SS TIE Fighter Questions

[imaginager]

I'm hoping to get a little history from folks who have information or have seen original TIEs. Jason? Steve? Jamie? Anyone...

Anyway, I have a few questions:

1. As I'm working Steve's kit, I can't help but wonder if the Laser Cannon stalks are found drill bit chucks? I suppose they could have used styrene tube and sheet to get the same effect, but they just look so much like chucks.......

2. Many of the pics I have of the filming models show an upper cockpit piece. From shot of the top hatch, it appears that this piece obscures the cockpit interior. Anyone have any more information on what it is? Was it in all the models?

3. Again, lots of pics show threaded rods inside the cockpit. Who knows what mounts were typical?

4. Did all filming models (except pyros) have pilot figures? Were all pilot figures the Harrier pilot from the 1/24 Airfix kit? It appears that the pilots weren't detailed, really just painted a dark grey color....?

I'd like to get my build as close to an actual studio model as possible. I hope to have a plaque made that details a bit of the history, how many models were made, etc.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Allan

 

[swpropmaker]

The lasers are not drill bit stalks. I have a bag of about 300 individuals items used as the gun shroud. I can tell you this... the center is a LED turned down and sits inside the shroud. The shroud sits on a piece of brass rod. I can send you two of the shrouds if you want but I am not at liberty to disclose what they are.

The threaded holes that you see are the mounting points. There are four... one on the top, one on the bottom and one front and one rear. Its a threaded square. The side ones contain the wing supports.
Steve

 

[imaginager]

Please, yes. Send the shrouds..

Okay, since Steve has said he can't disclose anything more... (And a Big Thanks for what you did disclose)

How about the pilots? All one color? Same as the cockpit interior? How about the upper cockpit section...? How much detailing was actually done on the cockpit interiors? I would guess there was a pilot, possibly a seat, the upper "roof" and the window insert.

I will add that the point of this research is to get Steve's already nice kit a little closer to cannon. I'm not fixing Steve's parts. Cast resin parts are fine, but when you could use real parts...it just adds a little something extra to the finished model. Kinda like using the real heatsinks on the SS X-Wing. Anytime I can hang a real part on a kit, I'll do it. Regardless of how nice the kit part is.

Allan

 

[GKvfx]

The source kit for the pilot was indeed the Harrier pilot. Was also used in the X-Wing and the Viper from GALACTICA. It was slightly modified in that the face was covered up with a bit of putty to look like some kind of blast shield. The same modification was done for the X-Wing. I believe the figure was painted just a solid flat black. The mounting point was right behind him, so I think they were just sticking something in there to disguise that. Also, that same figure was Vader in his ship as well - nothing custom for that.

GK

 

[Krachenvogel]

It is my understanding that most of the standard TIEs did not have pilot figures, or any cockpit detailing beyond the 'dashboard' for that matter. I seem to remember at least one photo of a standard TIE with the Harrier pilot in the cockpit, though, just painted overall black or dark grey. That's what the Vader TIE has.

 

[moffeaton]

I echo what everyone else said - I got to play with the Vader TIE and a blue-grey ESB TIE (was the one I referenced repainted from ANH? it was a hero). Very sparse cockpit, mounting block plainly visible, etc. Vader's TIE is so incredibly cool with such a timeless design, and I can't wait for MR to make it. It was announced on Rebelscum yesterday. Finally.

Allan - PM me your email.

 

[imaginager]

Moff - PM'd ya. If not, I'm:

imaginager@comcast.net

 

[DARKSIDE72]

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Vader's TIE is so incredibly cool with such a timeless design, and I can't wait for MR to make it. It was announced on Rebelscum yesterday. Finally.
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Not sure that will be a great idea as I doubt it will be accurate. I guess I shoud ask who's the builder?


Anyway the ties have some interesting cockpit details.

Note the "blue" highlighted detail, this is also used on the ANH gold Y-wing's back.

I don't think I've seen any reference of the harrier pilot in the standard tie's. Just Vader's.

 

[ralphee]

I see the Y part, is that a LEM there in yellow cut up? Dang Jamie you get all the cool pics

lee

 

[imaginager]

Thanks for the pics. There is a shot of the bastardized TIE in Chronicles - the cross between the ESB and RoTJ version (Interceptor body with standard wings?) - that appears to have a Harrier pilot inside.

 

[Krachenvogel]

Darkside72, those are shots of the Interceptor cockpit, right? The panel painting and cannons look like those on the TIE Int. Or is it the 'bastardized' fighter?

http://www.forbiddenplastic.com/ref_star_w...ie_fighter.html
(Not my photos)

 

[DARKSIDE72]

They are of a standard Tie, from one of the exhibits. Yea that's it in your link.

Bastardized? Why is that?









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Darkside72, those are shots of the Interceptor cockpit, right? The panel painting and cannons look like those on the TIE Int. Or is it the 'bastardized' fighter?

http://www.forbiddenplastic.com/ref_star_w...ie_fighter.html
(Not my photos)
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[swpropmaker]

The TIE hull pictured has all the ear marks of an interceptor Hull. The location of the grey front markings are only seen on the interceptor as well has the LED less main guns, interceptor. I think they put standard TIE wings on an inteceptor body...maybe damaged some how.. and fixed for the exhibit.

Steve

Steve

 

[imaginager]

Okay, who has a line on the threaded squares Steve mentioned.......?

Google's comin' up empty for me.

 

[jvasilatos]

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<div class='quotetop'>(moffeaton @ Oct 6 2006, 10:31 PM) [snapback]1333519[/snapback]

Vader's TIE is so incredibly cool with such a timeless design, and I can't wait for MR to make it. It was announced on Rebelscum yesterday. Finally.
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Not sure that will be a great idea as I doubt it will be accurate. I guess I shoud ask who's the builder? [/b][/quote]

Why wouldn't an MR Vader X-1 be accurate since they were accurate with the Falcon and Y-Wing?

JV

 

[DARKSIDE72]

Yea forgot about this one.

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Thanks for the pics. There is a shot of the bastardized TIE in Chronicles - the cross between the ESB and RoTJ version (Interceptor body with standard wings?) - that appears to have a Harrier pilot inside.
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I'd imagine they were custom machined.




<div class='quotetop'>(imaginager @ Oct 8 2006, 09:44 AM) [snapback]1334178[/snapback]</div>

Okay, who has a line on the threaded squares Steve mentioned.......?

Google's comin' up empty for me.
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[DARKSIDE72]

Well the Falcon and Y have a few problems in my opinion, idealized problems.

What I'm saying about a Vader's TIE is there is only one person here who should lead the project for the
model. I don't think anyone else could get it right. We know MR won't get dirrect access to the ILM model for casting...

Which is why I ask who's the builder?










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<div class='quotetop'>(moffeaton @ Oct 6 2006, 10:31 PM) [snapback]1333519[/snapback]

Vader's TIE is so incredibly cool with such a timeless design, and I can't wait for MR to make it. It was announced on Rebelscum yesterday. Finally.
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Not sure that will be a great idea as I doubt it will be accurate. I guess I shoud ask who's the builder? [/b][/quote]

Why wouldn't an MR Vader X-1 be accurate since they were accurate with the Falcon and Y-Wing?

JV
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[DARKSIDE72]

Still not sure what you mean Steve. :wacko (my, I'm stupid face) I'd always thought that the Standard Tie's from ANH were converted paint wise for ESB, and then again converted for the ROTJ interceptor. Which is why we see the same ANH part configurations on all the models. Couldn't the LEDs have simply been removed at some point as the sockets are still there...?


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The TIE hull pictured has all the ear marks of an interceptor Hull. The location of the grey front markings are only seen on the interceptor as well has the LED less main guns, interceptor. I think they put standard TIE wings on an inteceptor body...maybe damaged some how.. and fixed for the exhibit.

Steve

Steve
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[swpropmaker]

Sure it could but look it even has a Black cockpit frame to match the interceptor. It just reeks of Interceptor not standard TIE. Thats all just comparing all the different pics. Anything is possible.

Steve

 

[DARKSIDE72]

Ok "black" cockpit... to me it seems they all have the black (very dark color anyway) cockpit, it just doesn't look black under every lighting condition. Maybe the old fool the eye paint schemes we deal with on many of the models?

<div class='quotetop'>(swpropmaker @ Oct 8 2006, 11:32 AM) [snapback]1334232[/snapback]</div>

Sure it could but look it even has a Black cockpit frame to match the interceptor. It just reeks of Interceptor not standard TIE. Thats all just comparing all the different pics. Anything is possible.

Steve
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