Not blood though, Genesis... And equally improbable. :lol
Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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Not blood though, Genesis... And equally improbable. :lol
Flop, no.
Disappointing, yes. Projections were for 650+ million worldwide box office. Paramount did heavy research into trying to craft a Star Trek movie that would resonate with world wide audiences. World wide projections were for 400 million. Domestic is sort of close to projection which was 250+ million.
Zombie_61
Master Member
:lol
I meant the style of show, not the animation style.
those are awesome BTW!
I meant the style of show, not the animation style.
those are awesome BTW!
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I so want this movie now!
Zombie_61
Master Member
I thought so. They were done by cartoonist Phil Postma.
Don't forget when discussing intake to subtract budget and promotion - Studio starts paying attention after those hurdles are cleared.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
So then Star Trek:SROOE (Stupid Rehash Of Older Episodes) made about $38.00 so far. :lol
Funny I had resigned to ignoring this movie. My wife wanted to go, so we went. A few days later she wanted to go see it again. She went by herself, I stayed home and played angry birds.
Solo4114
Master Member
So, I'm gonna see this tonight. I rewatched the first one last night to kind of refresh my memory.
Two questions about the new one:
1.) Did they at least tone down the lens flare? I know this is JJ's hacktastic signature thing (at least for this series) but is it quite so overt in like EVERY FREAKING SCENE the way it was in the last one?
2.) Is Giacchino's score any better than the last one? Seriously, I think the last film's "score" was moer like a musical phrase simply repeated with different orchestration and at different tempos at different times. Occasionally they'd just play one note in steady repetition, gradually getting louder with each beat. I honestly found the crappy score more irritating and distracting than the lens flare, which I gradually and grudgingly got used to.
Two questions about the new one:
1.) Did they at least tone down the lens flare? I know this is JJ's hacktastic signature thing (at least for this series) but is it quite so overt in like EVERY FREAKING SCENE the way it was in the last one?
2.) Is Giacchino's score any better than the last one? Seriously, I think the last film's "score" was moer like a musical phrase simply repeated with different orchestration and at different tempos at different times. Occasionally they'd just play one note in steady repetition, gradually getting louder with each beat. I honestly found the crappy score more irritating and distracting than the lens flare, which I gradually and grudgingly got used to.
The score is pretty good, though I think it did a bit too much in conveying the mood. Like when the Vengeance appears, it's accompanied with a very intrusive "EVIL!" music that made me feel like the movie couldn't trust me enough to realize that this was an evil ship. Comparing it to the trailer where the ship comes out of warp without the music plays out much better.
I did like the "Earthbound and Down" track, especially the use of drums. And San Fran Hussle has a very nice homage to Amok Time's dueling theme.
I did like the "Earthbound and Down" track, especially the use of drums. And San Fran Hussle has a very nice homage to Amok Time's dueling theme.
Solo4114
Master Member
Good to hear. I'm not going in expecting much more than an entertaining sci-fi actioner with a Star Trek wrapper, but if those things are improved this go-around, it should be a much more enjoyable experience. I saw the film the first time on a plane, and I remember being annoyed then, too, but even on my big-screen in hi-def with surround sound....the score still irritated the hell out of me. Oddly, the lensflare, which bugged me more the first time I saw it, didn't really bother me as much. I noticed it in a few scenes where it seemed artificial and in-your-face, but otherwise it was tolerable. The score was not, though.
laserpistol76
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I thought the score, was pretty good as well. I liked the track with the Klingon music.
kialna
Sr Member
Kronos wartet js indeed a lovely track. I like the score a lot actually. Too bad 'ode to harrison' isn't on the score, because that one is amazing.
Ode to harrison was written because the composer was so impressed with Cumberbatch's performance. The track doesn't appear in the movie either. A shame, really.
Ode to harrison was written because the composer was so impressed with Cumberbatch's performance. The track doesn't appear in the movie either. A shame, really.
Lord Boron
Sr Member
The score was OK but really if you played it to me blind, I could not have told you if it was from this movie or the first one. Aside from the main theme it was lacking any real themes or melodies. (which is the unfortunate trend of action music these days)
The lens flares are still there. Slightly less but not much.
As for the score? Forgettable. I couldn't whistle you a tune from it aside from the new theme.
As for the score? Forgettable. I couldn't whistle you a tune from it aside from the new theme.
Solo4114
Master Member
So, saw this on Friday.
Overall, I quite enjoyed it. Certainly moreso than the first one. It had its flaws, but those flaws were nowhere near as grating to me as the first one. If someone else hasn't seen it yet and is dumb enough to come into this thread and read longer posts, allow me to say: Caveat lector.
Things I Liked:
The characterization. Perhaps it's because it's a sequel, but I felt like the characters were (A) more fleshed out, and (B) felt a lot more natural in this outing. The first film seemed like just sort of the most surface-level aspects of the Trek characters, and taken to an extreme, wrapped around otherwise generic Hollywood caricatures. In this film, the characters felt a lot more believable and fleshed out, as well as believably acted. As a result, the whole film felt more like a new take on Star Trek, rather than a generic Hollywood sci-fi action flick with a Star Trek wrapper.
The militarization of Starfleet. I think this is a good element to include, particularly insofar as it creates philosophical debates within the film universe (as opposed to outside it among the fans). Like, the fact that Starfleet was truly militarized is something on which people in the films remark. I think that sets up some interesting stuff that they could play with in the future -- namely SHOULD Starfleet be militarized, and why?
Benedict Cumberbatch as a major badass. I thought he did a terrific job. Also, his motivation and decisionmaking were a LOT clearer than Nero's in the last film. Nero was basically just insane and could've used a semester at the Vulcan Academy of Logic. "Dude. Your planet is ALIVE. You have a chance to ensure it's safety, and you don't have to blow up the universe to do it, you mad *******." This was just "I want my people, and we will rule the galaxy." Pretty straightforward, really. Plus, Nero felt like a "cheat." He's got a super-crazy self-repairing half-Borg ship with a red matter launcher and a drillbit that can cut through to a planet's core, and nothing can stop it. That was lame. The threat in Into Darkness seemed MUCH more believable.
The fact that they end with the five-year mission. Makes me hope the next film is more of an exploration thing -- which could still bring action and potential warfare into things.
Much reduced lens flare. Basically non-noticeable, except occasionally on the bridge.
More use of the crew as a whole instead of popping up to make sure they appeared.
John Chu as Sulu. LOVE him in this part, and he needs more serious roles.
A less annoying score. The last one had the Trek "theme" which is, frankly, boring and awful. It was also repeated ad nauseum, and drove me INSANE in the first one. This one had acceptable scoring. Nothing I can recall, but the Trek "theme" Giacchino developed was used far less often and thus the score simply faded into the background for me, as it does with most film. This is, in my opinion, a marked improvement. It was also effective at various moments to convey this or that bit of emotion.
The relationship between Kirk and Spock. I honestly believed they were friends this time around.
The new, less restrained Spock. I know it completely turns the concept of a Vulcan on its ear, but I actually think the writers have found a pretty good balance of a guy who's mostly buttoned-down and logical, but cannot at all control his feelings. Spock in the older stuff seemed to be entirely Vulcan with only passing reference made to his human half. In this, he seems genuinely caught between both sides of his personality. It is, frankly, a much more interesting characterization, and one of the few things I think is a solid 100% improvement on the original, although it does cost the new series the strong connection to the Vulcan culture that the original had.
And lastly, Noel Clarke getting screen time in a major Hollywood production. Good for you, Mickey!
Things I Didn't Really Like:
The single biggest gripe I have is the "nods" (read "ripoffs") of the older material. A lot of my specific complaints fall under this more general one, but I think the series has yet to find the right balance between nods to the original and standing on its own. This is why reboots/remakes are so damn difficult to do right unless they thoroughly outshine the original which, let's face it, this film series does not.
Khan is the badguy. SEEN IT. And while this version of Khan was impressive and enjoyable to watch, it still just felt like they ran out of ideas or felt "But it's the second film. We HAVE to do Khan."
The reactor-hands-on-glass-I'm-dying-"KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!" scene. Only BACKWARDS NOW!! YEAH!! :rolleyes The inherent dilemma of remakes strikes again. They couldn't include Khan in the film without doing this stuff. But by doing it, all they do is, frankly, invite invidious comparisons to a far better film. I'll get to that more in a minute. In the moment though, I was just saying "Oh COME ON" when it happened. It was just lame. Excuse me. LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!
The dodge around Kirk's "death." Saw it coming a mile away. Also, is Kirk, like, Super Kirk now? Or, I guess with the regenerative qualities, Kirkerine?
The fact that Khan was frozen. I doubt we've seen the last of him, and that in and of itself is SUPER lame. I love Benedict Cumberbatch, but we don't need to make Khan THE villain for the series like some Trek version of Blofeld or The Joker.
The fact that Khan's crew was entirely missing this time around. It would've been nice to see them, too, and the threat they created. Likewise, I think they could've established Khan more clearly as a serious threat due to his attitudes on genetic supremacy AND his capacity to actually carry out his plans. So, while Cumberbatch did a great job as a villain, I felt that the character of Khan himself was pretty thin.
Old Spock's next appearance, and bothering to prattle on about how he won't break the space time continuum, followed by him breaking the space-time continuum. I love Nemoy. I love his Spock. But let's just...let that go. I hope we've seen the last of him in the films, not because I don't love him as the character, but because every time he appears it's just callbacks to the old series. Plus, he has to make some big statement about not wanting to do EXACTLY WHAT HE KEEPS DOING.
Still, on the whole, I really liked the film, flaws and all. It also makes me think that JJ CAN do a decent take on Star Wars. It wouldn't be the Star Wars of old, but it'd be a lot closer than Trek got to its source material, and has the potential to be really entertaining.
Overall, I quite enjoyed it. Certainly moreso than the first one. It had its flaws, but those flaws were nowhere near as grating to me as the first one. If someone else hasn't seen it yet and is dumb enough to come into this thread and read longer posts, allow me to say: Caveat lector.
Things I Liked:
The characterization. Perhaps it's because it's a sequel, but I felt like the characters were (A) more fleshed out, and (B) felt a lot more natural in this outing. The first film seemed like just sort of the most surface-level aspects of the Trek characters, and taken to an extreme, wrapped around otherwise generic Hollywood caricatures. In this film, the characters felt a lot more believable and fleshed out, as well as believably acted. As a result, the whole film felt more like a new take on Star Trek, rather than a generic Hollywood sci-fi action flick with a Star Trek wrapper.
The militarization of Starfleet. I think this is a good element to include, particularly insofar as it creates philosophical debates within the film universe (as opposed to outside it among the fans). Like, the fact that Starfleet was truly militarized is something on which people in the films remark. I think that sets up some interesting stuff that they could play with in the future -- namely SHOULD Starfleet be militarized, and why?
Benedict Cumberbatch as a major badass. I thought he did a terrific job. Also, his motivation and decisionmaking were a LOT clearer than Nero's in the last film. Nero was basically just insane and could've used a semester at the Vulcan Academy of Logic. "Dude. Your planet is ALIVE. You have a chance to ensure it's safety, and you don't have to blow up the universe to do it, you mad *******." This was just "I want my people, and we will rule the galaxy." Pretty straightforward, really. Plus, Nero felt like a "cheat." He's got a super-crazy self-repairing half-Borg ship with a red matter launcher and a drillbit that can cut through to a planet's core, and nothing can stop it. That was lame. The threat in Into Darkness seemed MUCH more believable.
The fact that they end with the five-year mission. Makes me hope the next film is more of an exploration thing -- which could still bring action and potential warfare into things.
Much reduced lens flare. Basically non-noticeable, except occasionally on the bridge.
More use of the crew as a whole instead of popping up to make sure they appeared.
John Chu as Sulu. LOVE him in this part, and he needs more serious roles.
A less annoying score. The last one had the Trek "theme" which is, frankly, boring and awful. It was also repeated ad nauseum, and drove me INSANE in the first one. This one had acceptable scoring. Nothing I can recall, but the Trek "theme" Giacchino developed was used far less often and thus the score simply faded into the background for me, as it does with most film. This is, in my opinion, a marked improvement. It was also effective at various moments to convey this or that bit of emotion.
The relationship between Kirk and Spock. I honestly believed they were friends this time around.
The new, less restrained Spock. I know it completely turns the concept of a Vulcan on its ear, but I actually think the writers have found a pretty good balance of a guy who's mostly buttoned-down and logical, but cannot at all control his feelings. Spock in the older stuff seemed to be entirely Vulcan with only passing reference made to his human half. In this, he seems genuinely caught between both sides of his personality. It is, frankly, a much more interesting characterization, and one of the few things I think is a solid 100% improvement on the original, although it does cost the new series the strong connection to the Vulcan culture that the original had.
And lastly, Noel Clarke getting screen time in a major Hollywood production. Good for you, Mickey!
Things I Didn't Really Like:
The single biggest gripe I have is the "nods" (read "ripoffs") of the older material. A lot of my specific complaints fall under this more general one, but I think the series has yet to find the right balance between nods to the original and standing on its own. This is why reboots/remakes are so damn difficult to do right unless they thoroughly outshine the original which, let's face it, this film series does not.
Khan is the badguy. SEEN IT. And while this version of Khan was impressive and enjoyable to watch, it still just felt like they ran out of ideas or felt "But it's the second film. We HAVE to do Khan."
The reactor-hands-on-glass-I'm-dying-"KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!" scene. Only BACKWARDS NOW!! YEAH!! :rolleyes The inherent dilemma of remakes strikes again. They couldn't include Khan in the film without doing this stuff. But by doing it, all they do is, frankly, invite invidious comparisons to a far better film. I'll get to that more in a minute. In the moment though, I was just saying "Oh COME ON" when it happened. It was just lame. Excuse me. LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!
The dodge around Kirk's "death." Saw it coming a mile away. Also, is Kirk, like, Super Kirk now? Or, I guess with the regenerative qualities, Kirkerine?
The fact that Khan was frozen. I doubt we've seen the last of him, and that in and of itself is SUPER lame. I love Benedict Cumberbatch, but we don't need to make Khan THE villain for the series like some Trek version of Blofeld or The Joker.
The fact that Khan's crew was entirely missing this time around. It would've been nice to see them, too, and the threat they created. Likewise, I think they could've established Khan more clearly as a serious threat due to his attitudes on genetic supremacy AND his capacity to actually carry out his plans. So, while Cumberbatch did a great job as a villain, I felt that the character of Khan himself was pretty thin.
Old Spock's next appearance, and bothering to prattle on about how he won't break the space time continuum, followed by him breaking the space-time continuum. I love Nemoy. I love his Spock. But let's just...let that go. I hope we've seen the last of him in the films, not because I don't love him as the character, but because every time he appears it's just callbacks to the old series. Plus, he has to make some big statement about not wanting to do EXACTLY WHAT HE KEEPS DOING.
Still, on the whole, I really liked the film, flaws and all. It also makes me think that JJ CAN do a decent take on Star Wars. It wouldn't be the Star Wars of old, but it'd be a lot closer than Trek got to its source material, and has the potential to be really entertaining.
Good review. :thumbsup
laserpistol76
Well-Known Member
I kind of agree with that. It's not memorable, like some of the older Trek films, but its decent.
Solo4114
Master Member
For me, the real thing is that the score was nowhere near the distraction it was the last time. The score this time was serviceable, if not particularly memorable.
It's really a shame, though, that the Trek theme established in the first film is so lackluster. I really really dislike it, and because it's the "hook" for Trek now, it's a real drag whenever it shows up. I think they need to revisit it and come up with a better theme, honestly. I'm talking about the french-horn one that sounds like it might as well have been taken from a generic fantasy-themed video game from the late 90s.
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