Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)

Solo4114 said:
Look, I don't know if you do this on purpose to irritate folks because you get your jollies that way. I'm inclined to think you don't.
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Actually, I think he does just that. Every now and then it comes through that even he knows he is just being a PITA. Doesn't make less irritating but every now and then lowers shields and can be very amusing, and in a good way as opposed to laughing at him way. He likes the attention.
 
Bryancd said:
Actually, I think he does just that. Every now and then it comes through that even he knows he is just being a PITA. Doesn't make less irritating but every now and then lowers shields and can be very amusing, and in a good way as opposed to laughing at him way. He likes the attention.
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I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I do hope I'm wrong, because I've noticed the more friendly style, too. That's actually why I think it's unintentional. If it isn't, then I'll just simply disengage altogether as I've done with a handful of others.
 
Jeyl said:
No, I'm just trying to figure out why a story where the only thing that happens is getting everything back to the way it was matters in the grand scheme of things. Unless the next movie makes some very big point about Khan or Pike's death, Star Trek Into Darkness feels like a completely skippable story. You could say that in the end of Trek09 that they were beginning their five-year mission into deep space, and they just happen to have Carol Marcus onboard as a new crew member. That is of course depending on if they bring her back. If they don't bring her back (and really, who's asking for that?), that makes skipping STID all the easier.



When dealing with sequels, I agree that films should try to be their own thing, and the Wrath of Khan certainly works even if you haven't seen Space Seed. Here's the difference though when it comes to Solo's argument. The Wrath of Khan wasn't trying to act as a different entity from TOS where everything that came before it didn't matter. The Wrath of Khan is a true, bona fide follow up to Space Seed and even acknowledges itself as such. And that's exactly how Trek09 portrayed itself as a true continuation of the Star Trek storyline. Trek09 is what happens after Nemesis. So how exactly is the argument that STID is a completely separate entity that doesn't reply on what came before it's direction is no different than the previous follow ups that came before it?
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I'll reserve comment until you respond to Solo/Dan's post above.

I too am quite tired of being quoted out of context and being led down your vortexes of circular logic.
 
jlee562 said:
I'll reserve comment until you respond to Solo/Dan's post above.

I too am quite tired of being quoted out of context and being led down your vortexes of circular logic.
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There's an idea. What would happen if we just stopped responding? :)
 


I hope to someday be able to take part in a discussion about a Star Trek movie again where criticism is not taken as negativity, hatred, or a disservice to the franchise and where Jeyl doesn't ignore everything everyone says and stays on his own bizarre course straight into Never Never Land. Ta-ta.
 
Solo4114 said:
But there's a reason why people across multiple threads respond to you in an antagonistic way: they're giving back what they perceive you to be offering to them.
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Have I ever called you a talentless hack? Have I ever said that your comments do this franchise a disservice? Have I ever recommended that you should stop posting here? Have I ever told you that you're just in the minority? That kind of stuff has been said to me many, many times. I think a lot of what's going on here is that folks feel antagonized when they deal with other folks who talk bad about the things that they like. And that's natural. A lot of folks posting here seem to like STID very much and they're happy when other fans who like the film talk condescendingly to me as evidenced by the simple flattering/gif responses.

But that's ok. I'm not going to berate anyone for liking the film. I'm just going to keep giving my opinion because that's what I like to do.

Solo4114 said:
There's an idea. What would happen if we just stopped responding?
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...You'd be falling my advice?
 
I don't have a problem with people criticizing STID or ST in general (or any film/franchise, really).

I do have problems with some people's specific criticisms which are selective/inconsistent, otherwise hypocritical, or in some cases, downright lazy.
 
Jeyl said:
Have I ever called you a talentless hack? Have I ever said that your comments do this franchise a disservice? Have I ever recommended that you should stop posting here? Have I ever told you that you're just in the minority? That kind of stuff has been said to me many, many times. I think a lot of what's going on here is that folks feel antagonized when they deal with other folks who talk bad about the things that they like. And that's natural. A lot of folks posting here seem to like STID very much and they're happy when other fans who like the film talk condescendingly to me as evidenced by the simple flattering/gif responses.

But that's ok. I'm not going to berate anyone for liking the film. I'm just going to keep giving my opinion because that's what I like to do.



...You'd be falling my advice?
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Ok, I tried. I'm done with you now. Have fun arguing in a vacuum.
 
Jeyl said:
Have I ever called you a talentless hack? Have I ever said that your comments do this franchise a disservice? Have I ever recommended that you should stop posting here? Have I ever told you that you're just in the minority? That kind of stuff has been said to me many, many times. I think a lot of what's going on here is that folks feel antagonized when they deal with other folks who talk bad about the things that they like. And that's natural. A lot of folks posting here seem to like STID very much and they're happy when other fans who like the film talk condescendingly to me as evidenced by the simple flattering/gif responses.

But that's ok. I'm not going to berate anyone for liking the film. I'm just going to keep giving my opinion because that's what I like to do.



...You'd be falling my advice?
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Hey, that was all me, the rest of these guys and gals have been very tolerant of you and your opinions. I was as well, at first, but your endless post quotes and dissection and non-sequiters lit a very short fuse for me in regards to you. I won't ignore you, however, I don't go quietly into the night. :)

(please don't quote me, please don't quote me)
 
Mola Rob said:
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I hope to someday be able to take part in a discussion about a Star Trek movie again where criticism is not taken as negativity, hatred, or a disservice to the franchise and where Jeyl doesn't ignore everything everyone says and stays on his own bizarre course straight into Never Never Land. Ta-ta.
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I should point out on page 16 of this thread I made a yeoman's effort to extend an olive branch to Jeyl, or Ted. I wanted to put a name and face behind the screen name and Tholian avatar. Go back and look. I figured if we knew each other better it would lead to a more civil and respectful discussion. I even posted a picture of me with my son. But within a few pages he began to be the same argumentative and frustrating personae he has seem to have embraced here on the RPF. But let it not be said I did not extend an olive branch, so your interpretation of what has transpired here needs better context.
 
Adenides said:
Greetings,

Not a big fan of Abrams. This was made to be humorous but it's also pretty accurate IMO.

Honest Trailers - Star Trek Into Darkness (feat. HISHE) - YouTube

Too bad I can't have Abrams deported off the planet for ruining my Trek.

-Peace-
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Trek doesn't belong to you, and JJ didn't "ruin" it anymore than A View to a Kill "ruined" Bond, or TPM "ruined" Star Wars.

If you really don't like the JJ films, fine, so be it, peace be with you. Just stop acting like you can't go back through the last 40+ years of Star Trek. Watch that and be content.

This is the kind of negativity which is in service to no one. It's not a cogent criticism of the film, it offers nothing constructive.
 
Why did Spock chase after Khan to get his blood when The Enterprise had 72 others with super blood

J
 
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