Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)

Im glad I didnt watch the originals. As most die hard fans differ in opinion to mine. I loved the 2009 movie. And thought this one was even better. Like loaadddssss better. I just thought it was entertaining throughout. I didnt think too hard which is something I usually do but without old films to reference there was nothing for me to compare to. Most of my friends agree. And although they are more easily pleased. I often leave the cinema not enjoying films for various reasons.

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With regards to language and "violence," I think JJ Trek has been appropriately updated for the times.

I mean, let me put it this way, Danel Craig is a hell of a lot more physical than Sean Connery ever was, but nobody complains about how the Bond movies are "too violent" now. Conversely, if they put in a fight scene ala the Star Trek TV shows, it would have looked ridiculous. I mean, let's be honest, almost all of the hand to hand combat on any Star Trek TV show looked a lot like theatrical stage fighting (...because it was!). Star Trek has always had hand-to-hand combat, and I think that these scenes were appropriately shot for a contemporary film.

I take the point about Spock's use of force being against that character's nature, and I don't necessarily disagree. But at the same time, I think that this iteration of Spock fits in perfectly with this iteration of Star Trek. No, he's not the same, and that's kind of the point. Yes, you can ask why Spock seemed to show more concern over killing Khan than he did with Nero, but Khan didn't destroy his planet and kill his mother. Nero was a "war criminal" in Spock's own words.

And again, not to get too far into political discussion, but this is where I think Into Darkness does engender a discussion about our current state of affairs. We have a debate now about the use of law enforcement or military force to deal with international terrorism.

But I'm with Nicky, et al, this is NOT a "re-make" of WOK.
 
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Agreed with the thoughts about Khan not being needed. Loved the film, but that aspect felt rushed or thrown in to appease fans. Honestly, since these films are more along the lines of TOS time frame, throwing Khan in there felt to early. At least in the fact that some scenes were taken from WOK, which took place about 20 years later. If they had used a scene or two from the episode space seed where Khan first appeared, I would be more in line to say, ok you thought it through.

I guess my only complaint is bringing him in so early and using the reverse death scene. Don't get me wrong, I loved the scene and the thought of Kirk dying for the Enterprise is how his death should be, but again, it's only the 2nd film in the series.

Over all I enjoyed it a lot and liked it even more then the first. Just a few minor thoughts I suppose.
 
Not to mention in this timeline, Kirk took possesion of the Enterprise 8 years early. Spock was on board the Enterprise 11 years under Pike as XO. Kirk would have still been a 'Walking encyclopedia' at this time, as a lieutenant in Starfleet, not going from Cadet to Captain in one mission!

This is more of the Johnny English version of Star Trek, since all the other captains were killed by Nero, we'll have to give you the Enterprise.

Not to mention Checkov was 17 on the Enterprise in 2009. So, if we do the math...Kirk is 34 when he get's the Enterprise in the original timeline, Chekov comes on board a year after that and he is 22 years old, making Kirk 13 years older than him. So, in this timeline, Kirk gets the ship at 25 so Chekov would be 12 by the same scale, not 17. Somehow, Nero's interfering with the timeline forced Chekov's parent to concieve him 5 years earlier! Is that even possible? So, every egg of his mother's and sperm cell of his father's would have to be an exact DNA match month after month, year after year.....

My brain is now sore.....
 
Not to mention in this timeline, Kirk took possesion of the Enterprise 8 years early. Spock was on board the Enterprise 11 years under Pike as XO. Kirk would have still been a 'Walking encyclopedia' at this time, as a lieutenant in Starfleet, not going from Cadet to Captain in one mission!

Agreed. Like I said, I really enjoy JJ's take on the series, but some things just seem too rushed or out of order. This is why original stories in their entirety is best when rebooting something, even though they did the whole alternate time line thing to attempt to cover the issue. Having an alternate time line covers some issues, but not all. Seems like they use that as a catch all when it comes to questions as to why certain things happen when.

I have no issue with them using Khan, but they should have taken more from Space Seed episode then WOK which took place 20 years or so later.
 
I don't know who this guy is but he puts forth a very thoughtful review of the film on his blog...

The point I disagree with is where he says that the "reused" elements are used "to full effect."

The problem I have stems from the fact that the basic premise is actually pretty solid. I really liked the idea of an admiral freaking out and wanting to militarize Starfleet following the Nero incident. That opens up a whole HOST of story options. You've got the moral dilemma of what Starfleet stands for. You've got the notion that THIS could be the catalyst that creates the "mirror" universe (will it? Or will they avoid it?). And so on.

Lots of great ideas there that are NEW to Star Trek. And you can STILL have Kirk initially buy into it all when Pike is killed, so you still have plenty of options for fulfilling the Kirk / responsibility arc.

But then they had to go and throw Khan into the mix.

Oh, sure, sure... It's fun to see Cumberbatch chew the scenery and be a totally bad***, but ultimately what his character does to the story is create a distraction. And not a good one.

Look at this thread. How much discussion has been about the conspiracy aspect of the story and how much of it has been KHAAAAAAAAAAAN?

And as I said before, if you really examine the story that Abrams and Company were trying to tell, you can remove Khan from the equation and not only have a solid premise to hang your story from, but a leaner, cleaner, more coherent story, too.

When you have a complete character and plot points for that character that could be altered -- easily -- to eliminate said character and plot points, you are NOT using that character to "full effect." You've shoe horned that character in, hammered him down into the plot, all because it would be kind of "neat" to revisit him.

I'm not mad or upset that Khan was brought into the franchise so soon. I'm disappointed that his role in the film was unnecessary to the core premise.
 
Not to mention Checkov was 17 on the Enterprise in 2009. So, if we do the math...Kirk is 34 when he get's the Enterprise in the original timeline, Chekov comes on board a year after that and he is 22 years old, making Kirk 13 years older than him. So, in this timeline, Kirk gets the ship at 25 so Chekov would be 12 by the same scale, not 17. Somehow, Nero's interfering with the timeline forced Chekov's parent to concieve him 5 years earlier! Is that even possible? So, every egg of his mother's and sperm cell of his father's would have to be an exact DNA match month after month, year after year.....

My brain is now sore.....

I try not to think about these things, which is difficult being a Trek fan and all... With these films I am just ignoring the whole Multiverse divergence plot point and watching it as a different Universe all together where names, places and events happen similarly but any huge timeline problems etc are handled by my brain as a change and not something which needs to be retconned (like the obsession which existed over the change in the look of the Klingons over the years)

I take the point about Spock's use of force being against that character's nature, and I don't necessarily disagree. But at the same time, I think that this iteration of Spock fits in perfectly with this iteration of Star Trek. No, he's not the same, and that's kind of the point. Yes, you can ask why Spock seemed to show more concern over killing Khan than he did with Nero, but Khan didn't destroy his planet and kill his mother. Nero was a "war criminal" in Spock's own words.

I agree, plus as his father said in the first film emotions run deed within their race, possibly even more than within humans ... I have never seen Vulcans as being unable to feel, they condition themselves to suppress their deep and powerful emotions from a young age (I imagine a Vulcan toddler would be a handful)... Spock let go of his emotions after a year of turmoil from the destruction of his homeworld, death of his mother and now of his closest and possibly only friend.

Maybe if they had written a more primal rage scream of angst people would still be complaining and some probably saying he should had screamed "KHHHHHAAAAANNNNN!"
 
Let's see, Transformers Revenge of the Fallen 20% approval rating, ST-ITD 89%... Yep, same thing. :/

Audience and critical reaction tells a very different story from the one you and others are attempting to advance. It's fine to not like it, but to call it stupid is, well, kind of stupid.

sorry, but Into the Darkness IS stupid.

I don't care what the tomato meter says, or meta critic, or any critic.

The simple fact is, NOTHING in that movie holds up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

The first five minutes has more logic holes than you can shake a stick at. Having a bunch of stuff happen in a sequence, isn't the same as a plot.

When people come down from the adrenaline rush after seeing it the first time, and see it again on DVD or cable or Netflix or whatever, the shine of the set pieces and action sequences will wear off, and the glaring stupidity of the "story" will shine through.

(Just like they did with the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones)

Easily the weakest Star Trek film.
 
Why ?Star Trek Into Darkness? Is Smaller Than Life - Bloomberg

Adrenaline, Dysfunction

New York Times reviewer A.O. Scott captured the movie’s betrayal of Star Trek’s traditional culture when he observed that “Star Trek Into Darkness” is “essentially ‘The Office’ in space.”

While unfair to “The Office,” whose portrayal of the absurdities of a vacuous workplace with a bumbling staff is much funnier than anything in the new Star Trek film, it’s an astute comparison. Instead of effective teamwork, the movie gives us adrenaline and forced humor, with characters who seem barely able to do their jobs or get along. Caught up in a dysfunctional workplace romance, Spock and Uhura snipe at each other. Chekov fumbles about cluelessly trying to fix the engines. Dr. McCoy muffs an assignment to defuse a bomb. Scotty runs around shouting.

The script talks about the crew as “family” but doesn’t show the problem-solving that generates loyalty and respect. Irritation rules. And Captain Kirk seems to have gotten his job not by demonstrating command skills over an extended career but by having the right connections.

“The movie attempts to address the issue of Kirk basically being a frat boy in the captain’s chair, but even then, after getting demoted to cadet, he gets promoted to first officer and then captain in about ten minutes,” writes Treknobabble blogger Kevin Curran, a Chicago lawyer. This arbitrary promotion “makes it seem like Starfleet is a crazy and or stupid place.”
 
What's the future of Star Trek after Darkness?

Good points all around. I especially liked it when she discussed how everyone was hoping that Star Trek Into Darkness would be to their reboot movie in the same way that The Dark Knight was to the rebooted Batman Begins. STID does take a lot of familiar steps in the form of using their most iconic villain for the main villain, having a powerful good guy turn into a bad guy by the film's end, even sharing the same fates as to who lives and who dies. Heck, even the title "Into Darkness" seemed like an obvious cash in on movies with "DARK" in the title.

And who could argue against the idea of Star Trek coming back to television again?
 
sorry, but Into the Darkness IS stupid.

I don't care what the tomato meter says, or meta critic, or any critic.

The simple fact is, NOTHING in that movie holds up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

The first five minutes has more logic holes than you can shake a stick at. Having a bunch of stuff happen in a sequence, isn't the same as a plot.

When people come down from the adrenaline rush after seeing it the first time, and see it again on DVD or cable or Netflix or whatever, the shine of the set pieces and action sequences will wear off, and the glaring stupidity of the "story" will shine through.

(Just like they did with the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones)

Easily the weakest Star Trek film.

According to you. And with the gems of ST V, Nemesis, and Insurrection the worst Trek film are in the review mirror.
 
you can hate on ST V all you'd like, at least what takes place in the film makes sense...
It had a promising premise that fell apart. But it had some great character moments, and it had some well executed sequences.

All of the Next Gen movies were bad. Mostly because they ignored their own characters, and continuity, while the exact same continuity was still being established on television.

Seeing as you're such a great supporter of this film, and fail to see the gaping plot holes and logic fails throughout the nu-Trek, explain what happens in the film, and let's see how that holds up.
 
I can't take credit for this but for the sake of expediency, here you go.

The Botany Bay is found by Starfleet in the vast reaches of space.

Admiral Marcus, the head of Starfleet, awakens Khan to have him assist Section 31 in the secret creation of ships and weapons, preparing for whichever enemy the Federation may face next. The John Harrison alias is created to conceal Khan’s identity.

Harrison bides his time, working for Marcus. He designs new long range torpedoes, inside of which he smuggles his crew; hoping to be able to escape and then begin taking over the galaxy. Harrison may work with Marcus but he always has his own agenda throughout the film.

Admiral Marcus finds out that Harrison has hidden his crew in the torpedoes (This is where Harrison begins to go off the rails for Marcus, until then everything has been according to their plan. Harrison begins enact his own plans at this point while still following most of what Marcus and he had laid out.)

Meanwhile, the Enterprise crew is on a surveying mission. A volcano is going to destroy the planet and, in the process, a primitive society. Spock has created a cold fusion device that, when detonated, will render the volcano inert. As Spock lowers into the volcano, Kirk has stolen an item the primitives worship in order to lead them out of the volcano’s kill zone. He and Bones escape by jumping off a cliff into the sea where the Enterprise is hidden. Spock has been abandoned by Sulu and Uhura because the shuttlecraft they are in has been disabled by the volcano’s ash. Spock sets the device to go off and Kirk rescues Spock, an action that violates the Prime Directive since the natives see the Enterprise rise out of the ocean on its way to save Spock.

Marcus wants a war with the Klingons, so he has Harrison attack London. Harrison convinces a desperate Section 31 officer, whose daughter is dying of an incurable disease, to bomb a secret Section 31 base in London. In return, Harrison gives the officer a cure for the dying girl. Harrison has himself identified as the main villain.

Harrison allows himself to be photographed leaving the scene of the crime.

Kirk has the Enterprise taken away from him, because of his hubris. Pike is given back the Enterprise and fights to have Kirk made his first officer. (Marcus convened the meeting that Pike could not be at, this is part of his plan.)

The bombing puts Starfleet on high alert and protocol requires that all senior staff, captains and first officers of Starfleet’s closest ships, meet at Starfleet HQ.

Harrison attacks Starfleet HQ because this leaves Marcus fully in charge of Starfleet (Khan’s ship was scanning people before shooting them so only the people Marcus wanted dead would be killed, like Pike, who would stand against Marcus in his warmongering. This is also the reason Kirk was busted down to first officer, Harrison was scanning and killing captains and other admirals. Those left would be the one’s Marcus though he could control).

Harrison beams to Kronos. Harrison would seem to be in league with the Klingons and Marcus would get his war. Harrison is using Marcus and Marcus is using Harrison. For Harrison this gets his people away from Marcus and gives him a chance to save them.

Kirk, Scotty and Spock find that Harrison is not on Earth anymore but on Kronos because the are suppose too.

Admiral Marcus says that he does not want Kirk to go capture Harrison; instead, he gives Kirk 72 torpedoes that only Marcus knows contains Harrison’s crew. Once these are shot at Harrison from the Neutral Zone, two of Marcus’ problems will be eliminated in one fell swoop. Kirk is given back the Enterprise (thinking Kirk will be someone he can control easily now that Pike is dead. When Marcus says that Pike’s blood is on his hands he means literally). Kirk is a pawn in Marcus’ plan to start a war with the Klingons. Kirk will fire the torpedoes at the Klingons, the Klingons would go looking for the perpetrator. Unbeknownst to the Enterprise crew, Admiral Marcus has the warp core sabotaged. The crippled Enterprise will have no choice but to fight back and the Klingon empire will be outraged. War will begin all because of Kirk, a renegade captain on a mission of vengeance. This is the reason that Marcus, when Kirk and Spock visit his office dismisses everyone else. This does not come from all of Starfleet, just Marcus. (These are all things that Harrison is well aware of; it is in the novelization)

Carol Marcus forges orders to get herself transferred to the Enterprise. She is a weapons expert and the daughter of the Admiral. She knows he is up to no good since all records of the torpedoes disappeared after she confronted her father about them and now they have resurfaced on the Enterprise.

Kirk, listening to the advice of Spock and Scotty (especially after Scotty leaves the Enterprise to protest the torpedoes that he is not allowed to inspect and therefore finds too dangerous to use) travels to Kronos to capture Harrison, instead of using the torpedoes to destroy him without standing trial.

Kirk has Sulu threaten Harrison with obliteration by the torpedoes if he does not come quietly with the landing party.

Harrison, hearing Sulu’s message knows he has been right about Kirk and Spock, they will not use the torpedoes. He then asks how many torpedoes Kirk has. At hearing the correct number and knowing they are the same torpedoes that harbor his crew, he surrenders to Kirk, and bides his time till he can find a way to save them. He is playing Kirk the whole time.

Kirk, Spock and Uhura return with Harrison to the Enterprise. Kirk tells Uhura to inform Starfleet that they have Harrison in custody and that they will return him to earth when the warp drive is fixed.
Harrison, in the Enterprise brig, tells Kirk to open the torpedo so he, Kirk can see why he, Harrison did what he did. He gives Kirk a set of coordinates and tells him there is something there that will verify that he is telling the truth.

Kirk contacts Scotty, who is on Earth, and asks him to search the coordinates Harrison has given him to see what is there.

Kirk has Carol Marcus and Bones open the torpedo. They find a cryogenic tube harboring a 300 year old man.

Kirk quizzes Harrison and finds out that he is Khan from a time long past who has been used by Admiral Marcus to create weapons for a coming war with the Klingons. Khan is also aware that the Enterprise has been sabotaged by Marcus. Khan knows what Marcus is planning: everyone’s death and a war with the Klingons. Again, this story is only half truths, Khan it playing Kirk to earn his trust.

Marcus shows up in the Vengeance. He tells Kirk that he made a mistake in waking up Khan and that he is only trying to rectify his mistake. He asks Kirk to give him Khan. Marcus even tells Kirk the truth that Khan is playing him.

Kirk, no longer trusting Marcus, warps to Earth in an attempt to escape and return Khan to face judgment. Kirk thinks that he will be safe at warp because Marcus will not be able to catch up. Carol Marcus is reminded by Khan that Kirk is not actually safe at warp because the Vengeance has a new, faster warp drive. Admiral Marcus will catch up and destroy the Enterprise.

Carol believes that Admiral Marcus will not destroy the Enterprise with her aboard, so she has Kirk allow her to contact her father.

At this point, both ships are near Earth’s moon because the Vengeance has knocked the Enterprise out of warp and heavily damaged it.

Admiral Marcus proves to be the villain and transports Carol to the Vengeance so that he can finish off the Enterprise. He plans to tell Starfleet that Kirk went rogue and joined with Khan and he had no choice but to end them both by destroying the Enterprise.

As the Vengeance powers up its weapons to level the final blow, it loses power.

Scotty contacts Kirk and tells him that he has stowed away on the Vengeance and disabled the ship for 3 minutes.

Kirk, knowing that they cannot destroy the Vengeance from the outside, asks Khan to space jump with him to the Vengeance so they can take it out from the inside (Kirk can only take minimal people and needs Khan knowledge of the ship and his physical prowess). The Vengeance has been created to be run by minimal crew and one person if needed. Khan now has the opening he has been planning for.

Scotty, Kirk, and Khan take over the Vengeance. Kirk, knowing he is being played by Khan, has instructed Scotty to stun Khan the moment they have taken over the bridge. Scotty does so but Khan, being genetically engineered has faked being stunned and very quickly and disarms Scotty, beats up Kirk, breaks Carol’s leg, and kills Admiral Marcus with his bare hands.

Khan contacts Spock and tells him to give him his crew, whom he still thinks are in the torpedoes, in exchange for Kirk, Scotty, and Carol.

Spock agrees to this. Unbeknownst to Khan, Spock has removed Khan’s crew from the torpedoes and activated them (the torpedoes) so that they’ll blow up in the Vengeance’s cargo bay (Khan underestimated both Kirk and Spock in his plans. Superior minds breed superior arrogance). This disables the weapons and major systems of the ship, but not before it’s knocked out the Enterprise’s warp core.

Powerless, the Enterprise tumbles towards Earth because it is close enough to be caught in its gravity.

Kirk and Scotty, who Khan has returned to the Enterprise, race towards engineering so (that) they can restart the warp core.

When they get to engineering, they find that the warp core is out of alignment and the only way to fix it is for someone to readjust it from the inside, sentencing that person to death from radiation poisoning.

Kirk knocks out Scotty and manages to save the Enterprise, but dies as Spock watches beyond the protective door.

Khan use the last bit of power in the Vengeance to ram the ship into Starfleet HQ, located in San Francisco.

Spock, realizing that Khan could survive the crash, has Sulu scan for lifesigns on the Vengeance and is then beamed down to Khan’s location.

A mad chase through San Francisco ensues till they end up on top of a transport where Spock tries to subdue Khan.

McCoy has Kirk in sickbay. As the crew visits his lifeless body, a dead Tribble that McCoy had earlier injected with Khan’s blood comes back to life. McCoy, realizing that Kirk can be saved, transfers Kirk to a cryotube to save his brain function. McCoy informs the bridge that Kirk can be saved if Khan is captured.

Uhura beams down to the transport where Spock is being beaten by Khan. She repeatedly stuns Khan which gives Spock enough time to tear off a piece of the transport and finally knock Khan out.

Kirk is saved and a year later the Enterprise is rechristened as it heads out on the first ever five year mission.
 
ST-V did make sense but actually was stupid. Nemesis had no heart or soul whatsoever, which I found very egregious.
 
you missed the point by copying and pasting someone elses synopsis.

I wanted YOU to actually have to think about the plot, and have you reconstruct the sequence of events.

The first Seven paragraphs of your borrowed synopsis never actually appeared in the film. It is out of sequence exposition, not revealed to the audience until the end of the second act, or beginning of the third, and then only in dashed off sloppy dialogue attempting to tie up all of the gaping plot holes

BUT... the fact that you couldn't write 10 sentences to explain the story, and had to find a two and a half page recounting of the blow by blow of the film only confirms what I already stated:
Having a bunch of stuff happen in a sequence, isn't a plot.

And none of it... from the five minute Prime Directive intro, where EVERYTHING that is happening is a violation of the Prime Directive, to the actual "story" can stand up to any scrutiny.

I think you've illustrated my point to perfection.

and P.S.
The Enterprise and Vengence are between the earth and the moon... and yet not one single other Federation Starship or vessel is anywhere to be seen?
 
I can't take credit for this but for the sake of expediency, here you go...

TL;DR ;)

It could be argued that if you have to take THAT long to explain the plot of a film, then it's failed. Which gets back to my earlier point that too much was thrown in. Had the film been just about either the Marcus plot to start a war OR Khan, it would have allowed for a much tighter and more coherent story.

By using the ol' shoe horn to wedge Khan into the story, they created a lot of plot issues -- if not outright holes, then at the very least elements that require more explanation than the film has time to give.

I think if I had to distill my dissatisfaction with the film to one concept, it's that it tries too hard.

(And don't get me wrong, despite my dissatisfaction, I still enjoyed quite a lot about it -- it's fun to watch, the actors really seem to be getting comfortable with the characters, and there are *some* aspects of the plot I was really into.)
 
quick example... using Star Trek V:

3 ambassadors (Romulan, Klingon, and Human) are kidnapped from Nimbus three by a Vulcan terrorist named Sybok. The Federation dispatches the Enterprise on a rescue mission, where the Enterprise is captured by Sybok, and his followers. It is revealed that Sybok is Spock's half-brother, and Sybok, using an ancient Vulcan discipline, attempts to control the captured crew of the Enterprise. He fails to control Kirk, but reaches a truce with Kirk to allow Sybok to finish his mission: to travel to the center of the Galaxy in search of Sha Ka Ree. When they arrive at Sha Ka Ree, they discover that it is not a holy being, but an imprissoned alien intelligence that has manipulated Sybok to free him. Sybok sacrifices himself, after seeing his folly, and allows Kirk, McCoy and Spock to escape, and destroy the alien menace.

One of the most convoluted plots in a Star Trek film, summed up in 6 sentences.

Try and to that with Into the Dumbness
 
Any plot can be summed up to any length, with varying degrees of accuracy to the work itself. Your little thought experiment says nothing about the films, comparatively. Neither does your observation that movements of the story occur off-screen. Writing is as much about choosing what not to show as it is about what to include. The greatest stories are like sea monsters snaking above the surface, with curves of its body submerged, left to the imagination.
 
Into Darkness takes place six months after the events in the first movie. That means in a span of six months time the Botany Bay is discovered, Khan is released, he learns twenty third century technologies (and is apparently better at designing warships than engineers schooled in this sort of thing). Marcus secretly scrapes together the resources and manpower to build a new ship after Khan helps design both it and new long range torpedoes, the USS Vengeance is built in a secret base in space along with the torpedoes, and Khan somehow and for some reason places his shipmates in these torpedoes. I guess even off screen events happen at an accelerated rate in this alternate timeline.

It had to take a little time to place 72 cryogenic containers into the torpedoes. If Khan had access to them why didn’t he just wake them up? If he used a transporter to place them in the torpedoes he could just as easily transported them to a field somewhere and then woken them up. I find it hard to believe that a man with a genetically enhanced superior intellect would not want to remove his one and only vulnerability as soon as possible.

If Marcus knew Khan had loaded his super friends into the torpedoes why didn't he just load the torpedoes into his new warship and launch them at the sun then call up the Klingon's and call them turtle heads or something? His plan is too convoluted to go smoothly and relies too much on Starfleet personnel ignoring the prime directive and their ethics.

Why didn’t Carol Marcus just go to Starfleet and say “I think my father is up to something!” No much better to sneak aboard the Enterprise. She's lucky Spock didn't load her into a pod and launch her onto a freezing cold planet like he did with the last person who snuck aboard the ship.

Why did Marcus think he could control Kirk? A young officer who has shown a total inability to be controlled?

"Harrison beams to Kronos. Harrison would seem to be in league with the Klingons and Marcus would get his war. Harrison is using Marcus and Marcus is using Harrison. For Harrison this gets his people away from Marcus and gives him a chance to save them."

How does Khan beaming to Kronos get his people away from Marcus and give him a chance to save them? That makes no sense. Marcus has the torpedoes and Khan is on Kronos even farther away from his friendcicles.
 
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