Some people just become excessively enamored with what they perceive as the beauty of their opinion.
Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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Some people just become excessively enamored with what they perceive as the beauty of their opinion.
Mola Rob
Sr Member
Well that would apply to many people on the forum and I don't have a problem with that. My problem is with certain people who, when their opinion is not taken as the ultimate truth resort to insults and name calling...very classy. Try to see the other point of view at least and drop the grade school mentality.
What I don't get is the inability of some to not fathom the main point of the conversation, instead seeing only little nuggets of information that they can use to try and turn the discussion in a certain directions until it resembles the same argument they have rambled about in a hundred other threads.
Mola Rob
Sr Member
Yes, but occasionally one needs to hone the fine art of snarky.
Agreed, but there are those who have zero finesse in that particular art. :lol
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Capn_Jack_Savvy
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Well I just watched STID in the comfort of my own home theater and have to give STID a second chance. Great movie but still with the exception of "My name is Khan!"
I give this movie a "mulligan" and hope the new director (JJ stated in Costco Connection that he would not direct ST3) and Damon Lindelof can pull off what was stated in the end of STID.....the 5-year mission begins! Characters have been established, we have already seen the Enterprise almost destroyed yet AGAIN (what is this now NCC-1701.3/4?), and the so called mission statement for the show has been set forth!
Let it begin! I look forward to ST3!
I give this movie a "mulligan" and hope the new director (JJ stated in Costco Connection that he would not direct ST3) and Damon Lindelof can pull off what was stated in the end of STID.....the 5-year mission begins! Characters have been established, we have already seen the Enterprise almost destroyed yet AGAIN (what is this now NCC-1701.3/4?), and the so called mission statement for the show has been set forth!
Let it begin! I look forward to ST3!
Yes. Leave the concept of the Enterprise starting it's five-year mission into deep space it in the hands of Damon Lindelof who said,
Damon Lindelof: “They’re in the 23rd century and these people are from Earth. The Earth needed to play more of a role in these movies, especially in the sense of giving the audience a degree of relatability. I think that in the same way that New York City becomes this anchor point for people in the Marvel movies; that’s Spidey’s stomping ground, that was the stomping ground for Tony Stark, that was the stomping ground for The Avengers, it’s New York. We wanted to do the same thing with Earth in the Star Trek movies.”
I guess we should be thankful that he's not a confirmed writer for the next film, though god only knows how much influence he has on everyone he works with.
kialna
Sr Member
Well, here I am. Posting a very very long rant about this thread and everything I’ve seen in it.
What saddens me about this complete thread is that the movie is being bashed. And if you like it, you’re either weird or stupid. No matter if you’re a trekkie for years, or just new. It is this certain elitism that makes me mad. And it’s not just Star Trek. It’s everywhere. Remember when the BBC announced their recent incarnation of Sherlock? Sherlock texting? Sherlock reading E-mails? People went mad and said that it would be a disgrace to the old canon. It aired and people loved it, but the die-hard Sherlockians hated the newcomers, because they didn’t know ANY canon. Some did, but they were a minority.
The same thing happens with Star Trek now. I happen to love the reboot and engaged me more into the Trek verse than before. Yes I have watched some old trek, but not all of it. It didn’t stick to my mind as much as star wars. And believe me, since the 2009 movie, there are new people coming into the fandom. And even more since Into Darkness. Cumberbatch’s fault? Maybe, but my Tumblr dashboard went from Into Darkness, to the original series. People who loved the movies are going back to the old series, including many of my friends and I am rediscovering it myself as wel. New fans are getting flack because they’re not ‘real’. Who are others to say if they are not real? People are learning the ‘real’ canon.
For as far as there is any. Since it’s fiction, there is NO reality to begin with. It’s not real, it’s fiction and we happen to love different interpretations of it. That does not mean we won’t go back to the first interpretation. The original work.
The Sherlockians that came into the fandom after Sherlock aired, went back to the books. Most of them have read all the books by now (I sadly don’t have the money to buy them, but when I can, I will). The fact remains that people are doing the same thing with Star Trek. And any other fandom.
I really hate how some people here and on trek conventions just can’t accept that the reboot is part of the franchise. You don’t need to like it, you don’t need to adore it, but it IS trek and there are FANS coming in who most of the time WILL go back and gladly watch the series with you you love so much. There’s so much hate hidden in the people who grew up with the ‘originals’ that they just can’t embrace the new people coming in. And for me, as someone who loved both the reboot movies, I just feel hated upon. I am watching the old series, together with some die-hard trekkies(who loved STiD btw) and yet, whenever I come back to this thread, no matter how much I try to avoid it, it’s just pure hate by purists who are purists of something that’s not even real. (no namecalling here)
My friend has all the encyclopedia’s of the Trek Verse. He knows everything, but he does not hate the reboot. He does not hate the new ‘naive’ fans. He loves the fact that people are getting into it. Discussions about starships dominate our dinners. HE KNOWS, despite having official encyclopedia’s, that it is not real, and therefore not bound to one intepretation.
I am a new Trekkie. I loved Into Darkness, and NO ONE can tell me I’m NOT A FAN of Star Trek. Because no fan is more real than the other, and this elitism that has shown here in this thread is sickening me. To put tiny details in the wrong context, or no context at all, is sometimes just purely nitpicking. I don’t care if you didn’t like the movie, but don’t tell others they are wrong on a opinion that’s solely yours.
This has been my opinion, and you are not bound to agree with it. Thank you for your consideration and now let me finish my Lady Khan costume from the Into Darkness version.
What saddens me about this complete thread is that the movie is being bashed. And if you like it, you’re either weird or stupid. No matter if you’re a trekkie for years, or just new. It is this certain elitism that makes me mad. And it’s not just Star Trek. It’s everywhere. Remember when the BBC announced their recent incarnation of Sherlock? Sherlock texting? Sherlock reading E-mails? People went mad and said that it would be a disgrace to the old canon. It aired and people loved it, but the die-hard Sherlockians hated the newcomers, because they didn’t know ANY canon. Some did, but they were a minority.
The same thing happens with Star Trek now. I happen to love the reboot and engaged me more into the Trek verse than before. Yes I have watched some old trek, but not all of it. It didn’t stick to my mind as much as star wars. And believe me, since the 2009 movie, there are new people coming into the fandom. And even more since Into Darkness. Cumberbatch’s fault? Maybe, but my Tumblr dashboard went from Into Darkness, to the original series. People who loved the movies are going back to the old series, including many of my friends and I am rediscovering it myself as wel. New fans are getting flack because they’re not ‘real’. Who are others to say if they are not real? People are learning the ‘real’ canon.
For as far as there is any. Since it’s fiction, there is NO reality to begin with. It’s not real, it’s fiction and we happen to love different interpretations of it. That does not mean we won’t go back to the first interpretation. The original work.
The Sherlockians that came into the fandom after Sherlock aired, went back to the books. Most of them have read all the books by now (I sadly don’t have the money to buy them, but when I can, I will). The fact remains that people are doing the same thing with Star Trek. And any other fandom.
I really hate how some people here and on trek conventions just can’t accept that the reboot is part of the franchise. You don’t need to like it, you don’t need to adore it, but it IS trek and there are FANS coming in who most of the time WILL go back and gladly watch the series with you you love so much. There’s so much hate hidden in the people who grew up with the ‘originals’ that they just can’t embrace the new people coming in. And for me, as someone who loved both the reboot movies, I just feel hated upon. I am watching the old series, together with some die-hard trekkies(who loved STiD btw) and yet, whenever I come back to this thread, no matter how much I try to avoid it, it’s just pure hate by purists who are purists of something that’s not even real. (no namecalling here)
My friend has all the encyclopedia’s of the Trek Verse. He knows everything, but he does not hate the reboot. He does not hate the new ‘naive’ fans. He loves the fact that people are getting into it. Discussions about starships dominate our dinners. HE KNOWS, despite having official encyclopedia’s, that it is not real, and therefore not bound to one intepretation.
I am a new Trekkie. I loved Into Darkness, and NO ONE can tell me I’m NOT A FAN of Star Trek. Because no fan is more real than the other, and this elitism that has shown here in this thread is sickening me. To put tiny details in the wrong context, or no context at all, is sometimes just purely nitpicking. I don’t care if you didn’t like the movie, but don’t tell others they are wrong on a opinion that’s solely yours.
This has been my opinion, and you are not bound to agree with it. Thank you for your consideration and now let me finish my Lady Khan costume from the Into Darkness version.
SSgt Burton
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You, Ma'am are my new hero! :thumbsup
Kevin
Lost21stJedi
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Mola Rob
Sr Member
On the flip side if you didn't enjoy the movie or only liked it as silly entertainment and are not totally enthralled by it you're also weird or stupid.
And don't tell others who didn't think it's the best Trek movie ever they're wrong based on their opinion. Works both ways people. Stop being so defensive if someone doesn't share your opinion.
kialna
Sr Member
That wasn't really the point of what I was saying, and I understand what you're pointing at. I just really felt the last dozen pages were...mind blowing, if I can say that.
Edit: what I am saying is; Everyone has their own opinion, and both sides got defensive. Which is unneccesary. I enjoyed it, others didn't.
I only got defensive, because I got really tired of the old arguments that were re-used or re-arranged to prove something so little, it barely mattered. It became a nitpicking fight. Maybe it would be better if this thread would be closed so this endless circle can come to an end.
But the latter, is again my opinion
Edit: what I am saying is; Everyone has their own opinion, and both sides got defensive. Which is unneccesary. I enjoyed it, others didn't.
I only got defensive, because I got really tired of the old arguments that were re-used or re-arranged to prove something so little, it barely mattered. It became a nitpicking fight. Maybe it would be better if this thread would be closed so this endless circle can come to an end.
But the latter, is again my opinion
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Mola Rob
Sr Member
That wasn't really the point of what I was saying, and I understand what you're pointing at. I just really felt the last dozen pages were...mind blowing, if I can say that.
Edit: what I am saying is; Everyone has their own opinion, and both sides got defensive. Which is unneccesary. I enjoyed it, others didn't.
I only got defensive, because I got really tired of the old arguments that were re-used or re-arranged to prove something so little, it barely mattered. It became a nitpicking fight. Maybe it would be better if this thread would be closed so this endless circle can come to an end.
But the latter, is again my opinion
I agree it's a lot of nitpicking on both sides but sometimes that is the only way to batter down the defensive's and get a point across on this site.
Whether you loved the movie, hated it, or fall somewhere in between (which is where I have entrenched myself) there is often a complete lack of effort to understand another point of view and get past that manly man (or womanly woman) attitude of an opinion always being the correct.
I actually don't care whether someone enjoys the movie or not I just like talking about Trek and find this thread highly interesting from a psychological perspective. I like to jump in now and then and throw a monkey wrench into the proceedings and try to get people to see the view from the other side, or in my case the middle.
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The fact alone that she is a new Trek fan brought into our fandom because of these films is really what matters and why the negativity isn't helpful in expanding the franchise. It's fine to not enjoy the film but to constantly be negative towards in in this thread is a disservice to the franchise, and that's what has happened here, nothing more, nothing less.
This is art, so it is totally subjective. What is not subjective is that it's fine to share a dissenting view, but to constantly be a source of negativity is a bad bit of karma. I think it is more beholding on those who are being negative to reign it in and not continuously try and crap on something others are deriving enjoyment from.
This is art, so it is totally subjective. What is not subjective is that it's fine to share a dissenting view, but to constantly be a source of negativity is a bad bit of karma. I think it is more beholding on those who are being negative to reign it in and not continuously try and crap on something others are deriving enjoyment from.
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greatwazoo42
Master Member
Geeze, I leave to go get more popcorn not only do I miss someone starting to make sense but everyone flocking to her side! Bravo, Dear Lady, bravo!
Bravo, Dear Lady, bravo!
nickytea
Master Member
Forgiving the fact that your comment sounds like you don't respect anyone's opinion if they don't like what you like, do you really want to stick to the idea that people who don't a Star Trek movie and discuss it on the internet can cause harm to the whole franchise? I have yet to see a single news report where a movie is green lit or shot down based on some comments from an internet forum. If bad talking a franchise on the internet had any effect at all, we wouldn't have gotten the last Transformers movie, the Twilight sequels or the Saw sequels. I really, really doubt anything I've said here on the RPF will have any impact on a future Star Trek movie made by Bad Robot.
The only thing that hurts this franchise is not spending any money on it. Thankfully, there are several different ways fans can support this franchise that doesn't just involve JJ's movies. I've been buying all the new BluRay discs of TNG (Including the single disc BluRays) that have been coming out, I've purchased several electronic ship models from Diamond Select, the Star Trek Titanium Alloy Spork and even the Enterprise Pizza Cutter. Yet despite everything being paid in full, even a full price ticket in order to see STID in the theater, I'm being labeled as someone who is doing a disservice to the franchise for talking negatively about STID. You're welcome.
And kialna, there is nothing in what you said that makes me think you don't deserve to be a Trekkie. I understand exactly where you're coming from and I would not direct any hate towards you as a person or as a fan. There is literally NOTHING in that long post that bothered me. And I know it's easy to see someone like me as a fan who thinks that everything Star Trek before Trek09 should be sacred, but I'm not. I'm a Trekkie who is not afraid to admit that I hate about HALF of all things Star Trek. There are things in TOS that I hate, there are a lot of things in TNG that I hate, there are movies that I hate overall and there are even things in DS9, my favorite Star Trek series, that I hate. Yet I still regard Star Trek to be one of my all time favorite franchises out there. The whole universe has so much potential to really be something great that even with all the bad episodes, movies and technobabble, it's still there. I'll even say that potential is in this new take, even though it's stuck with writers who are probably bound by Box Office law to not go anywhere near it.
Well, when you look at the BluRay menu in a certain way, Kirk and Khan are kind of trapped in an endless loop, forced to avoid space debris all while seeing visions of moments that take place both before and after the space jump scene. Looks like we got that sequel to "Cause and Effect" after all.
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