Spider-Man 4 dropped, franchise being rebooted

[GINO]

I realize, just like Sups is his own animal etc..
I'm referring to the realistic approach.
No wise cracks.
Nothing takes me out of a movie faster than a totally unbelievable wise crack inserted at the most absurd moments.

The 'unrealistic' stuff in comic books to not translate into a realistic medium like film and should be discarded.


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[darthgordon]

Yes... the new one should be much darker. Parker should be a teenager full of angst who cuts himself... that is until he comes across a radioactive spider. He should not build his own web slingers... because that's unrealistic. He should in fact get them from Ozcorp. We should start with the black costume right away. It should be all rubber, armor and robotic looking. Mary Jane should barely be in the movie because his first love was Gwen Stacey. He should accidently kill her when she gets blown off a bridge... thus making him even darker. He should kill little animals by wrapping them in webs and drinking thier blood.

And don't forget the villain should be the best and most realistic Spiderman villain ever- Kraven the Hunder.

 

[GINO]

Realistic doesn't have to be dark.
And I'm not talking about absolute realism, but realism within reason.
And yes, it's ridiculous that Peter would be able to build web shooters, or that web shooter technology would even exist.
Much better that it be part of his physiology.

I like the idea of his costume looking VERY, very home made.
If it doesn't look like something that he could create/sew himself, then yes it's sort of riduculous.

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[blownhemi]

It's a guy that got bit by a radioactive spider and who can now climb walls and has super strength. It's all ridiculous.

The wise cracking is a large part of who Spider-Man is. Think about it: He was a runt in school that got picked on. His mouth was a defense mechanism. That's actually a hell of a lot more realistic than what he is and what he can do.

 

[cayman shen]

Spiderman Vs Predator...

Have you ever read the original Batman vs Predator comic? It's amazing. I'd give both nuts to see it as a movie. And I'd give at least lefty to see Spiderman vs Predator!

 

[great1]

I am really going to miss J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson.

 

[GINO]

It's a guy that got bit by a radioactive spider and who can now climb walls and has super strength. It's all ridiculous.

The wise cracking is a large part of who Spider-Man is. Think about it: He was a runt in school that got picked on. His mouth was a defense mechanism. That's actually a hell of a lot more realistic than what he is and what he can do.

Yes, you have a set of ridiculous circumstances that you HAVE to suspend disbelief for, but that's all. Then make everything else as realistic as possible.
Think of it like this. I want to see a movie that makes me ponder, what would life really be like if there really was a spiderman?
That's what Christopher Nolan's batman movies did for me.

It's not just wise cracking, it's WHEN the wise cracking occurs.
It is unbelievable for someone for example to be hanging from a cliff with one hand, and then say something douchy like 'I should have stayed in bed this morning'. That for me is a wtf? moment.
It has to be believable.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I liked the Parker in the comics who was a complete dweeb and couldn't talk to girls and got picked on and how he was vindicated when jumping around as Spider-Man, doing all these tricks and saving the day... and then going back to being bullied as Parker for being a dweeb and not cool as Spider-Man, who is his tormentors' new hero. Oh the irony. And the wisecracking - is actually explained well in the comics why he's doing it... he does it to sort of distance himself from the violent and ****ed up things he gets subjected to as Spider-Man... to distance himself from danger and the reality of it.

The fact that he can scientifically create the web is because he got bitten by the spider... he got the knowledge intuitively. The mechanical aspects of the webshooters is a bit more complex to be believable, but would still be less icky than biological web shooting out of his wrists... 'cause... if you think about it... going for the biological concept... then why the heck didn't he shoot webs out of his ass, like a regular spider, then?

 

[GINO]

I liked the Parker in the comics who was a complete dweeb and couldn't talk to girls and got picked on and how he was vindicated when jumping around as Spider-Man, doing all these tricks and saving the day... and then going back to being bullied as Parker for being a dweeb and not cool as Spider-Man, who is his tormentors' new hero. Oh the irony. And the wisecracking - is actually explained well in the comics why he's doing it... he does it to sort of distance himself from the violent and ****ed up things he gets subjected to as Spider-Man... to distance himself from danger and the reality of it.

Exactly. All good stuff.
I just think there is a proper time and place for the wisecracking.
No 'hasta la vista, baby' crap.

The fact that he can scientifically create the web is because he got bitten by the spider... he got the knowledge intuitively. The mechanical aspects of the webshooters is a bit more complex to be believable, but would still be less icky than biological web shooting out of his wrists... 'cause... if you think about it... going for the biological concept... then why the heck didn't he shoot webs out of his ass, like a regular spider, then?

:lol
That would be a hilarious comedy skit.
But to me biological webbing (regardless of which appendage it shoots from ) is more realistic than some high school student developing some super advanced technology.


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[CTF]

It's a guy that got bit by a radioactive spider and who can now climb walls and has super strength. It's all ridiculous.

One word:

Verisimilitude.

 

[GINO]

Right on CTF!

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[GrenadeKing]

Oh oh oh oh, how about they cast a teenager to play a teenager?

Did I go too far with that one? :confused


I really hate that in movies. If the character is supposed to be 15/16/17 and they cast some 25 year old it just throws the whole thing off for me. I see kids to this day that are 18/19 and look like they just graduated middle school, you can't tell me it'd be hard to find somebody that looks the part. :lol

 

[cayman shen]

I think the wisecracks are a big part of PP's character (I love the Ultimate line--read em all), but there are wisecracks and there are wisecracks. I think he could have been more smart alecky in the film. He was a dweeb, but without the over-compensation for his insecurities that made PP a mouth.

I think the biggest failing of SM 1-3 is Raimi. I think the guy's talented and has a lot of strengths, but conventional comic films ain't one of them. The image was bright, oversaturated, cartoony--kinda like the Hulk, actually. Remember, what works on paper doesn't always work on film. Your movie is an ADAPTATION, not a 1 to 1, panel by panel remake. They tried that on Sin City and 300, and I thought those films were awful. I felt the approach worked much better in Watchmen. In fact, setting Spidey in a world that felt a little more 1940s would be pretty great. Kinda how Burton made Gotham a unique character, make New York a fictionalized, old world feeling New York. Might class up what's been a pretty goofy franchise with a little frickin style. If you want it to look comicy, dull the colors so it looks like the old, four color newsprint.

Oh, and less CG swinging. Looks awful, every time.

 

[darthgordon]

Ummm... why would you make Spidey look like the 1940's when those comic books didn't even hit the stands until the 60's?

 

[mandosoldier]

Yes, you have a set of ridiculous circumstances that you HAVE to suspend disbelief for, but that's all. Then make everything else as realistic as possible.
Think of it like this. I want to see a movie that makes me ponder, what would life really be like if there really was a spiderman?
That's what Christopher Nolan's batman movies did for me.

It's not just wise cracking, it's WHEN the wise cracking occurs.
It is unbelievable for someone for example to be hanging from a cliff with one hand, and then say something douchy like 'I should have stayed in bed this morning'. That for me is a wtf? moment.
It has to be believable.

How exactly was Nolans Batman realistic? He drove what was essentially a tank across rooftops, somehow without falling through them, Jumped out of a skyscraper landed on a car and got back up again, somehow found the exact frequency that bats communicate at and found figured out how to saw come and swarm everyone where I am, and let's not forget the bat bike with rotating axles.

Peter was a genius, they have guns right now that spray liquid web, so a genius level college student with a major in chemistry figuring how to make a wrist launching webs in unrealistic? Spider-Man in no way should resemble batman, I'm tiired of everyone insisting that the heroes have to be dark because it's more real, that thinking ruined Superman Returns. As a victim of bullying it's highly likely that he would have developed not only a sense of humor, but a sharp sarcastic wit as well, and add being a teenager on top of that and you get classic spider-man. It's funny to insist in the instance of Spider-man that him making sarcastic remarks in douchey, but everyone raves over the dark knight, where a villain called the JOKER only made a single joke, filling the rest of his dialogue with "Wanna know how I got these scars?" and "Why so serious?" Nolan murdered the Joker character, yet everyone clamoring to give ledger a post mortem oscar for it.

Until Spider-Man 3, I think they was pretty much on track with the spider-man series, some changes but nothing that ruined everything. I'd REALLY like to not see a reboot, but if they must I'm hopeing we on't have to sit through another damned Goblin suckathon.

 

[WarpedScale]

Nolan murdered the Joker character, yet everyone clamoring to give ledger a post mortem oscar for it.

Not saying anything about your argument except that Nolan went with a Joker that more closely resembled the original Joker, a straightforward homicidal maniac, from the 1940's not the colorful version we are use to from the 1970's. So to say he 'murdered' the character would be incorrect from a certain point of view, he actually took him back to his roots IMHO.

 

[clancampbell]

Yes... the new one should be much darker. Parker should be a teenager full of angst who cuts himself... that is until he comes across a radioactive spider. He should not build his own web slingers... because that's unrealistic. He should in fact get them from Ozcorp. We should start with the black costume right away. It should be all rubber, armor and robotic looking. Mary Jane should barely be in the movie because his first love was Gwen Stacey. He should accidently kill her when she gets blown off a bridge... thus making him even darker. He should kill little animals by wrapping them in webs and drinking thier blood.

And don't forget the villain should be the best and most realistic Spiderman villain ever- Kraven the Hunder.

lol:lol ....LOL!!! Yeah, Kraven played by Christopher Walken!

Rich

 

[Jet Beetle]

Not saying anything about your argument except that Nolan went with a Joker that more closely resembled the original Joker, a straightforward homicidal maniac, from the 1940's not the colorful version we are use to from the 1970's. So to say he 'murdered' the character would be incorrect from a certain point of view, he actually took him back to his roots IMHO.

I don't know, dude. Ledger's performance was good - but it wasn't the Joker at ALL.

 

[WarpedScale]

I don't know, dude. Ledger's performance was good - but it wasn't the Joker at ALL.

You don't think so? I'm speaking more in his action than his looks. He definitely did not have that 'Laughing Man" look from back in the 40's but I thought he was more like the old Joker action-wise... then again I haven't read a Batman comic in a really long time so I can only speak from old memory. >.<

I guess it's a good time to go back and check out some of the older stuff again now that some of them have been published for free online.

 

[mandosoldier]

To me the perfect Joker was done in Arkham Asylum, extremely homicidal, but had a great morbid sense of humor. It gave the Joker the perfect appearance as well, he LOOKED dangerous. I just get annoyed whenever some Ledger fanboy/girl insists that he was the best Joker ever despite only telling a single joke, that'd be like having the next one feature The Riddler where he only tells a single knock knock joke.