoK so when they saw Into Darkness they were introduced to Khan for the first time. They also didn’t know the death scene was a recreation of the one from TWoK. That was probably the point of all of that. It was supposed to be an homage to the original, one that the old Fans would recognize and appreciate while simultaneously introducing the new Fans to the themes and emotions of the original. Why is that such a bad thing?

Personally I love ALL Star Trek. I can sit down and watch any of the movies and that includes Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. I can see why it’s not the best movie in the universe but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. I’m also currently in the process of re-watching Star Trek Enterprise and I’m absolutely loving it. Some hate the show with a passion but I don’t care. I like it and that doesn’t make me any less of a Star Trek fan than the haters. I also love Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek Into Darkness. They are, in my opinion, great movies.

Everyone’s opinion is different. The sooner some people learn that the better life will be. So you didn’t personally like this movie or TV show. Ok fine, but stop crying online and telling everyone that your interpretation of Star Trek is better than someone elses. Stop trying to say Star Trek is “broken” because it didn’t meet YOUR expectations. Star Trek has many things to offer and different movies and shows will appeal to many different people. Let the fans enjoy this series while it lasts. In a few years it will change into something else and maybe you’ll enjoy that. Maybe you won’t. That’s life and you’re just going to have to accept the fact that things change.

Kevin