star trek enterprise - fifteen years later

[MrSouthpaw]

I think time travel, in Trek, is best done in well-contained doses. Like the occasional episode or even a movie.

Gets messy when you have to start spreading it out over a whole season, hours and hours of episodes. Increases the chances of messing up the continuity of the story.

 

[KrangPrime]

You're probably thinking of Tucker Smallwood. James Avery played General K'Vagh in the two-part episode that tried to explain why the Klingons of the TOS era had smooth foreheads, but never played a Xindi.

As for the rest, I didn't like the whole Xindi/Temporal Cold War story arc and tended to sort of zone out during those episodes, so I have no idea why the Xindi blamed humans or when the Xindi home world was allegedly destroyed.

huh..

I knew he played a klingon, but sometimes i know they reuse alien actors.

If it's not him from that episode where they find the refinement factory early in season 3..
They have REMARKABLY similar voices. they really need to hire him to do classic Shredder

 

[AJTaliesen]

I think time travel, in Trek, is best done in well-contained doses. Like the occasional episode or even a movie.

Gets messy when you have to start spreading it out over a whole season, hours and hours of episodes. Increases the chances of messing up the continuity of the story.

It gets VERY messy.


It was OK in Save the Whales and when DS9 dropped in on the tribbles episode, but those were both comedic departures. The Tribbles especially was like they all took a break from DS9 to just make a self contained fun show.

BTW, if you haven't seen it, its a really great episode. They don't change anything or mess with anything, they just take an hour to have a little fun with the cast.



On the other hand...Romulans coming back to destroy Vulcan in the past...that's just a problem from every direction. The destruction of Vulcan in the past changes the future and also warns the Romulans so they will see it coming next time and wont be destroyed so no reason to go back so it never happened...so it's an alternate reality and they DIDN'T go back in time, just to another dimension and "real" reality is still there ....and...and...and...

Just a mess.


As for Enterprise...that's what drove me away from the show. I found that plot tiresome and when faced with the prospect of having the entire season be about it and possibly any future seasons as well, I decided to just move on. Still haven't seen the last season yet.



also, the more you have time travel as part of a show, the more is becomes strange that it isn't happening more often. If anyone with a warp ship can have a second chance at everything that ever happens, then a whole lot more people will use that option. Not everyone in the Galaxy is going to be like Picard and waffle about whether or not to save their dead friends. The Ferengi especially will be going back and forth every other day just to find out tomorrows stocks prices.

 

[MrSouthpaw]

BTW, if you haven't seen it, its a really great episode. They don't change anything or mess with anything, they just take an hour to have a little fun with the cast.

I've seen every episode of every series, save for ENT. I just can't seem to get into it enough to watch from start to finish.

 

[Zombie_61]

...As for Enterprise...that's what drove me away from the show. I found that plot tiresome and when faced with the prospect of having the entire season be about it and possibly any future seasons as well, I decided to just move on. Still haven't seen the last season yet...

I watched Enterprise when it was first broadcast and had the same problem, but chose to stick with it. Watching it again in recent months, I was surprised by how little time the Xindi and Temporal Cold War story arcs actually took up. In my mind they had both being dragged out through the entire seasons, but that wasn't the case.

As for the last season, to me it's equal parts good and bad. They tried to make the show more interesting to the older Trek fans by "borrowing" from the Original Series here and there, but I found those to be the least interesting episodes. And, as has been stated before, the final episode was one of the worst in the history of television. Unless you develop a strong desire to watch the last season, I'd say leave well enough alone 'cause you're not missing much.

 

[KrangPrime]

I watched Enterprise when it was first broadcast and had the same problem, but chose to stick with it. Watching it again in recent months, I was surprised by how little time the Xindi and Temporal Cold War story arcs actually took up. In my mind they had both being dragged out through the entire seasons, but that wasn't the case.

As for the last season, to me it's equal parts good and bad. They tried to make the show more interesting to the older Trek fans by "borrowing" from the Original Series here and there, but I found those to be the least interesting episodes. And, as has been stated before, the final episode was one of the worst in the history of television. Unless you develop a strong desire to watch the last season, I'd say leave well enough alone 'cause you're not missing much.

I still say it wouldn't have been so bad if they had added an extra scene at the end. We travel back to earth after the last shot of the Enterprise, and we let archer finish his big speech.
I kind of feel like, since Braga wrote it after either being pushed off the show, or feeling like it was time to quit, he kind of subconsciously did it as a big F U to the franchise he just left.


that's what it feels like to me at either rate.

The last voyager episode kind of felt the same way. seeing them home in the alternate time line isn't the same as seeing the 'real' crew home in the current timeline. I got a big grin in nemesis seeing Admiral janeway's cameo, and I wanted to know more of what happened after she got back. it felt like a bit screw up.

they should have done that at the start of the season..and then had the rest on earth.

 

[KrangPrime]

It gets VERY messy.



also, the more you have time travel as part of a show, the more is becomes strange that it isn't happening more often. If anyone with a warp ship can have a second chance at everything that ever happens, then a whole lot more people will use that option. Not everyone in the Galaxy is going to be like Picard and waffle about whether or not to save their dead friends. The Ferengi especially will be going back and forth every other day just to find out tomorrows stocks prices.

also,

what happened to the time crew Seven was apart of for one episode? the one that fixes problems caused in the time line?
I forget if they are before, or after the time of Daniels and his crew.


Have the two around would seem to fly in the face of each other. daniels kind of freely gives info out to help people keep things on track, the other crew goes back in time to prevent problems from happening, with very little side effects..

to me, it seems like they contradict each other a little

 

[astroboy]

You know what had an amazing "alternate time" final episode? Sg1. They hit all of the right emotional beats for those characters and it was such a fitting way of saying goodbye

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

 

[The Terminator]

also,

what happened to the time crew Seven was apart of for one episode? the one that fixes problems caused in the time line?
I forget if they are before, or after the time of Daniels and his crew.


Have the two around would seem to fly in the face of each other. daniels kind of freely gives info out to help people keep things on track, the other crew goes back in time to prevent problems from happening, with very little side effects..

to me, it seems like they contradict each other a little

Braxton: 29th Century
Daniels: 31st Century

 

[KrangPrime]

Braxton: 29th Century
Daniels: 31st Century

hmm...


maybe they evolved their practices in a few hundred years and got a little looser?

 

[The Terminator]

hmm...


maybe they evolved their practices in a few hundred years and got a little looser?

Or different writers?

I bet you didn't know "Daniels" father(IRL) is the legendary Stan Winston

 

[KrangPrime]

true, but sometimes they pay attention to those details ;o).

maybe they figured not enough people cared about voyager to remember ;o).



Watching the episode where tpol and archer travel back to 2004. watch the scene wherearcher is talking about taking out the bio weapon. there are what appear to be two scrunched legs on frame to his right, and one moves. either they didn't catch it, or thought someone would think it was archers feet.

 

[Angelus Lupus]

The worst glaring error is in the episode with the Orion Slave-girls: camera follows the girls right past the end of the set wall. Like... everyone is so distracted by green women in ragged clothes that nobody noticed that?
I know I've seen a youtube clip showing the error, but danged if I can find it now.

 

[Zombie_61]

I still say it wouldn't have been so bad if they had added an extra scene at the end. We travel back to earth after the last shot of the Enterprise, and we let archer finish his big speech.
I kind of feel like, since Braga wrote it after either being pushed off the show, or feeling like it was time to quit, he kind of subconsciously did it as a big F U to the franchise he just left...

Even if they had added Archer's speech at the end, the main problem is that Riker is the main character throughout the episode, which effectively turns it into a Next Generation episode. And in doing so, they robbed the Enterprise cast of their own final episode by making them secondary characters. It was a bad idea, and disrespectful to the cast members regardless of the fact that the series wasn't particularly well-received among Trek fans.

 

[KrangPrime]

Even if they had added Archer's speech at the end, the main problem is that Riker is the main character throughout the episode, which effectively turns it into a Next Generation episode. And in doing so, they robbed the Enterprise cast of their own final episode by making them secondary characters. It was a bad idea, and disrespectful to the cast members regardless of the fact that the series wasn't particularly well-received among Trek fans.

not saying i disagree with that at all ;o)...

But i think it would have helped ease the pain at least a little..

 

[astroboy]

Despite all of the problems with the finale, I got pretty choked up hearing Picard, kirk and archer end off the series.



Part of that was due to the fact that they didn't show the exterior of the nx01 until the final shot
Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk

 

[DavidS]

Why did they never add the "Refit" NX01?
Budget?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[astroboy]

Why did they never add the "Refit" NX01?
Budget?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't like the refit at all. It looks too derivative of TOS. I actually buy the nx-01 as a precursor to the 1701

Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk

 

[Zombie_61]

Why did they never add the "Refit" NX01?
Budget?

I could be wrong, but as I understand it Mr. Drexler came up with the design fairly late in the show's run. Rumor has it they were going to use it if the show had been granted a fifth season, but we all know how that went. I'm one of the few who like the NX-01 Enterprise as-is, but would like to have seen the NX-01 Refit in at least a cameo in the final episode.

 

[AJK001]

I could be wrong, but as I understand it Mr. Drexler came up with the design fairly late in the show's run. Rumor has it they were going to use it if the show had been granted a fifth season, but we all know how that went. I'm one of the few who like the NX-01 Enterprise as-is, but would like to have seen the NX-01 Refit in at least a cameo in the final episode.

Even though I appear to be one of the few people that liked the final episode I too would have like to see the NX-01 Refit in at least a cameo in the episode.